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Title: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

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I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Godsmonkey on September 15, 2021, 12:26:49 PM
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership. "

Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 12:44:47 PM
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership. "

Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?

  Yeah no shit.  No weak men there might be no woke period.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RebelSky on September 15, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

Threadreader tale here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1437545371245424640.html
Archive here: https://archive.is/ty2dF

I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!

Maybe this is why WotC hired her.

Even though both WotC and Paizo are both woke doesn't mean they like each other. I think they despise each other.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 15, 2021, 12:53:40 PM
What I find interesting is it actually helps confirm a suspicon I have long had specifically with this line

"So back in the day, Wes and I came up with a developer test that allowed us to evaluate applicants anonymously to help counteract bias.
That was how we ended up hiring Amanda, Crystal, and Linda, btw. They blew the test out of the water, unlike a lot of experienced industry guys we probably would have assumed would have been better at it if we hadn't anonymized. " then goes on a spiel on how they stopped using it well considering I'm pretty sure all those people were her mates and they all ended up being fired/quitting I'm not suprised they stopped using it

(Also confirms to me she was responcable for the big shift in tone for things at Paizo which is no suprise since she was bringing her buddies in.)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 15, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

Threadreader tale here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1437545371245424640.html
Archive here: https://archive.is/ty2dF

I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!

Well that was fun, but also it provides an example of one of the reasons that Get Woke Go Broke is mostly true: They eat their own.

To my cinical eyes this reads as a power grab by the woke, like those taking place in some video game companies at the moment.

But hey, they made their bed now they have to sleep in it.

Also Yes All Male Feminists.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jaeger on September 15, 2021, 12:58:12 PM
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership. "

Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?

She is right about that - stopped clock and all...

Of course with stronger leadership she would have been be long gone from the industry years ago...

Now what is really interesting is that last quarter on the icv2.com list of the 5 top selling rpg's baizuo was beat from their perennial number two spot by R.Talsorian's CyberPunk...

Might be just due to a sales blip, but with people on various forums openly saying that they are canceling all their Baizuo orders, things might get very interesting for them as a company...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 01:02:33 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

Threadreader tale here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1437545371245424640.html
Archive here: https://archive.is/ty2dF

I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!

  So...reading through most of that, it seems to me, if I had a job where I had people who made me as mad as all those folks seemed to make her...fucking quit and go somewhere else or do something else.   I guess I do not understand people all that well.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 01:04:13 PM
Let's not forget this is the same lackwit that got turfed off ArenaNet for picking a fight with Deroir, a major fan contributor/streamer for Guild Wars 2.

(A tale of idiocy, eternally retold, here: https://medium.com/@ColedOne/jessica-price-is-not-a-martyr-for-workers-rights-cd43ee8ffe43 )

The link includes screencaps of Deroir's remarks on Twitter, which were (in my opinion) perfectly respectful and constructive. We've got a few devs here: how would you have reacted?

'Cause we all saw how Miz Price reacted. Flipped her fucking lid and went off on the guy.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 15, 2021, 01:04:45 PM
Also to add to my previous point I'm like 99% posotive that all the people she hired were the ones involved in that thing involving frog god games owner (Who's name escapes me at the moment.) A while back.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
Wow reading more of her posts....holy shit, if she is a developer for RPGs that explains A LOT.  I read a few of them and I have to say WTF is wrong with people.  Her thresholds for white supremacy, being a -phobe, etc are really very, very small.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 01:22:21 PM
Let's not forget this is the same lackwit that got turfed off ArenaNet for picking a fight with Deroir, a major fan contributor/streamer for Guild Wars 2.

(A tale of idiocy, eternally retold, here: https://medium.com/@ColedOne/jessica-price-is-not-a-martyr-for-workers-rights-cd43ee8ffe43 )

The link includes screencaps of Deroir's remarks on Twitter, which were (in my opinion) perfectly respectful and constructive. We've got a few devs here: how would you have reacted?

'Cause we all saw how Miz Price reacted. Flipped her fucking lid and went off on the guy.

  Wow, I thought my opinion could not go lower.   
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Banjo Destructo on September 15, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
Hmm, Lisa always seemed like a strange egg to me, never could pin her down.  Seeing some of these stories about her are kinda putting some things together.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 15, 2021, 01:24:34 PM
Let's not forget this is the same lackwit that got turfed off ArenaNet for picking a fight with Deroir, a major fan contributor/streamer for Guild Wars 2.

(A tale of idiocy, eternally retold, here: https://medium.com/@ColedOne/jessica-price-is-not-a-martyr-for-workers-rights-cd43ee8ffe43 )

The link includes screencaps of Deroir's remarks on Twitter, which were (in my opinion) perfectly respectful and constructive. We've got a few devs here: how would you have reacted?

'Cause we all saw how Miz Price reacted. Flipped her fucking lid and went off on the guy.

  Wow, I thought my opinion could not go lower.
Yeap.

The grave dancing when Totalbiscuit died really sealed it for me.

As far as I'm concerned, I hope Price spends the rest of her craptastic life wondering when office politics will result in her getting (metaphorically) shanked in her workplace. I hope she never feels secure in a job again.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 15, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
Also has anyone else noticed that all the former staff being held up to co-oberate Prices story are her mates and the ones she apparently hired? (Crystal frazier being the big one.)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mithgarthr on September 15, 2021, 01:38:15 PM
We've got a few devs here: how would you have reacted?

Granted, I'm super small fries, but I'm always floored when customers/reviewers give conversational feedback like this. Not only does it guide me in improving my products in a way that my customers actually want, but the fact that a customer was engaged with my product enough to even want to have a constructive discussion about it in the first place is just the best feeling, because it means that I wrote something that someone actually, really liked, and they're telling me that they want to see more things from me in the future.

She got big mad for literally zero reason, then made it even worse by doubling down on her ass-hattery by name-calling when she realized people weren't immediately taking hers and only her side in the thing.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
  Her problem, is she is a super insecure uber asshole.  When anyone questions her, her insecurity blows up into uber asshole, and she of course thinks people feel it is because she is a woman (and whatever check boxes she can pull out of her ass on command), failing to realize she is just a colossal asshat.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Melan on September 15, 2021, 03:19:22 PM
Is there a single former employer she didn't backstab? This is not only a pattern by now, it seems to be a full-blown psychosis. How is she not unemployable?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
Well.....well done WotC. Hiring such a talented and ....and .... and mentally stable person... I think.....
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: therealjcm on September 15, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
You think her current bosses at wotc/hasboro are in that 95% of game industry leadership that she despises?

Regardless, I look forward to the accusations she is certain to eventually make against wotc.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 15, 2021, 03:33:10 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

Threadreader tale here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1437545371245424640.html
Archive here: https://archive.is/ty2dF

I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!

Good. Price is a prime example of the SJW types in the industry, using their 'activism' as a shield for their lack of talent and shitty behavior. The more she poisons the well, hopefully the more her fame as a liability spreads.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 15, 2021, 03:36:11 PM
It seems like she hated almost every one at Paizo.  If that was me I probably just would have moved on to something else.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:48:03 PM
And Paizo's probably like "Schwew, glad she's at WotC. Maybe she can destroy them instead of us"
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 03:59:19 PM
So, of course, big purp has a thread as well (like there would be any doubt). But I like how social media presents one point of view as the truth and all the like minded individuals accept it. I know that's nothing new to the folks here. But we're truly not a society of innocent until proven guilty anymore, not with loud social media.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RebelSky on September 15, 2021, 04:02:50 PM
This is just another example of Idiocracy playing out. Here is a woman (to be honest I'm not sure she's human anymore) who is so hateful and insecure that she is incapable of any kind of rational capacity to be a stable, intelligent human being. The more unfortunate thing about all this is how so many SJW's believe her crap and will flock to her banner like piranhas on a feeding frenzy and now they will do whatever they can to destroy Paizo just because of her harassment and accusations.

Thus is just a hit piece. We'll see more by all her friends too.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 15, 2021, 04:50:31 PM
The cannibals are hungry and there are no targets of convenience. Fortunately amongst the cannibals there is always *someone* to put to the purity test in order to put some meat on the table.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 05:06:22 PM
The cannibals are hungry and there are no targets of convenience. Fortunately amongst the cannibals there is always *someone* to put to the purity test in order to put some meat on the table.

Holy moly, you're right. They're just like "ORCS" from LotR. Looks like meats back on the menu boys. So now when we say Orcs we're talking about sjdubs
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 15, 2021, 05:21:38 PM
The best thing to come from this was seeing a transwoman explaining about "mansplaining"

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RebelSky on September 15, 2021, 05:40:06 PM
The best thing to come from this was seeing a transwoman explaining about "mansplaining"

So transplaining is a thing now???
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 15, 2021, 07:04:53 PM
Regardless, I look forward to the accusations she is certain to eventually make against wotc.

It seems 100% certain.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: David Johansen on September 15, 2021, 07:23:33 PM
Wouldn't it be transwomansplaining?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RebelSky on September 15, 2021, 09:52:17 PM
Wouldn't it be transwomansplaining?

Nah, they wouldn't be that smart. They still think 'transphobia' is an actual word when it's not (trans is a prefix and phobia is a suffix and the word is missing its root) and something that exists which it doesn't (nobody is afraid of a transgender person).
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: DM_Curt on September 15, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
Quote
(nobody is afraid of a transgender person).
Not unless you're a biological female hoping for a sports career, or a female spa worker who doesn't want to handle balls.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 15, 2021, 11:18:32 PM
Wouldn't it be transwomansplaining?

Nah, they wouldn't be that smart. They still think 'transphobia' is an actual word when it's not (trans is a prefix and phobia is a suffix and the word is missing its root) and something that exists which it doesn't (nobody is afraid of a transgender person).

  You might want to tell female MMA fighters that.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 15, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Regardless, I look forward to the accusations she is certain to eventually make against wotc.

It seems 100% certain.

I can't wait. ::gleeful anticipation::
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekEclectic on September 16, 2021, 01:50:28 AM
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership. "

Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?
I read this thread, and just had to say . . . I think I love you.

But only platonically. Don't get your hopes up. I'd only break your heart.

But in all seriousness, I think you're spot on. A lot of us were thinking it, but you said it. Oh, that was clever. You're my new sig, you know. Sort of. I think you'll get it.  ;)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 16, 2021, 02:51:17 AM
I can't wait. ::gleeful anticipation::

I get the impression that Woke people such as Jeremy Crawford seem programmed to believe whatever Price says, and always think she'll go after someone else - the bad people, not them.

My first experience of Jessica Price was on the Paiso message boards from around 2012. I had no idea who this person was, but I saw her completely wreck the boards, turning them from the laid back 'fun and happy place' that Momma Bear Lisa Stevens wanted, to something more resembling RPGNet. I had to stop posting there. It was quite chilling how one bad apple staff member could ruin a substantial community like that. She has been an engine of destruction ever since, ruining whatever she touches.
 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 07:15:13 AM
I can't wait. ::gleeful anticipation::

I get the impression that Woke people such as Jeremy Crawford seem programmed to believe whatever Price says, and always think she'll go after someone else - the bad people, not them.

My first experience of Jessica Price was on the Paiso message boards from around 2012. I had no idea who this person was, but I saw her completely wreck the boards, turning them from the laid back 'fun and happy place' that Momma Bear Lisa Stevens wanted, to something more resembling RPGNet. I had to stop posting there. It was quite chilling how one bad apple staff member could ruin a substantial community like that. She has been an engine of destruction ever since, ruining whatever she touches.

