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Author Topic: Jeremy Crawford on D&D Races Going Forward  (Read 13317 times)

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« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2020, 06:11:19 PM »
I am kicking myself for not having Benny Hill or Monty Python on DVD set now, and I have been trying to get my (legal) .pdfs of TSR/WW stuff. But yeah, DriveThruRPG without competition or an iron clad commitment to keep content up is worrisome. Speculative market for my precious box sets will only get worse from here. :(

But that also makes the bargain hunting all the more keen! :) Buy physical copies and store spare .pdfs in thumbdrives for your fireboxes! :p
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« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2020, 06:22:02 PM »
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On a slightly related note, Ryo Mizuno, author of the manga/anime Record of the Lodoss War, made a tweet expressing concern, based on the episode of Community that was recently memory holed, that the entire concept of dark elves might soon be considered racist resulting in his old manga getting the same treatment. This, of course, is the logical conclusion of the entire "evil races" line of thinking we are seeing today.

https://twitter.com/rayforcegame/status/1277189790857756672

  I guess Goblin Slayer is basically Hitler at this point.

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« Reply #197 on: June 29, 2020, 10:26:23 AM »
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On a slightly related note, Ryo Mizuno, author of the manga/anime Record of the Lodoss War, made a tweet expressing concern, based on the episode of Community that was recently memory holed, that the entire concept of dark elves might soon be considered racist resulting in his old manga getting the same treatment. This, of course, is the logical conclusion of the entire "evil races" line of thinking we are seeing today.

https://twitter.com/rayforcegame/status/1277189790857756672

Wait til they discover "Good Guys Wear Black", 'Batman', and 'Darth Vader' are all white guys dressed in black.

So now any negative connotation to the physical appearance of "darkness" in any association with 'negativity' even as an objective truth "Black Holes are singularities from which light can't escape" - are all racist.

Thanks WotC. How many corollaries of this insanity will fundamentally change D&D ultimately by this logic?

No more Ninja in Kara-tur? Can't have black pajamas on assassins.
No more Duergar? Evil slave-economy dark-skinned dwarves.
No more Jolly Roger flags... that black background is offensive.
No more Spelljammer. Too much black in space where evil shit lives.
No more Necromancy. Too much edgelord black robes, and black-colored spell-effects.
No more Evards Black Tentacles? Clearly racist and allusion to the enslavement of Africans from centuries ago.
No more Evil. Because you know... we're all on a spectrum.
No more Anti-Paladins - see above.
No more Negative Plane in fact. It's always portrayed as dark.
No more Shadowvar. Shades.Prolly throw Wraiths and Spectres in there too.

this is kinda fun!

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« Reply #198 on: June 29, 2020, 10:58:09 AM »
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Hold onto your old books, friends.  It will get worse before better.

It's sad.  Gygax made some cool stuff.  The terminally sensitive will break all of our toys if allowed.  What's next?

If they have their way then the next step is to make possession of these "problematic" materials illegal.

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« Reply #199 on: June 29, 2020, 04:23:14 PM »
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On a slightly related note, Ryo Mizuno, author of the manga/anime Record of the Lodoss War, made a tweet expressing concern, based on the episode of Community that was recently memory holed, that the entire concept of dark elves might soon be considered racist resulting in his old manga getting the same treatment. This, of course, is the logical conclusion of the entire "evil races" line of thinking we are seeing today.

https://twitter.com/rayforcegame/status/1277189790857756672

Yeah I bought the blue ray series real quick when I heard about that.  Get physical copies while you still can people.

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« Reply #200 on: June 29, 2020, 04:35:08 PM »
Honestly, if it gets to the point where they are censoring things like this to the point where owning them is illegal, man, we might as well just have our civil war. Until then, there are enough people to keep the old spirit alive I think. SJWism was basically almost dead, at the very least quiet, until this recent current salvo we're experiencing.

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« Reply #201 on: June 29, 2020, 05:23:32 PM »
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No more Ninja in Kara-tur? Can't have black pajamas on assassins.


How about they just remove the book altogether?

https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?42271-Now-they-are-coming-for-your-old-rulebooks
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« Reply #202 on: June 29, 2020, 06:49:12 PM »
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If they have their way then the next step is to make possession of these "problematic" materials illegal.


And of course all those illegal materials will need to be collected. Then burned.

Hmmm, where have we seen that before?

Pretty soon this "cultural war" is just going to be "war".
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« Reply #203 on: June 29, 2020, 10:03:18 PM »
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My prediction: 6E will be about using the powers of Chaos and Hell to rally the 'dispossessed' humanoid races, overthrow the oppressive Lawful white human order, and establish a revolutionary society.

;)


So just like real life.

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« Reply #204 on: June 30, 2020, 03:13:42 AM »
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If they have their way then the next step is to make possession of these "problematic" materials illegal.


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« Reply #205 on: June 30, 2020, 10:08:49 AM »
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Honestly, if it gets to the point where they are censoring things like this to the point where owning them is illegal, man, we might as well just have our civil war. Until then, there are enough people to keep the old spirit alive I think. SJWism was basically almost dead, at the very least quiet, until this recent current salvo we're experiencing.

  Those people were for sure networking and emailing and just waiting for any trigger they could find.  It is what they do 24/7.  Expanding unemployment to people who have never had a job and sending out stimulus checks just created a super easy way to fund "protesting".

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« Reply #206 on: June 30, 2020, 10:21:06 AM »
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How about they just remove the book altogether?

https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?42271-Now-they-are-coming-for-your-old-rulebooks

... yeah even my idiotic sarcasm is fodder for their "genius".

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« Reply #207 on: June 30, 2020, 11:46:06 PM »
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Theres allready been calls to make the LOTR reboot more "diverse". They wanted that for the last set of movies. Now they want Gandalf to be a woman, its too "white"... yadda yadda the same damn spiel.


Isn't that basically cultural appropriation?

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« Reply #208 on: July 01, 2020, 05:43:24 AM »
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Isn't that basically cultural appropriation?


Only when they want it to be.

Today its "inclusion!"

Tomorrow its "tokenism!"

And the day after its "appropriation and blackfacing or blacksplotation!!!!!!!!"

And then some new hallucination.

Same with RPGs and other games. You are damned if you do. Damed if you dont. Damned if you fix it. Damned if you fixed it better. and so on ad nausium.

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« Reply #209 on: July 01, 2020, 01:23:53 PM »
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I actually had no idea that "Always Chaotic Evil" was a common trope in most people's games. Even Gary Gygax had Leda the Eclavadra (Drow high priestess) clone whose different nurture meant she turned out Good instead of Evil.

I suspect in the future we will have mostly Warcraft-style Orcs too, but personally I'm more on a pig-faced Orc kick right now.


Al-Qadim also was a setting where orcs, goblins etc mixed freely with the standard D&D races in the cities.

Most of these 'critics' seem to be attacking cliches that are more in their own minds rather than in the game itself. No one is forcing anyone to play super vanilla D&D.