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Author Topic: Jeremy Crawford on D&D Races Going Forward  (Read 13321 times)

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« Reply #210 on: July 01, 2020, 10:42:25 PM »
Maybe we can save Oriental Adventures through reverse psychology?  Japan's history of war crimes against civilian populations and China's ongoing human rights abuses mean they need to be cancelled as cultural influences.  OA should be dropped so D&D can be protected from such harmful influences.

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« Reply #211 on: July 02, 2020, 10:24:20 AM »
Half the SJW cult think that China's human rights abuses are either just and right because its what they do to people too. Or they dismiss it as just nasty rumors spread by toxic white males to discredit poor helpless China! Think of the heathen Chinese!

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« Reply #212 on: July 02, 2020, 10:34:07 AM »
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Pretty soon this "cultural war" is just going to be "war".


That is pretty silly talk. We got through the Vietnam war, I doubt we're going to fall apart over pop culture hysteria.

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« Reply #213 on: July 02, 2020, 10:40:15 AM »
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That is pretty silly talk. We got through the Vietnam war, I doubt we're going to fall apart over pop culture hysteria.

Except that politics is downstream from culture. And this goes a bit deeper than just pop culture hysteria. You've got people who absolutely believe -- believe like Alex Jones believes in chemtrails -- that we must expurgate every trace of 'problematic' material, past and present, from our lives. Even if it defies logic or reality.

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« Reply #214 on: July 02, 2020, 10:58:03 AM »
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Except that politics is downstream from culture.

That actually sounds a lot like the Marxist-Leninist line on the Superstructure to me and history has proven it to be nonsense.

The far left were far more extreme in the 60s and 70s, many have forgotten that and believe it was all about hippies but the Weathermen, Black Liberation Army, Symbionese Liberation Army and FALN were all active and killing people at the time. There was far left and far right terrorists in Europe as well. Most of the mass shootings in the US recently have been far right extremists.

Today's street fighting between far right and left needs to be cracked down on but it is no where near what we saw back then.

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« Reply #215 on: July 02, 2020, 11:09:26 AM »
Crawford has followed this up with a post on alignment.

I think it's safe to say that we're shaping up for a 'more enlightened' 5.5 at least.

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« Reply #216 on: July 02, 2020, 11:29:21 AM »
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That is pretty silly talk. We got through the Vietnam war, I doubt we're going to fall apart over pop culture hysteria.

Then take a nice walk in any city where this "pop culture hysteria" has taken root. Or try to buy legitimately any game they have, or will get removed and if possible erased.

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« Reply #217 on: July 02, 2020, 12:02:26 PM »
As I have said before:  I really hope they go ahead with a 5.5 or a 6 or whatever.

It will be a clear line for me.  I can happily move forward with what I have.

I would also like the experiment to fail and see them "bring back" devils and demons again (figuratively) after they see sales decline.

Realistically though, the dip in sales will probably just be seen as an inevitable regression to the mean after 5e sold like hot cakes.  I doubt they go broke after getting woke and hence bet this wussification is here to stay...
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« Reply #218 on: July 02, 2020, 04:53:26 PM »
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That is pretty silly talk. We got through the Vietnam war, I doubt we're going to fall apart over pop culture hysteria.

  Common misconception is that which does not kill you makes you stronger.  Sometimes it just beats you down and makes you weaker for the next ordeal.  After enough of them, well.......

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« Reply #219 on: July 03, 2020, 12:07:28 PM »
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I would also like the experiment to fail and see them "bring back" devils and demons again (figuratively) after they see sales decline.


Not sure what you mean here, there are lots of Demons and Devils in 5e.

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« Reply #220 on: July 03, 2020, 01:17:54 PM »
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As I have said before:  I really hope they go ahead with a 5.5 or a 6 or whatever.

It will be a clear line for me.  I can happily move forward with what I have.

I would also like the experiment to fail and see them "bring back" devils and demons again (figuratively) after they see sales decline.

Realistically though, the dip in sales will probably just be seen as an inevitable regression to the mean after 5e sold like hot cakes.  I doubt they go broke after getting woke and hence bet this wussification is here to stay...

I find it interesting that a company would be willing to say "Yup, we had this wildly successful and profitable thing going. Now let's do the complete opposite, that should be even more profitable." You would think it would never happen in a rational organisation... but it inevitably does, and most companies do not even learn from it after their plans crash and burn.
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« Reply #221 on: July 03, 2020, 05:39:19 PM »
The goal of SJW's isn't to solve racial problems, but to create them. That is why appeasement never works, because the more you bow down to them and give them what they want, the more racism they have to find. Does that mean that none of the specific topics that they bring up are completely without basis? No, not necessarily. Maybe there are certain aspects of some piece of fiction that could be legitimately be called racist, usually in some trivially minor way. Is it a little bit racist that in World of Warcraft that humans have European style architecture while Trolls have a Jamaican accent and Central American pyramids? Maybe slightly, but does that actually hurt anybody? No, not at all. Is the depiction of orcs in fantasy in any way responsible for black people being poorer than whites or them getting killed by police? No, those things are far more the result of black people's behavior and the conditions created by left wing policies which reign supreme in big cities.

Finding or imagining micro-aggressions is just the way that left wing extremists wage their culture war, it is the casus belli for their war on whites, America, and Western civilization itself.

So, as we see the fantasy (and sci-fi, RPG, geeky, etc.) community bend over backwards to address these imagined evils, expect to see the SJW's become even more extreme and find even more outlandish things to be outraged over.

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« Reply #222 on: July 03, 2020, 07:19:29 PM »
I'm beginning to think that depiction of orcs in my next fantasy setting needs to be scrawny pasty-faced humanoids. They are androgynous, with little observable sexual dimorphism beneath their cultural attire of black hoods and masks. A variety of clubs and chains are their racial weapons of preference. Their language sounds like shrieking gibberish to outsiders. They regularly work as mercenaries for evil overlords who pay them to make swarm attacks on cultural landmarks of the overlord's enemies and generally incite terror in the populace in preparation for conquest.

Too on the nose?

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« Reply #223 on: July 03, 2020, 08:03:10 PM »
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I'm beginning to think that depiction of orcs in my next fantasy setting needs to be scrawny pasty-faced humanoids. They are androgynous, with little observable sexual dimorphism beneath their cultural attire of black hoods and masks. A variety of clubs and chains are their racial weapons of preference. Their language sounds like shrieking gibberish to outsiders. They regularly work as mercenaries for evil overlords who pay them to make swarm attacks on cultural landmarks of the overlord's enemies and generally incite terror in the populace in preparation for conquest.

Too on the nose?

Orcs are savages that want to tear down civilization even if doing so means that they all eventually starve.  I think you are onto a good idea!