  She seems to be "that person" who has been screwed over or surrounded by "idiots" and "istaphobes" where ever she goes.   I notice with people like that and all their stories there is one consistent thing they seem to miss in all their stories about wrong doings and dealing with "evil doers", and it is they are in every story....  I feel like a person who works on developing a game should probably be a person who I only know their name if I go looking for it in the book cover, and then the only reason I do that is because of how impressed I am with the game.   I should NOT know who they are because they have 1111110000 stories about their trials and tribulations of day to day life.   If she wants to be a professional blogger/internet personality I think that is fine, but working for a major corporation and having some of those stories?  Holy shit, management at some of these places has got to be fucktarded to keep hiring this nut.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Banjo Destructo on September 16, 2021, 09:09:31 AM
I just wanted to say, not that all women are moms, but I always thought the female version of mansplaining was momsplaining, because its the kind of thing my mom would do.   I never really thought it was a "man only" thing.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: moonsweeper on September 16, 2021, 09:58:26 AM
I can't wait. ::gleeful anticipation::

I get the impression that Woke people such as Jeremy Crawford seem programmed to believe whatever Price says, and always think she'll go after someone else - the bad people, not them.

My first experience of Jessica Price was on the Paiso message boards from around 2012. I had no idea who this person was, but I saw her completely wreck the boards, turning them from the laid back 'fun and happy place' that Momma Bear Lisa Stevens wanted, to something more resembling RPGNet. I had to stop posting there. It was quite chilling how one bad apple staff member could ruin a substantial community like that. She has been an engine of destruction ever since, ruining whatever she touches.

Pretty much spot on.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ocule on September 16, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
There is a certain amount of schadenfreude when we see people get a taste of their own medicine.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Allvaldr on September 16, 2021, 12:22:26 PM
Reading her comments about how they constantly had to remove stuff from Mona's writing because of theosophy, madness mechanics, etc etc, I kinda wish Mona leaves Paizo and starts making somethng without woke editorial oversight... Sounds like he had some interesting ideas.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: therealjcm on September 16, 2021, 02:05:44 PM
Reading her comments about how they constantly had to remove stuff from Mona's writing because of theosophy, madness mechanics, etc etc, I kinda wish Mona leaves Paizo and starts making somethng without woke editorial oversight... Sounds like he had some interesting ideas.
He seems to be an old school designer to at least some degree. He *likes* D&D in direct contrast to many of those writing for wotc/paizo these days. He is over 40 and his interests were developed and education happened before wokeness metastasized and spread everywhere. so I agree that I'd like to see him develop something without having to get it past the commissar.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on September 16, 2021, 03:12:16 PM
Have things really become this insane?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 16, 2021, 03:20:22 PM
My first experience of Jessica Price was on the Paiso message boards from around 2012. I had no idea who this person was, but I saw her completely wreck the boards, turning them from the laid back 'fun and happy place' that Momma Bear Lisa Stevens wanted, to something more resembling RPGNet. I had to stop posting there. It was quite chilling how one bad apple staff member could ruin a substantial community like that. She has been an engine of destruction ever since, ruining whatever she touches.

This was my experience too. I was already my out the door there earlier- nothing to do with the rising SJW bullshit flooding us today, but the signs were definitely there. When she arrived on the forums, I remember thinking she was some kind of joke, but honestly the forums were already full of hotheads from the Nerdzerker Edition Wars. She was just a hydrogen bomb on the pre-existing bonfire.

I pretty much laugh at her, she clearly is a pathological narcissist frolicking in the shitstorms she helps create just to get some pathetic clout without actually producing anything useful. It's a common pattern.

Give it another decade... when she starts to hit "the Wall" and she'll stew in her own miserable life alone, with a herd of cats.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 16, 2021, 03:20:49 PM
Have things really become this insane?

Yes.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RebelSky on September 16, 2021, 04:35:03 PM
Wouldn't it be transwomansplaining?

Nah, they wouldn't be that smart. They still think 'transphobia' is an actual word when it's not (trans is a prefix and phobia is a suffix and the word is missing its root) and something that exists which it doesn't (nobody is afraid of a transgender person).

  You might want to tell female MMA fighters that.

None of that is phobia... It's women who are pissed off and have the right to be pissed off.

Don't mistake phobia for what it's not. Language does matter. A phobia is an irrational, deep seeded psychological fear of something. No person is afraid of a transgender person like that.

What they (the LGBT woke) call transphobic is really, in their limited minded capacity that stands for their intellectual thought, is really sexism. But even that has been twisted in their little minds.

I could go into an entire diatribe of the psychological and neurological possibilities of why these people are acting the way they do and part of why i look at all of this from that perspective is because a few years ago I was one of those brainwashed little minds that fell for the rhetoric and political correctness bullshit and when I fully realized that back in 2017 I have been looking at myself and my past and asking how I fell for their crap. Which is what I've been doing for the last 4 years.

Needless to say, people like Jessica Price are what I would classify as clinically sociopathic and neurologically psychopathic.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on September 16, 2021, 04:49:10 PM
Problem is, "transexuals" are not right in the head to begin with.

But it had to get here. The very same feminists who demanded to be allowed in male-only spaces are whining about "transexuals" being in their spaces- I received an Imprimus article about this, and my reply to that woman was not, shall we say, sympathetic.

The problem is also that this is forcing reality into feminist rhetoric. "Trans-women" are beating regular women in sporting events. Bruce Jenner was "Woman of the Year," which actually says that men are also better at being women than women!  :o

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 16, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Wouldn't it be transwomansplaining?

Nah, they wouldn't be that smart. They still think 'transphobia' is an actual word when it's not (trans is a prefix and phobia is a suffix and the word is missing its root) and something that exists which it doesn't (nobody is afraid of a transgender person).

  You might want to tell female MMA fighters that.

None of that is phobia... It's women who are pissed off and have the right to be pissed off.

Don't mistake phobia for what it's not. Language does matter. A phobia is an irrational, deep seeded psychological fear of something. No person is afraid of a transgender person like that.

What they (the LGBT woke) call transphobic is really, in their limited minded capacity that stands for their intellectual thought, is really sexism. But even that has been twisted in their little minds.

I could go into an entire diatribe of the psychological and neurological possibilities of why these people are acting the way they do and part of why i look at all of this from that perspective is because a few years ago I was one of those brainwashed little minds that fell for the rhetoric and political correctness bullshit and when I fully realized that back in 2017 I have been looking at myself and my past and asking how I fell for their crap. Which is what I've been doing for the last 4 years.

Needless to say, people like Jessica Price are what I would classify as clinically sociopathic and neurologically psychopathic.

  Some of them are more than pissed, they are a little scared to fight a man, they know their actual face can break from some  of those shots.  I was joking in calling it a phobia, since that is an unreasonable fear.  However, a very real fear of the very real prospect of serious harm DOES exist with female MMA fighters about trans fighers.   They are not going to talk about it online, or in public, but you can rest 100 percent assured it is a pretty serious issue for a lot of them.   No matter where they are on the political spectrum.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 16, 2021, 05:03:13 PM
Bruce Jenner was "Woman of the Year," which actually says that men are also better at being women than women!  :o

If you are making it a contest then men are pretty competitive.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 16, 2021, 05:35:16 PM
Well the fired employee (Sara Marie) made a brief statement "Former Paizo Customer Service & Community Manager, Sara Marie, was fired for unknown reasons. Sara's Twitter account is private, but she made an announcement on Twitter. No allegations of wrongdoing by Paizo were made on the thread or subsequent ones so far. She has expressed love for former coworkers and the community. Sara has since stated she is upset "decade long allies for improving industry workplace standards are getting ripped into because a clout-chaser seized on another opportunity to drag themselves into someone else’s story," but is not providing additional details about her situation or any of the allegations."
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 16, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
Its getting good now

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Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Eirikrautha on September 16, 2021, 06:13:04 PM
I just wanted to say, not that all women are moms, but I always thought the female version of mansplaining was momsplaining, because its the kind of thing my mom would do.   I never really thought it was a "man only" thing.

"Mansplaing" doesn't exist.  It's just a bunch of people "ovary-acting"...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mithgarthr on September 16, 2021, 06:31:09 PM
I just wanted to say, not that all women are moms, but I always thought the female version of mansplaining was momsplaining, because its the kind of thing my mom would do.   I never really thought it was a "man only" thing.

"Mansplaing" doesn't exist.  It's just a bunch of people "ovary-acting"...

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 16, 2021, 06:52:06 PM
Statement from accused Nazi skull fucker, Erik Mona:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf (https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf)

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Erik Mona's Statement on the Occult, Saint Germain, Etc.
Real Life

It's been quite a week. For Paizo's official statement, please go here. This isn't that.

A recent Twitter thread critical of Paizo’s management called out three elements related to my interest in historical occultism as problematic from a company culture perspective, and I’d like to take a moment to respond to them, not as a company representative, but as me, Erik.

Specifically, these criticisms involve 1) A picture of the occult figure Saint Germain I once had on the wall in my office that offended some then-co-workers; 2) A tiny picture of a swastika I once accidentally posted to my personal Facebook amid a huge dump of occult images; and 3) Some creatures I wrote for a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy and Eastern mysticism.

Because my personal values do not align with racism AT ALL, and the accusations seem to suggest that I hold racist beliefs, I want to respond to these accusations personally.

    I have long been intrigued by the mythology of the allegedly immortal Comte de Saint Germain, a jewel thief, composer, spy, and all-around 18th Century weirdo. My research on this figure revealed Saint Germain’s use by a 1930s-era cult known as the I AM Activity, which promoted Saint Germain to the rank of Ascended Master. I found what I thought was a fun portrait of the guy from that cult and put him on my wall. I do not recall ever being told by any of my co-workers that they found the image problematic. Regardless, this illustration has not been on display for several years. I regret any offense that the image may have caused anyone, and I categorically apologize that I did not anticipate that it might make some people uncomfortable.

    A few years back I acquired an occult book from the turn of the century that included page after page filled with small occult symbols. I posted images of several pages from the book to my personal Facebook. Shortly thereafter, a friend pointed out that one of the symbols was a swastika (unfortunately very common in occult books of the age, as it had not yet achieved its 20th century infamy), something I had initially overlooked. I removed the image immediately upon it being noticed. Again, I regret that I posted it at all, but this was an honest mistake that was probably online for less than an hour total.

    I wrote some monsters in a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy, which some people found objectionable. As recounted in the accusation, Paizo’s editors clipped material they thought might be problematic, which is a testament to the skill and intelligence of Paizo’s editors, as protecting our manuscripts from unconscious bias is part of their jobs, and something they do very well.

To summarize: I am not aligned with racism of any kind. I stand strongly behind the values of diversity and inclusion. Fuck Nazis. Fuck them in the eye.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 16, 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Statement from accused Nazi skull fucker, Erik Mona:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf (https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf)

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Erik Mona's Statement on the Occult, Saint Germain, Etc.
Real Life

It's been quite a week. For Paizo's official statement, please go here. This isn't that.

A recent Twitter thread critical of Paizo’s management called out three elements related to my interest in historical occultism as problematic from a company culture perspective, and I’d like to take a moment to respond to them, not as a company representative, but as me, Erik.

Specifically, these criticisms involve 1) A picture of the occult figure Saint Germain I once had on the wall in my office that offended some then-co-workers; 2) A tiny picture of a swastika I once accidentally posted to my personal Facebook amid a huge dump of occult images; and 3) Some creatures I wrote for a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy and Eastern mysticism.

Because my personal values do not align with racism AT ALL, and the accusations seem to suggest that I hold racist beliefs, I want to respond to these accusations personally.

    I have long been intrigued by the mythology of the allegedly immortal Comte de Saint Germain, a jewel thief, composer, spy, and all-around 18th Century weirdo. My research on this figure revealed Saint Germain’s use by a 1930s-era cult known as the I AM Activity, which promoted Saint Germain to the rank of Ascended Master. I found what I thought was a fun portrait of the guy from that cult and put him on my wall. I do not recall ever being told by any of my co-workers that they found the image problematic. Regardless, this illustration has not been on display for several years. I regret any offense that the image may have caused anyone, and I categorically apologize that I did not anticipate that it might make some people uncomfortable.

    A few years back I acquired an occult book from the turn of the century that included page after page filled with small occult symbols. I posted images of several pages from the book to my personal Facebook. Shortly thereafter, a friend pointed out that one of the symbols was a swastika (unfortunately very common in occult books of the age, as it had not yet achieved its 20th century infamy), something I had initially overlooked. I removed the image immediately upon it being noticed. Again, I regret that I posted it at all, but this was an honest mistake that was probably online for less than an hour total.

    I wrote some monsters in a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy, which some people found objectionable. As recounted in the accusation, Paizo’s editors clipped material they thought might be problematic, which is a testament to the skill and intelligence of Paizo’s editors, as protecting our manuscripts from unconscious bias is part of their jobs, and something they do very well.

To summarize: I am not aligned with racism of any kind. I stand strongly behind the values of diversity and inclusion. Fuck Nazis. Fuck them in the eye.

Huge error, never apologize to the woke mob.

Also this removes any interest I may have in any original not Baizuo published work by him. Because I'm not gonna give my hard earned pesos to a fucking Baizuo.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Krugus on September 16, 2021, 07:17:41 PM
Statement from accused Nazi skull fucker, Erik Mona:

Ok I almost spit my drink all over the screen on that one :)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 16, 2021, 07:40:29 PM
Statement from accused Nazi skull fucker, Erik Mona:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf (https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/pp0wxf/erik_monas_statement_on_the_occult_saint_germain/?utm_content=body&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=cde75f75b00c416bbeac03a4b90cd76b&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=pp0wxf)

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Erik Mona's Statement on the Occult, Saint Germain, Etc.
Real Life

It's been quite a week. For Paizo's official statement, please go here. This isn't that.

A recent Twitter thread critical of Paizo’s management called out three elements related to my interest in historical occultism as problematic from a company culture perspective, and I’d like to take a moment to respond to them, not as a company representative, but as me, Erik.

Specifically, these criticisms involve 1) A picture of the occult figure Saint Germain I once had on the wall in my office that offended some then-co-workers; 2) A tiny picture of a swastika I once accidentally posted to my personal Facebook amid a huge dump of occult images; and 3) Some creatures I wrote for a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy and Eastern mysticism.

Because my personal values do not align with racism AT ALL, and the accusations seem to suggest that I hold racist beliefs, I want to respond to these accusations personally.

    I have long been intrigued by the mythology of the allegedly immortal Comte de Saint Germain, a jewel thief, composer, spy, and all-around 18th Century weirdo. My research on this figure revealed Saint Germain’s use by a 1930s-era cult known as the I AM Activity, which promoted Saint Germain to the rank of Ascended Master. I found what I thought was a fun portrait of the guy from that cult and put him on my wall. I do not recall ever being told by any of my co-workers that they found the image problematic. Regardless, this illustration has not been on display for several years. I regret any offense that the image may have caused anyone, and I categorically apologize that I did not anticipate that it might make some people uncomfortable.

    A few years back I acquired an occult book from the turn of the century that included page after page filled with small occult symbols. I posted images of several pages from the book to my personal Facebook. Shortly thereafter, a friend pointed out that one of the symbols was a swastika (unfortunately very common in occult books of the age, as it had not yet achieved its 20th century infamy), something I had initially overlooked. I removed the image immediately upon it being noticed. Again, I regret that I posted it at all, but this was an honest mistake that was probably online for less than an hour total.

    I wrote some monsters in a Pathfinder Bestiary that were inspired by Theosophy, which some people found objectionable. As recounted in the accusation, Paizo’s editors clipped material they thought might be problematic, which is a testament to the skill and intelligence of Paizo’s editors, as protecting our manuscripts from unconscious bias is part of their jobs, and something they do very well.

To summarize: I am not aligned with racism of any kind. I stand strongly behind the values of diversity and inclusion. Fuck Nazis. Fuck them in the eye.

Huge error, never apologize to the woke mob.

Also this removes any interest I may have in any original not Baizuo published work by him. Because I'm not gonna give my hard earned pesos to a fucking Baizuo.

He did worse. He apologized on some topics, and tried to explain his rationale on others. This will be viewed as a "non-pology" by the woke, and groveling by the non-woke.
Lose-lose.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 16, 2021, 07:49:39 PM
Nom nom nom!

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43h04?Staff-Change-Update-from-Paizo-President-Jeff#1

Grovel, you dirtbags. You reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: moonsweeper on September 16, 2021, 10:20:08 PM
Nom nom nom!

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43h04?Staff-Change-Update-from-Paizo-President-Jeff#1

Grovel, you dirtbags. You reap what you sow.

Fuck! That thread has 840 posts and is barely 30 hours old...I'm gonna need to buy popcorn in bulk for this one.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Werekoala on September 16, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
If anyone needs me, I'll be soaking in a nice bubbly hot-tub of schadenfreude as this unfolds. Paizo and its "supporters" have been insufferable holier-than-thou SJWs almost since day one. This is a perfect example of how anyone who is trying to run a business cannot let EVEN ONE of those freaks into their company. Sure it takes time, but this is the inevitable outcome.

The tiger might eat them last - but it still eats them.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jam The MF on September 16, 2021, 10:56:06 PM
If anyone needs me, I'll be soaking in a nice bubbly hot-tub of schadenfreude as this unfolds. Paizo and its "supporters" have been insufferable holier-than-thou SJWs almost since day one. This is a perfect example of how anyone who is trying to run a business cannot let EVEN ONE of those freaks into their company. Sure it takes time, but this is the inevitable outcome.

The tiger might eat them last - but it still eats them.


But, but,.....they had good intentions!!!  Ha!!!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: DocJones on September 16, 2021, 11:40:11 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: BronzeDragon on September 17, 2021, 01:41:33 AM
Price can go fornicate the devil.

She's responsible for cancelling Frank Mentzer for the crimes of being old, unattractive and socially awkward.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 17, 2021, 02:07:16 AM
Nom nom nom!

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43h04?Staff-Change-Update-from-Paizo-President-Jeff#1

Grovel, you dirtbags. You reap what you sow.

I love how the responses below the post are 100% SJW shark pack attacks. Once you degrade and drive out the normal people, that's what you are left with.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 17, 2021, 03:12:18 AM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

Guild Wars 2. That's where I learned of her.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired

Funny, re-reading about her firing from Arena.net, the similarites that start popping up.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 17, 2021, 06:54:22 AM
Nom nom nom!

https://paizo.com/threads/rzs43h04?Staff-Change-Update-from-Paizo-President-Jeff#1

Grovel, you dirtbags. You reap what you sow.

First post out of the gate: "You should step down even if you are innocent." ::)

This reminds me of something I read back when Lindsay Ellis (*) was cancelled: if your main supporters are woke/SJWs, they will be the first ones who bury you.

(*) Whose videos I always liked, BTW.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 17, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
(*) Whose videos I always liked, BTW.

I find watching Lindsay Ellis a bit like watching a horror film. She says a bunch of smart insightful stuff, I'm nodding along contentedly, then she says something Absolutely Horrific (but SJW-compliant). She had a long video on the history of using the Nazis in humour, lots of goods points ...and wrapped it up with:

"And that's why Mel Brooks is allowed to make jokes about the Nazis, but you aren't."  :-X
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 17, 2021, 08:11:57 AM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

Guild Wars 2. That's where I learned of her.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/9/17549492/arenanet-jessica-price-guild-wars-2-writer-fired

Funny, re-reading about her firing from Arena.net, the similarites that start popping up.
Same. It never occurs to some of these idiots to say, 'Look, she's a bitch. She did it to herself.' She didn't get fired because she was a woman. She got fired because she was stupid.

Deroir's commentary wasn't offensive, derogatory, condescending, or rude. But because Price is an insecure little girl at heart, she immediately goes ballistic. And she got burned for it because Deroir wasn't just 'some rando' as far as ArenaNet was concerned.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Banjo Destructo on September 17, 2021, 09:03:49 AM

This reminds me of something I read back when Lindsay Ellis (*) was cancelled: if your main supporters are woke/SJWs, they will be the first ones who bury you.

(*) Whose videos I always liked, BTW.

Yeah, I like her in general, but her level of self-awareness in the situation she's in is very low, at least publicly in what she presents.  Fun fact, I know someone who knows Lindsay and did art for her Transformers Fanfics back in the late 90's early 00's
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 10:10:35 AM
That thread is the perfect picture of SJWs doing their Cannibalism among their own. Seriously, like every post in there is the script they operate by.

As for Jessica... she's clearly got mental issues, but so do most of these idiots. Look at them go!

I like the quote from Jeff Alvarez (apparently this was on Discord)

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Its fine folks, its a serious matter. I can't talk about it, tbh, but I support you all voicing your thoughts and concerns. If you feel the need to remove me from this community, for your safety, I respect that. I have nothing but good will and respect for all of you. And while I can only deny the things said about me, it is impossible to prove a negative. As for the other issues, they are serious and we are having a lot of serious discussion internally about them. I am using my place in the company to push for a better paizo every day and will continue to do so. Thats about all I got here... carry on.

Which reminded me of Kevin Bacon in Animal House while he's getting inducted into his fraternity. "Thank you sir may I have another?" Ugh. Spineless.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Svenhelgrim on September 17, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
Any company that hires J. Price is shooting themselves in the foot. 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 10:16:27 AM
Any company that hires J. Price is shooting themselves in the foot.

That's not the foot. That's the balls.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Godfather Punk on September 17, 2021, 10:22:59 AM
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...If you feel the need to remove me from this community, for your safety, for your fee-fee's I respect that just grow up and grow some skin.
Fixed that for ya
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
In the larger picture - I'm glad this is happening.

Paizo needs to see wallow in the shitpool they helped create. And these shitpool-monsters will soon need to realize that a "Company" is a bad choice to use as a moral compass. I particularly scoff at the many posts in there about how horrible the pay is, because they live in Seattle. As if the company is responsible for your lifestyle. (as a sidenote... if they're making south of 30k/year today? That's pretty bad considering I was making more than that freelancing  for Paizo and others "for fun" during the early 00's while working my day-job at Microsoft. This shows you what little work-ethic these morons possess).

These mentally infantile adults are in for a world of pain as reality descends upon them. I doubt their capacity to deal with it.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 17, 2021, 10:45:26 AM
I was making more than that freelancing  for Paizo and others "for fun" during the early 00's while working my day-job at Microsoft.

I know this is slightly off topic but out of intrest what freelance stuff did you do for them?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 17, 2021, 10:48:26 AM
The thing that is actually annoying me about it is all this talk about customer service managment etc and no one there seems to give a shit for the warehouse staff dunno if that seems weird but it's just something that stood out to me.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 17, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
(*) Whose videos I always liked, BTW.

I find watching Lindsay Ellis a bit like watching a horror film. She says a bunch of smart insightful stuff, I'm nodding along contentedly, then she says something Absolutely Horrific (but SJW-compliant). She had a long video on the history of using the Nazis in humour, lots of goods points ...and wrapped it up with:

"And that's why Mel Brooks is allowed to make jokes about the Nazis, but you aren't."  :-X

I didn't watch everything she did but I found her videos about Disney cartoons from the '90s very interesting - esp. the ones about The Hunchback of Notre Dame (which actually made me read "Notre Dame de Paris" by Victor Hugo) and Pocahontas.

Yeah, every then and now she skids. But, as a wise Jew said of Lovecraft:

"It’s the literary equivalent of a cringeworthy reference to “darkies” by an older relative who you otherwise love spending time with."
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 17, 2021, 11:13:04 AM

This reminds me of something I read back when Lindsay Ellis (*) was cancelled: if your main supporters are woke/SJWs, they will be the first ones who bury you.

(*) Whose videos I always liked, BTW.

Yeah, I like her in general, but her level of self-awareness in the situation she's in is very low, at least publicly in what she presents.

Maybe that's the right road. Don't engage and move on. Anything you say in these situations - from "I'm Hitler" to "I'm Jesus Returned" will be used against you.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 17, 2021, 11:19:54 AM
That thread is the perfect picture of SJWs doing their Cannibalism among their own. Seriously, like every post in there is the script they operate by.

One thing that always baffles me - but maybe it is the very symbol of "cancel thought" - is the derision of the "I have gay friends" argument.

Personally, I'm etero, pro gay-rights, and, yes, I have gay friends. What does this crowd want from me? "I don't burn gays. I first impale them." (?)

And then, of course, there is "the burden of proof is on the accused". 5,000 years of civilization thrown away just like that.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 11:29:14 AM
I was making more than that freelancing  for Paizo and others "for fun" during the early 00's while working my day-job at Microsoft.

I know this is slightly off topic but out of intrest what freelance stuff did you do for them?

I freelanced for Paizo specifically as a "Feature Writer" for Dragon. It was a handful of freelancers that they relied on to do articles on topics the editors were interested in. We were paid more than other writers because we could produce good quality on sometimes very short deadlines. We were also given much more leeway on the projects we wanted to work on, as most of us were fairly experienced and opinionated in the things we wanted to work on. I know the Paizo offices used my features to run their in-house campaign which was pretty cool. They'd talk about it in the Editors section of Dragon.

Mike Mearls was in that group - and as our names were showing up with more frequency the networking inevitably led to projects with other companies that were everywhere at the time. I had to be pretty picky as my day-job was (and remains) pretty intense. But I did some stuff for Goodman Games as did my wife. I dropped out of the scene to focus on my career and family, and then I started to dip my foot back in as a writer for the last Talislanta game, and now I'm working on my own thing I plan to release under Savage Worlds and my own system later (at least that's the goal).






Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 11:33:35 AM
That thread is the perfect picture of SJWs doing their Cannibalism among their own. Seriously, like every post in there is the script they operate by.

One thing that always baffles me - but maybe it is the very symbol of "cancel thought" - is the derision of the "I have gay friends" argument.

Personally, I'm etero, pro gay-rights, and, yes, I have gay friends. What does this crowd want from me? "I don't burn gays. I first impale them." (?)

And then, of course, there is "the burden of proof is on the accused". 5,000 years of civilization thrown away just like that.

Well that's just it, isn't it? The reason why you never apologize is because right from the start the unspoken rule that normal people aren't aware of is that the outraged SJW isn't really looking for an apology, nor do they care about the topic du jour, they care about exercising their passive-aggression on you in order to control you and silence and shame you *at all costs*.

There is zero intention of good faith. Anything you say, or do will *always* be twisted into the worst light. Which is where all the projection comes from - because *they* are the ones that are actual assholes and by their own standards the very things they say they hate. Which of course is pretty twisted.

Now it's just a deathcult.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 17, 2021, 11:36:02 AM
I freelanced for Paizo specifically as a "Feature Writer" for Dragon.

Over $30K freelancing is pretty impressive. About 16-18 years ago I somehow saw some WoTC salary numbers, I was pretty gobsmacked that Chris Perkins was apparently making under $30K! Hopefully a fair bit more now.  ??? But current Paizo staffers making under $30K is a bit less surprising in that light, even if their janitor-who-won't-clean likely makes more...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 11:51:36 AM
I freelanced for Paizo specifically as a "Feature Writer" for Dragon.

Over $30K freelancing is pretty impressive. About 16-18 years ago I somehow saw some WoTC salary numbers, I was pretty gobsmacked that Chris Perkins was apparently making under $30K! Hopefully a fair bit more now.  ??? But current Paizo staffers making under $30K is a bit less surprising in that light, even if their janitor-who-won't-clean likely makes more...

Well to be fair - I wasn't just freelancing with Paizo, but most of it was. What I meant to illustrate was that as paid full-time employees even back then you could make that much, or more, freelancing.

And to put a finer note note on that - I did that while I was working 60+ hour weeks at Microsoft with a newborn child *on the side*. Yeah it was hectic, but I'm saying that anyone complaining about "living wage" while putting out low-effort is getting exactly what they're willing to put out for.

Watching Jessica Price caper through this cottage industry and setting it on fire puts me of two minds - On one hand it's a testament to the grotesque levels of entitlement Jessica and SJW's like her with their infantile views of reality are willing to leverage in order to ruin everything they say they care for. But it also is a good thing because these companies allowed their ranks to be filled by these ideologue morons and they deserve to reap what they sow because they were too scared to stand up for themselves.

And maybe they believe in this garbage too? Clearly they say as much. They weren't like that when I was working with many of them - but that's because it wasn't as politicized. Well now it has, and Paizo and WotC have chosen their side - and I'm fine with the results. I'll enjoy the carnage from my hilltop as Nero plays something fun.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 11:51:48 AM
That thread is the perfect picture of SJWs doing their Cannibalism among their own. Seriously, like every post in there is the script they operate by.

One thing that always baffles me - but maybe it is the very symbol of "cancel thought" - is the derision of the "I have gay friends" argument.

Personally, I'm etero, pro gay-rights, and, yes, I have gay friends. What does this crowd want from me? "I don't burn gays. I first impale them." (?)

And then, of course, there is "the burden of proof is on the accused". 5,000 years of civilization thrown away just like that.

  I am hetero, NOT pro gay rights (I think everyone should just have the same rights, no gay or straight ones) and have no gay friends.  Imagine what a field day those people would have with me.  Honestly, I think they would go harder on the guy who says he has gay friends.   The fact is, once they want you, there is nothing to be said or done, beyond literally falling on a sword that will satisfy them, and even then they are likely to hope you are burning in hell.

  I should also qualify the word friend fully, that is a person that if I call them to help me bury a body they are coming over.   
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

Edit: I should add, I'm interested in the thread's temprature. I don't care if they actually boycott Paizo or not. That's on them. But reading the mental gyrations of self-justification while virtue-signaling is the rhetorical equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

It's hard to not watch. Fuck I have work to do... but...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: FingerRod on September 17, 2021, 12:14:30 PM
…equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

Dear lord. During your quiet times, admit it…you scare yourself a little. It’s okay. Be vulnerable with us.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 17, 2021, 12:15:49 PM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

Edit: I should add, I'm interested in the thread's temprature. I don't care if they actually boycott Paizo or not. That's on them. But reading the mental gyrations of self-justification while virtue-signaling is the rhetorical equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

It's hard to not watch. Fuck I have work to do... but...

Yeah like I said thats one of the things that gets me they talk about boycotting and giving cash directly to the customer service and creators but apparently the warehouse staff (You know the ones who  make sure you get your physical product and unlike the customer service and designers did not have an option to work from home during a pandemic) Are basically ignored
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 17, 2021, 12:22:08 PM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

Edit: I should add, I'm interested in the thread's temprature. I don't care if they actually boycott Paizo or not. That's on them. But reading the mental gyrations of self-justification while virtue-signaling is the rhetorical equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

It's hard to not watch. Fuck I have work to do... but...

Yeah like I said thats one of the things that gets me they talk about boycotting and giving cash directly to the customer service and creators but apparently the warehouse staff (You know the ones who  make sure you get your physical product and unlike the customer service and designers did not have an option to work from home during a pandemic) Are basically ignored

Because fuck the little guy, that's why, those little guys are probably not very "Progressive", maybe they are even against racial/sexual discrimination!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 12:28:09 PM
…equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

Dear lord. During your quiet times, admit it…you scare yourself a little. It’s okay. Be vulnerable with us.

You have no idea...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 17, 2021, 12:35:47 PM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

That thread is, literally, a "Best of".
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Armchair Gamer on September 17, 2021, 01:05:33 PM
I got tired of Paizo's approach to the game about midway through their Dragon run (too much emphasis on deep lore, far too many demons) and only ever owned three PF products. But this whole mess is reminding me why games from small or dead companies seem like the wisest way to go if you want to avoid drama and ideological purges in the hobby. :)

Also, I find it amusing that both TBP and ENWorld have had to lock down their threads on the issue.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jam The MF on September 17, 2021, 01:53:22 PM
"I am hetero, NOT pro gay rights (I think everyone should just have the same rights, no gay or straight ones) and have no gay friends."

Ditto.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Novastar on September 17, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
Good Lord, the DRAMA!

Mz. Price also seems to be remarkably well-informed of office politics, for a company she left 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 17, 2021, 02:43:34 PM
Is there a "best of" for this very based Jeff Grubb?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 17, 2021, 02:50:09 PM
Good Lord, the DRAMA!

Mz. Price also seems to be remarkably well-informed of office politics, for a company she left 4 years ago.
To reiterate: while Price was turfed, it's clear not all of her friends cronies hires were turfed as well. Betcha fifty to St. Jude that they were passing info along to her.

Which... raises some questions, y'know. It's not like it's the Rosenburgs with nuclear technology, but most companies aren't keen on in-house information getting leaked.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 03:16:49 PM
Good Lord, the DRAMA!

Mz. Price also seems to be remarkably well-informed of office politics, for a company she left 4 years ago.

Ironic, given that only 4 years ago she's being interviewed and saying what great guys Erik Mona and Jason Buhlman are, saying she loves them to death.

DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Svenhelgrim on September 17, 2021, 03:40:06 PM
It seems as though they want to destroy rpg gamng.  Their (rpg companies) actions make no sense.  WOTC, the 800 lb gorilla in the industry hired this broad?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mishihari on September 17, 2021, 03:47:35 PM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

Edit: I should add, I'm interested in the thread's temprature. I don't care if they actually boycott Paizo or not. That's on them. But reading the mental gyrations of self-justification while virtue-signaling is the rhetorical equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

It's hard to not watch. Fuck I have work to do... but...

You should consider standup as a sideline.  Your edit gave me the best laugh I've had in ages.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 03:59:25 PM
hahaha that thread is now talking about boycotting Paizo...

Yesssssss....

Edit: I should add, I'm interested in the thread's temprature. I don't care if they actually boycott Paizo or not. That's on them. But reading the mental gyrations of self-justification while virtue-signaling is the rhetorical equivalent of watching a room full of people peeing into each other's mouths while singing Village People songs.

It's hard to not watch. Fuck I have work to do... but...

You should consider standup as a sideline.  Your edit gave me the best laugh I've had in ages.

Funny you should say that. My daughter is dying for she and I to go to Austin and have me do a 60-second set for Kill Tony and maybe catch a show with Rogan. It's on my secret to-do list.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 17, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
It seems as though they want to destroy rpg gamng.  Their (rpg companies) actions make no sense.  WOTC, the 800 lb gorilla in the industry hired this broad?

I think that view takes too much thought and intentionality.

My hot take: Price is right on a couple of things - as Pundit said - the industry (like most of entertainment these days) is full of weak men in positions of power. Grifters like Price are in it for the recognition. She's getting by on her appearance (she's next-door cute, which to most socially inept betas in the industry is "hot") and she knows it. You see this in comics too. When Geekdom became fashionable it became watershed for thirsty angry women with axes to grind and men willing to let themselves be the grindstone just for proximity. I mean, it's no secret that so many of the male feminists are sexual predators... the predominant majority of them are SJWs. Not really shocking news.

Look at her professional trackrecord. This ideology about generating outrage for clout *is* her business. And I'll commend her for consistency and commitment on that. At the end of the day these companies that hire her are almost literally asking for this bullshit to come down on them. This is the Frog and Scorpion (I wonder if she's a Scorpio?) scenario.

The side effect of this ideology is that all these institutions - be they entertainment, academic, technological, governmental, etc. will succumb to this bullshit if they are led by midwit betas because they lack zero principles and are essentially scared and weak.

It looks especially scary for TTRPG's because it's such a small industry. Everyone knows one another, and letting in the barbarians does a lot of damage very quickly. This is why we should support those people that simply want to make a good game, and more importantly not support those whose ideologies want you censored, locked up and ultimately killed - ultimately in that order.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 17, 2021, 05:43:18 PM
My goodness. This woman must be on cloud nine. Seeing the waves she's made. Big purp has unlocked their thread but already handed out a three day ban. Why is this so fun to watch? hehehe

I'm not a prognosticator but I wonder if this marks the beginning of the end for Paizo
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 17, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: wmarshal on September 18, 2021, 08:17:05 AM
I’ve worked in corporate environments for about 30 years. I never come across anything remotely close to what Jessica is describing in regards to the stalking and management dismissal of concerns across multiple companies. Given that she is often proud that she “keeps receipts” I’m also surprised she hasn’t produced any. I’d give even odds she’s being a bit of a fabulist here. Whatever story she comes across she has to one up it.

Pretty sure she’s a scorpion. Only a matter of time before WOTC gets stung.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: dkabq on September 18, 2021, 08:17:35 AM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)

To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 18, 2021, 09:53:26 AM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)

So while things clearly have changed since I was there, reading her thread I can tell you unequivocally that practice she's talking about was not something done company-wide.

It may have been some basic assumption where she worked. But I'm familiar with the "scenario" she painted. It sounds like she had a shitty manager that hired knuckleheads and the guy that replaced her was someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience. I know people put on PIP's that really were fucking up - (drugs, really bad personal crises etc.) but to be put on a PIP for seemingly "political reasons" as she's implying... I'm super skeptical.

"Back in my day" at MS, sure you could have differences, even big ones with managers, but you couldn't be put on a PIP and tossed out without some oversight. Granted, each group is different, but in the years I was there, no one put on a PIP didn't deserve it. Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

And you know... her track-record speaks for itself. Getting shitcanned from MS is a fairly serious issue there. If she were good, they would have kept her. I know people that were horrible people that did good work, Microsoft threw money at to keep because of their skill. Hell I knew people there that did illegal shit hacking the MS network itself that got promoted *because* of their ingenuity, rather than get shitcanned. Anectodal sure, but I was on the purely technical side, and she's not shown any particular skill at anything that says she's qualified. So who knows. I have lots of reasons to doubt her story from the periphery.

Clearly the bar was lowered in whatever division that hired her - so things have changed. But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Omega on September 18, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
It seems as though they want to destroy rpg gamng.  Their (rpg companies) actions make no sense.  WOTC, the 800 lb gorilla in the industry hired this broad?

Thats actually been WOTC for a long long time. Failure is the only option and killing the goose that lays the golden eggs is WOTC's SOP.

We are just seeing now the stupid becoming increasingly more blatant.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 18, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)

To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: dkabq on September 18, 2021, 01:16:09 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)

To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.

Hey! We agree on something. Sign of the upcoming Apocalypse?!?    :o
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 18, 2021, 04:11:32 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)



To be fair, she isn't wrong about stack-ranking. But she may have been fairly fired, albeit by a craptastic system.

Anyone can be unfairly fired from a job. But in my experience when a person has been fired from every single job they've ever had, with similar accusations about how everything done to them is unfair and they did nothing wrong over and over again, it's not the employers who are the problem.

Yeah I think it's what 3 in a row now? (Microsoft, Paizo and arenanet?)

Also frankly it gets more suspect where the one thats doing most of the backing up of prices clames Crystal frazier apparently left the company in 2016 but cam back to do more work for them in 2018 (Whether as offical staff or freelancer I'm not sure either way kind of weird to me that someone would leave a company for being horrible to them then come back to help them in any capacity.)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jaeger on September 18, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
... someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience....

... Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

... But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.

IMHO, she gave herself away with this tweet:


Quote from: Jessica Price@Delafina  https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1114241232367013888
Also, I heard one of the writers thought I was arrogant. I was a bit surprised by that, since the writers were known for giant egos, and I was wondering what I could possibly have done already to stick out. I began quietly asking around if anyone else had gotten that feedback.

You can't tell her anything, nothing is ever her fault, and she's always the victim.

On top of it she's a backstabbing gossip. And while I would have to meet her in person to be sure, I suspect she is a bit of a coquette as well...

Add all these traits up + Jessica Price = Absolute poison in any even remotely functional workplace.

And while I actually believe her about the shitty passive-aggressive and inappropriate gamma-male behavior... She keeps putting herself in those environments again and again!

You don't need to be a trained therapist to see what is going on here. You can literally follow the trends from her tweets alone.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 18, 2021, 05:35:44 PM
... someone that knew what he was doing as is typical, started cleaning up his team. When you get put on a PIP (Personal Improvement Plan for the non-corpspeakers here) at MS, it usually means "you're fucking up *bad*". It's not ever done lightly, in my experience....

... Everyone knows who the bad apples were. And I've seen interviews with her as "Project Manager" and I laughed my ass off at the stuff she was describing. She's clearly a bullshitter, no PMP certification and her politics would make having her as a PM a nightmare.

... But retrospectively knowing her professional trackrecord... you know where she's getting fired from company after company for clearly political shit... means the problem is her. To nobody's surprise.

IMHO, she gave herself away with this tweet:


Quote from: Jessica Price@Delafina  https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/1114241232367013888
Also, I heard one of the writers thought I was arrogant. I was a bit surprised by that, since the writers were known for giant egos, and I was wondering what I could possibly have done already to stick out. I began quietly asking around if anyone else had gotten that feedback.

You can't tell her anything, nothing is ever her fault, and she's always the victim.

On top of it she's a backstabbing gossip. And while I would have to meet her in person to be sure, I suspect she is a bit of a coquette as well...

Add all these traits up + Jessica Price = Absolute poison in any even remotely functional workplace.

And while I actually believe her about the shitty passive-aggressive and inappropriate gamma-male behavior... She keeps putting herself in those environments again and again!

You don't need to be a trained therapist to see what is going on here. You can literally follow the trends from her tweets alone.

  Please tell me that woman is not dating anyone.   I can not imagine what sort of hell that person goes through.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jaeger on September 18, 2021, 06:12:34 PM
...
  Please tell me that woman is not dating anyone.   I can not imagine what sort of hell that person goes through.

I assure you. That when she wants to, someone like Jessica Price can come across as completely personable, self effacing, and charming...

Having known someone with similar traits all my life I will make an educated guess and say it usually goes more or less in two ways:


1: She is using the relationship for some purpose. In this case the poor bastard is being strung along and given just enough to keep him invested in the relationship, but not enough to where he feels that he is in a position that he can ask her for a long term commitment.

He is possibly also alienating long term friends and relationships to stay with her as well. But once he has served his purpose, he will find that he has "done something wrong" that gives her cause to break up with him. Not hard for her because everything about that relationship has been on her terms from the beginning.


2: Something triggers in her head, and she actually wants to be with the guy long-term. i.e She views him as a "great catch".

She will act towards him in a totally different manner than she does with anyone else. And by different, I mean flip-a-switch different.

All access to them as a couple is completely on her terms. They will only have mutual friends that she approves of. And while the guy may become tangentially aware of some of her negative traits; Due to the markedly different way she treats him, he will tend to view them as the occasional personal imperfections that everyone has. Not as the general mode of behavior that she applies to others outside their relationship and immediate circle of friends.

Naturally she will avoid long term relationships with men that have strong life-long ties to family and friends she wouldn't approve of, or is unable to control his frequency of access. Of course makes this makes it hard for girls like her to find something like the second relationship described.

Which is why so many women like this tend to wind up as old, bitter, man-hating cat ladies.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
I find it kind of amusing how there going on about starting a hashtag on twitter and that a whole 41 people seem to have cancelled there subscriptions over this (I mean I'm no expert but even though Paizo is not anywhere near as big as your WOTC or Gw pretty sure 41 is still a tiny amount also retty sure many times that amount quit in half the time when the game changed to second edtion)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 18, 2021, 08:03:07 PM
Another former staffer just chimed in (Liz courts) and out of intrest is $36k a year a lot a drop in the bucket or something in between?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jaeger on September 18, 2021, 08:34:30 PM
Another former staffer just chimed in (Liz courts) and out of intrest is $36k a year a lot a drop in the bucket or something in between?

A full time job? In Seattle?

ROTFL... Utter wage slave.

The average for freelance writers in other industries is: .20c a word, or 30 an hour, or 60K annually.

Baizuo is not paying anything close to a living wage for their location.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: therealjcm on September 18, 2021, 08:52:15 PM
I know she worked on video games for Microsoft before she was at Paizo.
I highly suspect she was canned by them as well, although I have no evidence for that.

You now have evidence for that in her own words.  (https://twitter.com/delafina777/status/1114238240955834368?lang=en)

That reads like a whole heap of self-serving lies, with *just* enough truth to satisfy anyone who cared to fact check her on anything that happened in front of more than 2 people.

The thing that strikes me the most is how blatant the wrongdoing is by those she casts as villain in her stories. In my experience that sort of blatant behavior is vanishingly rare in the office during regular hours. Maybe an asshole might say the sort of things she claims at a Christmas party when everyone is 10 drinks in, or at the bar while traveling for a conference, or... well pretty much any time booze is involved with co-workers.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Lord Dynel on September 18, 2021, 10:05:03 PM
It's already been said upthread a little ways, but I'm dumbstruck how this narrative is playing out.  Even in 2021.  Even with everything that goes on in the world today.  All the jobs she's been fired from, all the "altercations" that she's either been part of or somehow intimately knows every detail of - every single one of them has some excuse; sexism/patriarchal bias, or some other woke BS that's the cause of the problem.  It's never her.  She (or her close friend/co-worker) is always the victim in these scenarios.  I'm not saying sexism doesn't exist, that there aren't people out there that aren't being marginalized, but damn...either she's got some incredibly shitty luck and she really is always the victim, or she's just a shitty person who get's shitcanned for one reason or another when then won't hesitate to use sexism as a shield for said shittiness.  And the absolute crazy part?  All these woke champions keep eating it up.  Jesus.  How can these people not connect the dots.  It's amazing.

Too bad Ben Shapiro doesn't look at it all and start responding to her tweets.   ;D
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 18, 2021, 10:47:38 PM
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.  (https://archive.fo/M2Wxa)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mithgarthr on September 18, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.  (https://archive.fo/M2Wxa)

Absolutely. I've called bullshit on that since it happened. This just further confirms my feelings about that situation.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Eirikrautha on September 19, 2021, 08:38:53 AM
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 19, 2021, 08:48:39 AM
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

Reminds me of Hollywood #MeToo
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 19, 2021, 11:04:53 AM
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 19, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?

Oh, I don't know, in their book? In the "Gaming is For All" section on pages 5-6 of the Playtest Rulebook?

Call me crazy but that reads exactly as what Eirikrautha is saying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 19, 2021, 08:48:21 PM
So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow? 

This is the key premise of your claim, and I am not sure it's on the firm ground you assert (though maybe it is) so can you support it? Where has Paizo preached about what kind of person you need to be, and about your behavior and morality? From what I've seen, all they have done is mention their preferences just like you mention your preferences?

Oh, I don't know, in their book? In the "Gaming is For All" section on pages 5-6 of the Playtest Rulebook?

Call me crazy but that reads exactly as what Eirikrautha is saying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/)

OK that's a fair example.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 19, 2021, 09:25:04 PM
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).

Preach Brother!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 20, 2021, 12:23:39 PM
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).

Yup. But the larger problem is this extends to their simpering fans who also feel if they side with these idiots, they too are on the "right side" without giving a single thought to the logical reality of the situation. And they've constructed this retarded rhetorical defense that ends with "ReeeeeeeEEE" and censorship as the final card to play when trying to interact with them.

It's a cult now. And their faith is strong.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 20, 2021, 12:36:51 PM
Which is why so many women like this tend to wind up as old, bitter, man-hating cat ladies.

You aren't wrong, but I think you owe an apology to real cat ladies.  Cat ladies are often eccentric, but they really are nice to their cats and their cats love them back, at least as much as a cat ever really loves any person.  This often manifests as the cat ladies trying to genuinely being nice to other people but not always pulling it off because of their eccentricity. 

Whereas the kind of bitter scolds you describe don't even like their cats, which is then reciprocated.  When even the notoriously aloof and individualistic cats agrees with all the people in your circle about you, it really says something.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 21, 2021, 02:41:26 PM
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.  (https://archive.fo/M2Wxa)

How can Frank be so old and so naive?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2021, 03:02:53 PM
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.  (https://archive.fo/M2Wxa)

How can Frank be so old and so naive?
You answered your own question. Older people are, sadly, a lot easier to take advantage of in many cases. It's why scammers like to target the elderly.

It doesn't help that Price is a lunatic.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: DocJones on September 21, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2021, 05:39:49 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.   
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 06:30:34 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: HappyDaze on September 21, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: rytrasmi on September 21, 2021, 06:47:56 PM
(I promise this is on topic, it'll just take a second to show it)

So, a couple of years back, the National Football League (NFL) in the US had a series of very disturbing events, several caught on camera, of players abusing their girlfriends/spouses.  One was of a player punching his girlfriend so hard he knocked her out, then dragged her limp body into an elevator.  Another was a player pushing a woman down and then kicking her full force in the head (this player was dropped from his team, sat out a year, and is now a star on another team).

After these incidents, the NFL had its players tape public service announcements that ran before each game, imploring their fans not to abuse women.  This infuriated me, and many other people I knew.  As one wag put it, "Why are they lecturing me about this, when I've never abused a woman in my life?  I should be doing a PSA that THEY should have to watch, since THEY are the ones with the problem!"

So, regardless of who you believe, Paizo has a history of hiring shitty people.  If Price is telling the truth, then Paizo is infested with scum.  If she's lying, then she and all of her cronies (all of whom worked at Paizo) are scummy human beings.  Either way, Paizo is, or was, full of vile employees.  So who the hell do they think they are preaching to me, on Twitter, in their products, on message boards, about what kind of person I need to be, how I need to think and behave, what morality I should follow?  They need to shut up, and get lectured by those of us who haven't ever been foul to our coworkers, bosses, and employees!  And this is why woke destroys game companies.  Because their certitude that they are on the side of angels immunizes them from the self-awareness that is necessary to recognize that THEY are, in fact, the problem, and not qualified to preach to anyone about anything.  Just make good games; that's hard enough (and so far, they haven't even managed to do that...).
Very well put!

In a similar vein, HR just made me (and everyone else) spend 45 mins doing anti-harassment training. Had they allowed me to take the 5 min quiz in advance, they would have learned that I didn't need any training.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 21, 2021, 09:00:11 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?

Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: oggsmash on September 21, 2021, 09:15:22 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

  Well, I have seen people who are really, really bad at taking simple polite behavior for more than it is.   Especially when we are talking dudes around younger women.  I always operated under the do nothing unless there is overt behavior from the woman.  I can understand where a few beers and some of these guys (who I assume are socially awkward) might be a bit forward.  I just do not know when being a bit forward became sexual harassment.
I'm absolutely sure it started on a Tuesday. I just can't pinpoint which Tuesday it was...

Did it involve tacos?
You're being rather forward with that line, aren't you?

Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.

  Speaking of which, my brother and his co workers go to Taco Tuesday at a restaurant near work and their waitress is a former (I guess) porn actress. 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 22, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
Frank Mentzer's refutation of some of Price's claims of sexual harassment about him probably deserve another look about now.  (https://archive.fo/M2Wxa)

How can Frank be so old and so naive?
You answered your own question. Older people are, sadly, a lot easier to take advantage of in many cases. It's why scammers like to target the elderly.

It doesn't help that Price is a lunatic.

I should have said how can he have experienced so much of the world and still be this naive. He's not just some old grandpa getting tricked in spending thousands on curtains by a door to door salesman. Presumably (and I am presuming) he has been around women like this.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 22, 2021, 01:39:13 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

Which begs to question how many men have cashed that check, so to speak, and what is has done for her. Frank's story of her being paraded around at a con party and whomever introduced her to him talking about how she's something worth knowing or whatever. I would imagine the gentleman doing the introduction was familiar with Ms. Price. And I get cons were nearly completely devoid of women back then, and I get Frank thought of himself as a poor nobody, but Frank Mentzer isn't a nobody, not in our space.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: wmarshal on September 22, 2021, 03:01:03 PM
How can Frank be so old and so naive?

Isn't it weird how men at really varied places from software companies to rpg companies to game conventions get the idea that Price might be interested in them?

Which begs to question how many men have cashed that check, so to speak, and what is has done for her. Frank's story of her being paraded around at a con party and whomever introduced her to him talking about how she's something worth knowing or whatever. I would imagine the gentleman doing the introduction was familiar with Ms. Price. And I get cons were nearly completely devoid of women back then, and I get Frank thought of himself as a poor nobody, but Frank Mentzer isn't a nobody, not in our space.
It could come down to poor decision making that sometimes comes with age. Whether it’s due to early senility or a omnipresent and smothering feeling of mortality that often accompanies age. I’ve seen older people behave in ways that they wouldn’t when they were 10-20 years younger. I’m not privy to Frank’s particular situation, but it wouldn’t surprise me if something similar had occurred with his interaction with Price. Doesn’t mean he didn’t make a mistake, just a possible reason why the mistake occurred.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 23, 2021, 10:10:14 AM
Life is too short to beat around the bush when it comes to Taco Tuesday.

Especially when you say you want to smash that taco in the bush. And that's how we end up here.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Zalman on September 23, 2021, 10:49:39 AM
It could come down to poor decision making that sometimes comes with age.

Or possibly just not being able to keep up with the ever-changing "acceptable" vernacular. Which of course is the exact reason it's ever-changing.

Anecdotally, claims of "harassment" from older men I've seen are around comments in the vein of "Well, you're a lot better looking than most of the gamers around here." Those claims might hold water, for example, at the workplace -- especially if they come from a supervisor -- but at a gaming convention or any other purely social event? Seems like "flirting" to me, and it seems like some people can no longer tell the difference. "Harassment" has come to include any comment from someone you find unattractive (disclaimer: I have no idea how attractive Frank is).
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 23, 2021, 11:41:38 AM
No vernacular is acceptable to people who are incentivized to be outraged for the purposes of stroking their own egos.

There is no bottom to that well of narcissistic shit.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: mudbanks on September 23, 2021, 11:40:16 PM
she's next-door cute

IDK about you man, but she's most certainly not what I'd call next-door cute :P
(https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/84/Jessica_Price_%28Guild_Chat%29.jpg)

This, however, is what I'd call next-door cute:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPA0q9TJmKNdYxqFy5W4hcjjjATZ3MMFlcAQ&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Krugus on September 24, 2021, 12:17:01 AM
She has a kind of.. ok who am I kidding... most defiantly has that crazy cat lady look in her eyes ;)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Jam The MF on September 24, 2021, 12:58:09 AM
So that's the person stirring up so much drama?  The one that RPG companies feel compelled to hire?  She's a 6 pack away from being good looking.  They must be paying her for her intellect?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 08:26:08 AM
So that's the person stirring up so much drama?  The one that RPG companies feel compelled to hire?  She's a 6 pack away from being good looking.  They must be paying her for her intellect?
They're overpaying if that's the case. She's never struck me as particularly intelligent.

Her deranged, extended rant against Deroir over GW2's plot writing was the perfect example. Anyone with a lick of sense would've at least bottled any resentment up and vented it internally among coworkers, if only to preserve their employment.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: DM_Curt on September 24, 2021, 09:45:09 AM
*Upon second thought...deleted.*
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 24, 2021, 10:46:23 AM

Let me amend that - She's Next-Door cute at best after my whiskey-goggles are on.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 24, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
she's next-door cute

IDK about you man, but she's most certainly not what I'd call next-door cute :P
(https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/84/Jessica_Price_%28Guild_Chat%29.jpg)

This, however, is what I'd call next-door cute:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPA0q9TJmKNdYxqFy5W4hcjjjATZ3MMFlcAQ&usqp=CAU)

::Shudder:: yeah. Something deranged in that visage
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: JeffB on September 24, 2021, 11:52:29 AM
she's next-door cute

IDK about you man, but she's most certainly not what I'd call next-door cute :P
(https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/84/Jessica_Price_%28Guild_Chat%29.jpg)


She's got the "I'd love to put this guy's body under my floorboards along with all the rest. Minus his doodadz, of course"
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: deadDMwalking on September 24, 2021, 12:09:55 PM
Am I to understand from the last two pages that the consensus here is that women should be hired based on their appearance (rather than ability) and that a woman that doesn't rate a '9' or higher is automatically safe from any form of sexual harassment? 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Am I to understand from the last two pages that the consensus here is that women should be hired based on their appearance (rather than ability) and that a woman that doesn't rate a '9' or higher is automatically safe from any form of sexual harassment?
LOL.

(https://external-preview.redd.it/SUpdR6P4NCcNUUzbMIouAMoNj_cCfKLMMVUbfFlKTEc.jpg?auto=webp&s=e44712b23985cabaa8fcfd7b2b96a13cb39bcf6e)

That's what we're stating here. Her exterior matches her interior.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: deadDMwalking on September 24, 2021, 12:20:56 PM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'? 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 24, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'?

Is that actually what anyone said?

I've seen her smile. For some reason it doesn't make her less of a shitbag. What do you think?

Edit: That you took the last two pages out of 11 pages of discussion to be the only thing that mattered says a lot about your own capacity to discern valuable information. This was what you could synthesize? LOL you, like her, have unspoken issues which we don't really need to speak about unless you want to.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Kevin197 on September 24, 2021, 12:42:15 PM
Wow I cant believe how apparently easily played some of these Paizo people are.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: JeffB on September 24, 2021, 12:45:26 PM
Am I to understand from the last two pages that the consensus here is that women should be hired based on their appearance (rather than ability) and that a woman that doesn't rate a '9' or higher is automatically safe from any form of sexual harassment?

I don't care what she looks like or who hires her. Or anything else.

Simply stating she looks like she's off her rocker, and apparently her actions and personality have lived up to her look.





Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 24, 2021, 01:10:03 PM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'?
More like 'she'd be so much prettier if she wasn't a soulless shitbag who exists solely to drag down those around her'.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 24, 2021, 02:37:23 PM
Am I to understand from the last two pages that the consensus here is that women should be hired based on their appearance (rather than ability) and that a woman that doesn't rate a '9' or higher is automatically safe from any form of sexual harassment?

Not if you paid attention to the thread.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 24, 2021, 03:47:52 PM
What we are really missing in this thread is someone to white knight for Jessica or at least to Kathy Newman for her.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: deadDMwalking on September 24, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace. 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: wmarshal on September 24, 2021, 03:56:17 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.
I beg to differ. The boyfriend cannot spot crazy, but the boyfriend’s regular friends (male or female) often can.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 24, 2021, 04:07:59 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.

Underneath the jesting is an important point. Women have social power, and men can wind up enabling bad behavior in the hopes that they might receive female attention.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 24, 2021, 04:20:24 PM
I don't know Jessica Price.

But you seemed far more concerned about what people think of her appearance. Do you have any standards you're willing to say about her appearance? It's pretty objective.

Just like I'm pretty confident by the normal standards of male beauty I'm not beautiful AT ALL. But I got pretty good game and I'm pretty masculine and confident - which offsets my Mongol gorilla savage appearance.

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.

What a gross overgeneralization of men. As someone with a lot of ex-girlfriends, many of them batshit crazy, I can tell you right now, among my friends I'm notorious (even now) for being attracted to crazy girls. Set your car on fire-kinda crazy. I can spot'em a mile away. Put me in the presence of one, I'll know within 60-seconds of chatting her up if she's crazy.

I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.

You do realize she's been in social media for years proclaiming her idiotic views. We don't need a single picture to pretend she's not batshit crazy. She's provided years worth of video and social media posts to prove it. Her work records show it. You're playing pretty stupid if this is what you're handing your position on. But feel free.

Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.

Do you know what misogyny means? There are scads of ugly women in the world. Literally tens of millions. Just like there are tens of millions of ugly men. Saying someone is unattractive doesn't make you *hate* an entire gender. It's merely a point of fact. Like I can say - I'm unattractive. But none of my ex's or my wife who is *way* on the other end of the looks spectrum than myself, would ever say different. I have other qualities that made me attractive to them. Jessica Price is the inverse of that. She's middling in her overall appearance, but man when she starts talking, that Charisma penalty kicks in and it goes really south. Fortunately Jessica has given tons of her own verbal and written evidence that she's uglier on the inside than on the outside, which we can form our opinions more solidly.

YOU seem to be the one more concerned with her looks, I personally don't care. It's almost as if you like to form your opinions in terms of absolute generalizations about outlier positions to make some point that doesn't exist in whatever topic is at hand. Not a good rhetorical hill to die on. But it's a common "strategy" for SJW's willing to speak for a sentence or longer.

So there, your dumb point was acknowledged, I personally don't agree with you (I won't speak for anyone elsE), I think your point is moronic, but we all believe in free speech on this forum so even dumbasses get acknowledged by kind souls like myself. At least I won't ignore you.

Anything else?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Aglondir on September 24, 2021, 04:45:13 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.
I seldom agree with deadDMWalking. More like never. But he has a point here. Posting a photo of anyone and  then ridiculing their appearance is uncool. Let's keep it to what Price has said and done, not comment on her appearance.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 24, 2021, 05:32:35 PM
I seldom agree with deadDMWalking. More like never. But he has a point here. Posting a photo of anyone and  then ridiculing their appearance is uncool. Let's keep it to what Price has said and done, not comment on her appearance.

Also, she (& all the other SJWs reading this) absolutely love this kind of stuff. Don't give them the pleasure!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: JeffB on September 24, 2021, 07:10:08 PM


But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.

Maybe you can't, but I sure can.

Unfortunately my Brain and my Balls aren't always on the same page.



Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Dapig on September 24, 2021, 07:13:03 PM
Alexa, cue Ken Watanabe saying 'Let them fight' in the Godzilla movie.

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I mean, this is comedy gold, because Price is such a lowlife anyways. But it's so much fun watching Paizo deal with the lunatic.

I'm having real problems with buying the authenticity of her sob story about how 'these offices haven't been cleaned or vacuumed in SEVEN YEARS'.

Lots more incoherent ranting about the execs in the thread.

Have fun!

She hates white men and Christians.  I actually read her Twitter.

But here is the truth: she went nuts and got fired for berating a fan for having a slightly different opinion.

She relished the death of a dude with a wife and kid.

Who does these things?  A narcissist.  Not a “narcissist” but a bona fide personality disordered person.

Another clear indication is badmouthing the hands that feed you and going back to get fed.  I genuinely despise what this bitch is about.  What a terrible hag.  She can be woke all day and I will shrug and walk away.  But she is a hateful individual. 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Oddend on September 24, 2021, 08:43:41 PM
personality disordered

*evil
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Dapig on September 24, 2021, 08:44:57 PM
Yes, that is my take.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: DM_Curt on September 25, 2021, 12:13:30 AM
personality disordered

*evil

Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil?
I'm going with Neutral Evil. 
Lawful Evil doesn't feel like a fit.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: SHARK on September 25, 2021, 12:16:49 AM
I don't know Jessica Price.

But you seemed far more concerned about what people think of her appearance. Do you have any standards you're willing to say about her appearance? It's pretty objective.

Just like I'm pretty confident by the normal standards of male beauty I'm not beautiful AT ALL. But I got pretty good game and I'm pretty masculine and confident - which offsets my Mongol gorilla savage appearance.

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.

What a gross overgeneralization of men. As someone with a lot of ex-girlfriends, many of them batshit crazy, I can tell you right now, among my friends I'm notorious (even now) for being attracted to crazy girls. Set your car on fire-kinda crazy. I can spot'em a mile away. Put me in the presence of one, I'll know within 60-seconds of chatting her up if she's crazy.

I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.

You do realize she's been in social media for years proclaiming her idiotic views. We don't need a single picture to pretend she's not batshit crazy. She's provided years worth of video and social media posts to prove it. Her work records show it. You're playing pretty stupid if this is what you're handing your position on. But feel free.

Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.

Do you know what misogyny means? There are scads of ugly women in the world. Literally tens of millions. Just like there are tens of millions of ugly men. Saying someone is unattractive doesn't make you *hate* an entire gender. It's merely a point of fact. Like I can say - I'm unattractive. But none of my ex's or my wife who is *way* on the other end of the looks spectrum than myself, would ever say different. I have other qualities that made me attractive to them. Jessica Price is the inverse of that. She's middling in her overall appearance, but man when she starts talking, that Charisma penalty kicks in and it goes really south. Fortunately Jessica has given tons of her own verbal and written evidence that she's uglier on the inside than on the outside, which we can form our opinions more solidly.

YOU seem to be the one more concerned with her looks, I personally don't care. It's almost as if you like to form your opinions in terms of absolute generalizations about outlier positions to make some point that doesn't exist in whatever topic is at hand. Not a good rhetorical hill to die on. But it's a common "strategy" for SJW's willing to speak for a sentence or longer.

So there, your dumb point was acknowledged, I personally don't agree with you (I won't speak for anyone elsE), I think your point is moronic, but we all believe in free speech on this forum so even dumbasses get acknowledged by kind souls like myself. At least I won't ignore you.

Anything else?

Greetings!

"Mongol gorilla savage appearance"!!! ;D Fucking awesome, man!

I read that Genghis Khan had *thousands of concubines*--with some sources claiming 10,000 concubines or more, while I think he had 6 or 7 wives, led by his number one Chief Wife--his first wife--Borte. Evidently there was a special yearly ceremony where tens of thousands of beautiful women from every corner of the Mongol Empire were paraded before his throne over several weeks--all hoping to be one of the relatively few--to be selected by Genghis to join his palace household. Of course, the world's most beautiful women, the elite cream of noble women from Mongolia, Siberia, China, Korea, South-East Asia, Central Asia, Tibet, Afghanistan, Northern India, the Trans-Caucasus, Persia, Turkey, Hungary, Ukraine, and Russia led the way, while being followed by hordes of attractive nomad, peasant, and shepherd girls, all typically from the ages of 12 to 25 or 30.

Women competed fiercely to be with a savage Mongol, from the Great Khan on down to the lowest tribal warrior serving the Empire.

So, even in our modern day and age, Savage Mongol Gorilla appearance has its attractions for the women for sure! ;D

On a secondary note, Jessica Price is a dolled up *5* at best--and as you mentioned, that's so long as she keeps her mouth shut. As soon as she runs her mouth, her attractiveness heads south even faster. I've seen better looking skanks in the cereal aisle at Walmart. ;D

It's pretty sad that these game companies have hordes of desperate, Beta-male dweebs falling all over themselves to bang a crazy 304 like Jessica Price.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 25, 2021, 01:54:39 AM
Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil?
I'm going with Neutral Evil. 
Lawful Evil doesn't feel like a fit.

Definitely Chaotic.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on September 25, 2021, 05:00:34 AM
personality disordered

*evil

Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil?
I'm going with Neutral Evil. 
Lawful Evil doesn't feel like a fit.

I am an expert on diagnosing Alignment and in my expert opinion DM_Curt has the right of it.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Dapig on September 25, 2021, 09:32:21 AM
Let’s see….offended at lesser people having a different opinion ever so slightly different….and then going off about her expertise and how dare he contradict her!

(Inflated sense of self importance, devaluing others).

Guy she disagrees with dies from cancer…he has a little kid and wife and she decides “it’s for the best he is gone.” 

(Devaluing others, pronouncing judgment on their worthiness of life itself).

Bad mouthing on a big scale with accusations people that formerly supported her and salting the fields of companies that let her have a “fun job”’because they did not agree with her priorities at every turn (and damn those effected by any resulting outrage mob or canceling).

Many many statements about how Christians can fuck off and don’t have a right to do any Jewish rituals ‘cause they are stealing? Them.  Ok this last one is less evil and more crazy.

Read her Twitter and see the bitterness that never ends.

But remember, she is the victim.  This is a classic personality disorder with narcissistic traits.  She seems indifferent to the suffering of others, feels she is “important” and should not be challenged and goes nuts with narcissistic injuries. REALLY hurts her pride.

So why do I give two shits?  I started to say all of this but another website said folks attacking her character would be banned!  Since you can actually tell it like it is on this site, figures it was the place to say it.

So even someone this gross gets protection by the sjw mob.  They too are intolerant of contradictory opinion and discussion…
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 25, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
Let’s see….offended at lesser people having a different opinion ever so slightly different….and then going off about her expertise and how dare he contradict her!

(Inflated sense of self importance, devaluing others).

Guy she disagrees with dies from cancer…he has a little kid and wife and she decides “it’s for the best he is gone.” 

(Devaluing others, pronouncing judgment on their worthiness of life itself).

Bad mouthing on a big scale with accusations people that formerly supported her and salting the fields of companies that let her have a “fun job”’because they did not agree with her priorities at every turn (and damn those effected by any resulting outrage mob or canceling).

Many many statements about how Christians can fuck off and don’t have a right to do any Jewish rituals ‘cause they are stealing? Them.  Ok this last one is less evil and more crazy.

Read her Twitter and see the bitterness that never ends.

But remember, she is the victim.  This is a classic personality disorder with narcissistic traits.  She seems indifferent to the suffering of others, feels she is “important” and should not be challenged and goes nuts with narcissistic injuries. REALLY hurts her pride.

So why do I give two shits?  I started to say all of this but another website said folks attacking her character would be banned!  Since you can actually tell it like it is on this site, figures it was the place to say it.

So even someone this gross gets protection by the sjw mob.  They too are intolerant of contradictory opinion and discussion…
Dude, name the website. Don't be a damn cocktease.

Other than that, no argument.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Dapig on September 25, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Horace on September 25, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: S'mon on September 25, 2021, 02:15:51 PM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.

Hello, Horace!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: SHARK on September 25, 2021, 03:34:20 PM
Greetings!

Welcome, Horace!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shrieking Banshee on September 25, 2021, 03:58:28 PM
If Jessica Price was the most gorgous person in the multiverse that wouldn't make her less of a petty bitch. If a kindhearted charity worker had the face of a smashed pumpkin, it wouldn't make them any less of who they are.
That said, insulting peoples appearance is a common tactic - bugger all to do with misogeny. Is calling Kevin Smith a shriveled potato misandric? No? I guessed so.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 25, 2021, 07:54:02 PM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.

Welcome to the madness!
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ratman_tf on September 25, 2021, 08:00:02 PM
If Jessica Price was the most gorgous person in the multiverse that wouldn't make her less of a petty bitch. If a kindhearted charity worker had the face of a smashed pumpkin, it wouldn't make them any less of who they are.
That said, insulting peoples appearance is a common tactic - bugger all to do with misogeny. Is calling Kevin Smith a shriveled potato misandric? No? I guessed so.

Yep. I don't go there mostly because her appearance is off topic. But accusations of misogyny are so old and tired. It's almost come full circle to being quaint.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mishihari on September 26, 2021, 03:31:22 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.

Welcome!  You'll find a lot of folks here who became refugees from ENWorld and RPGNet after those placers went to hell.  (Raises hand)
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 26, 2021, 11:46:47 AM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'?

I am not going to defend Price. But I will defend the concept you're highlighting here: we shouldn't be judging anyone based on their appearance. Particularly on an anonymous RPG message board where everyone is too cowardly to even mention their real name much less reveal their own looks.

Also, this "if you're bad inside you look bad outside" is complete voodoo nonsense.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on September 26, 2021, 11:49:57 AM
If Jessica Price was the most gorgous person in the multiverse that wouldn't make her less of a petty bitch. If a kindhearted charity worker had the face of a smashed pumpkin, it wouldn't make them any less of who they are.
That said, insulting peoples appearance is a common tactic - bugger all to do with misogeny. Is calling Kevin Smith a shriveled potato misandric? No? I guessed so.

Yep. I don't go there mostly because her appearance is off topic. But accusations of misogyny are so old and tired. It's almost come full circle to being quaint.

Yeah, I would agree. Merely commenting on the physical appearance is petty and a hollow thing. But, if you've ever heard of a dude named Paul Ekman you know what I'm talking about when you can 'see' craziness in people. If you have not heard of him he's a dude who studies emotions and their relation to facial expressions. Really freaking fascinating. So in my one comment about her appearance I mentioned she looked .... off. To be honest it could have been a bad photo, we all take them after all; but tie other pictures with how we know the person acts......
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 26, 2021, 05:26:57 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.

Oh God have mercy, so many ways to slay this tiny Goblin and yet it's offtopic...

She's SHOWN by her words/actions that she's not crazy, she's batshit insane you moron.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 27, 2021, 10:23:57 AM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'?

I am not going to defend Price. But I will defend the concept you're highlighting here: we shouldn't be judging anyone based on their appearance. Particularly on an anonymous RPG message board where everyone is too cowardly to even mention their real name much less reveal their own looks.

Also, this "if you're bad inside you look bad outside" is complete voodoo nonsense.

You do realize no one mentioned her appearance, until I did, and only as an offhand remark* for the vast majority of the thread. She has had MANY threads on many forums speaking to her history of actions. It requires zero substantiation to anyone here or anywhere else that she is a bad person with disingenuous motives in her public interactions and clearly her private work-related ones.

* Now about The Appearance remark - it was a simple allusion to the material fact females of her ilk (the Geek Clout chasing variety) that utilize their appearance and gender-reality to finagle their way into the orbit of power from weak beta males in the industry. This phenomenon is well established - see: Male Feminists Sex Offenders list. *I* am not crapping on her about her appearance. I'm perfectly adult enough to talk about it publicly when it comes to standards. I don't personally give a fuck about people saying "that's sexist" to men or women discussing what's attractive about the other sex. That's not sexist - that's reality. Precisely no one here is saying that women need to "smile" or women can't be game developers, that's pure strawman bullshit.

I merely pointed out she was cute, which is a diverging point between implying that I'm pretty confident that she leverages that as necessary in her profession with specific companies filled with the very men that would be naturally affected and have proven to be weak in this regard to that dynamic. If you think that has no bearing on how she was hired by these companies notorious for their "issues" then you're the one with blinders on.

That others post some unflattering picture of her - which in jest, okay, it's unflattering, who cares - then you and others focus in on it as some issue of contention? Look, no one really gives a crap. This is like complaining that you shouldn't gripe about the Somali Pirate that took shots at your passing ship because that would be "racist".

Keep things in perspective.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 27, 2021, 12:55:41 PM
Jessica Price at conventions is like your very average female soldier whilst deployed--the more uncommon the resource the more valuable it becomes.

And based on that picture she isn't that bad looking anyway. I guess you lot have standards 100x higher than mine.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 27, 2021, 01:04:06 PM
Jessica Price at conventions is like your very average female soldier whilst deployed--the more uncommon the resource the more valuable it becomes.

And based on that picture she isn't that bad looking anyway. I guess you lot have standards 100x higher than mine.
Well, my standards do include 'not being a sociopath with NPD'. :D
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 27, 2021, 01:31:51 PM
So now we're at 'You'd be so much prettier if you smiled'?

I am not going to defend Price. But I will defend the concept you're highlighting here: we shouldn't be judging anyone based on their appearance. Particularly on an anonymous RPG message board where everyone is too cowardly to even mention their real name much less reveal their own looks.

Also, this "if you're bad inside you look bad outside" is complete voodoo nonsense.

You do realize no one mentioned her appearance, until I did, and only as an offhand remark* for the vast majority of the thread. She has had MANY threads on many forums speaking to her history of actions. It requires zero substantiation to anyone here or anywhere else that she is a bad person with disingenuous motives in her public interactions and clearly her private work-related ones.

I absolutely 100% agree. If you have mistaken me for someone who is defending Jessica Price, let me correct you. You and I are on the same side concerning Jessica Price's behavior, and I pointed it out in this thread as well. I am just saying I am not going to join in on her or anyone's looks.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 27, 2021, 02:58:18 PM
Fair enough!

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: horsesoldier on September 27, 2021, 03:35:21 PM
Jessica Price at conventions is like your very average female soldier whilst deployed--the more uncommon the resource the more valuable it becomes.

And based on that picture she isn't that bad looking anyway. I guess you lot have standards 100x higher than mine.
Well, my standards do include 'not being a sociopath with NPD'. :D

Oh, sure, agreed there. I was strictly speaking to how she looked, not how she acted. And despite the claim made previously she does have the look of a crazy person. I imagine one doesn't have to spend much time with her to perceive a disconnect with reality.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Steven Mitchell on September 27, 2021, 04:07:08 PM
Regarding appearance and how that reflects something else:  It's not an always thing.  Some people are vastly more attractive when they smile versus when they don't, while with others it doesn't make a lot of difference.  Of course the results are in the eye of the beholder.  Of the ones where it does make a difference, a habit of frowning, smirking, or otherwise keeping an unpleasant look can move the needle notably over time.

It is, however, an open question of how much this works the other way.  That is, when someone is a narcissistic sociopath, and you know it, it is unlikely for that person to appear attractive to you, either subjectively or even semi-objectively.  If nothing else, whatever flaws they may have in that department are likely to stand out, even if they didn't before. It's extremely difficult to think of someone as attractive when you can hear the ugly coming out of their mouth, nonstop. 
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Mistwell on September 27, 2021, 06:32:58 PM
On the topic of "spotting the crazy" I think of Trysta Krick, a sports reporter who is a Phoenix Suns fan (NBA):

1) Can you spot the crazy?
2) Do you find the crazy appealing?

This is a video on one of her tweets:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1413378652142776322
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Willmark on September 27, 2021, 09:26:36 PM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 28, 2021, 08:14:27 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.
And some of us have the death sentence in twelve systems! :D
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RandyB on September 28, 2021, 08:17:23 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.

Unless its under the table. Poor Greedo....
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Reckall on September 28, 2021, 08:46:30 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.

Unless its under the table. Poor Greedo....

Time for a T-shirt with "Pundit shoot first".
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Willmark on September 28, 2021, 08:55:52 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.

Unless its under the table. Poor Greedo....
He had it coming.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 28, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
What happens under the table, stays under the table.

- Mos Eisley Proverb
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 28, 2021, 01:17:08 PM
What happens under the table, stays under the table.

- Mos Eisley Proverb
Unless you use high-explosive grenade rounds. Then it's all OVER the place.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: thedungeondelver on September 28, 2021, 11:06:02 PM
What happens under the table, stays under the table.

- Mos Eisley Proverb
Unless you use high-explosive grenade rounds. Then it's all OVER the place.

This poster is my kind of scum.  Inventive and ruthless.  Thirty five thousand - plus your life.  Ho hoo hooo
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: RandyB on September 29, 2021, 08:33:10 AM
Long discussion on ENWorld.

It was ok to disparage the people she accuses but not question her motives or behavior. 

Note in the former case there were allegations…in the latter she created a record to review first hand.
I used to be an active poster on ENWorld, but I finally left the site for good earlier this year after growing tired of the leftwing politics and the one-sided moderation. People make fun of RPGnet on this site, but ENWorld is not far behind in becoming a leftwing echo chamber.

Also, first post here. Hello, everybody.
Welcome to Mos Eisley.

Blaster shots come from the front here. You might get fried, but at least you see it coming.

Unless its under the table. Poor Greedo....
He had it coming.

#Greedodidnothingwrong
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Ghostmaker on September 29, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
What happens under the table, stays under the table.

- Mos Eisley Proverb
Unless you use high-explosive grenade rounds. Then it's all OVER the place.

This poster is my kind of scum.  Inventive and ruthless.  Thirty five thousand - plus your life.  Ho hoo hooo
Sorry, I was working on upgrading my Combat Cyborg in Savage Worlds Rifts the other night. He likes using a grenade launcher loaded with high-ex.

But I get the reference. :) Sadly, no thermal detonators in Rifts -- yet.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 29, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
I'm pretty confident your Borg with HE grenades doing Megadamage would have leveled the cantina.

MD do what MD do.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: HappyDaze on September 29, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
I'm pretty confident your Borg with HE grenades doing Megadamage would have leveled the cantina.

MD do what MD do.
I recall seeing a player in Star Wars Galaxies pull an AT-ST out of his datapad for a bar fight...

Stupid online games.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on September 29, 2021, 02:18:29 PM
I had instant flashbacks of the Gamers thief... backstabbing with a trebuchet.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Omega on October 01, 2021, 07:43:15 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, but there's no sign of crazy in the photos pictured.  Making this a discussion about looks rather than behavior absolutely validates her points about misogyny in the workplace.

Off topic, kinda, but I've seen several players current and exs who were all over the place in how well they concealed or did not their madness and hate.

Its pretty much what D&D charisma is all about. You might look beautiful. But your personality can literally radiate hate.

People like Price and Sarkesian and others have a tendency to telegraph that they are false. Sarkesian in particular telegraphs she is a liar with nearly every word. But most just dont pick up on it. My mom and my aunt though were ridiculously good at covering to the point I did not know the scope of what was going on till after the fact. Neither of them telegraphed that they were being deceptive.

And it does mar her looks when the mask falls off. Which is what posters here are mostly picking up on. Something feels off.

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Trond on October 01, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, …….

What is it with MRAs that get people going like this? I mean, isn’t Cassie Jaye, those “honey badger” people, and maybe even Christina Hoff summers technically all MRAs, even if some call themselves feminists as well?
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Shasarak on October 01, 2021, 08:08:06 PM
I don't know Jessica Price. 

But as anyone who has an ex-girlfriend knows, you can't spot crazy.  I mean, tin-foil hat or MRA shirt might give it away, …….

What is it with MRAs that get people going like this? I mean, isn’t Cassie Jaye, those “honey badger” people, and maybe even Christina Hoff summers technically all MRAs, even if some call themselves feminists as well?

I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that deadDMwalking cant spot crazy!

Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Novastar on October 03, 2021, 03:09:44 AM
I had instant flashbacks of the Gamers thief... backstabbing with a trebuchet.
I thought it was a ballista...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: palaeomerus on October 03, 2021, 06:38:28 PM
First game to ever end in a total player wipe.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: Novastar on October 03, 2021, 10:10:22 PM
First game to ever end in a total player wipe.
The Barbarian player lived, since he bounced early...
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: tenbones on October 05, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
I had instant flashbacks of the Gamers thief... backstabbing with a trebuchet.
I thought it was a ballista...

I think you're right.

I need to update my tables. Now all my thief players will have to switch weapons.
Title: Re: Jessica Price goes ballistic on Paizo
Post by: HappyDaze on October 05, 2021, 10:49:49 AM
I had instant flashbacks of the Gamers thief... backstabbing with a trebuchet.
I thought it was a ballista...

I think you're right.

I need to update my tables. Now all my thief players will have to switch weapons.
If they're playing 5e, I'm sure they were already using ballistae to take advantage of Crossbow Expert (for the BA attack with the offhand ballista).