Quote from: SavageSchemer;1135732In the next version of D&D, the only villains allowed in the game will white heterosexual males from male dominated, colonial societies. There will, therefore, be no need for a Monster Manual. Wizards of the Coast will instead publish Danathar's Guide to Diversity, in which a great many "progressive" societies are detailed, but you'll ever only need to read exactly one of them because they'll all be precisely identical. At lower levels, the game will be about killing all the aforementioned white males and taking their stuff. At epic levels, it'll be about finding Progressives that transgress the Grand and Blessed Church of Purity in some extremely minor way, and utterly destroying their lives.

  Now, now. I'm sure they'll allow you to fight elves and angels. And you'll need stats for your goblin, demonic and diabolic allies, too.

Welp, I'm officially never supporting Wizards of the Coast ever again

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1136116Now, now. I'm sure they'll allow you to fight elves and angels. And you'll need stats for your goblin, demonic and diabolic allies, too.

No they won't, well maybe angels, because they have been contacted by "neo pagans" in regards to the representation and stats of elves, dwarves, etc...

I wish I was kidding.

Edited to add:

In the same conversation where they say that they also say this will be in 6e.

So 6e confirmed in the works, any bets as to how woke will it be?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1136124So 6e confirmed in the works, any bets as to how woke will it be?

So woke that it kills the line and they'll blame the hateful white males for not buying books that say white males are evil and need to die.

I'll further predict that they go even more crazy when the Paizo/Pathfinder phenomenon repeats; only this time the draw will be that the company/system that's close enough to 5e is apolitical and only talks about game mechanics.

Quote from: Chris24601;1136149So woke that it kills the line and they'll blame the hateful white males for not buying books that say white males are evil and need to die.

I'll further predict that they go even more crazy when the Paizo/Pathfinder phenomenon repeats; only this time the draw will be that the company/system that's close enough to 5e is apolitical and only talks about game mechanics.

Then it's gonna be some company other than Paizo/Pathfinder to do it this time around, cuz they changed the term for "Races" to "Ancestry" in their current edition, cuz the word "race" is problematic. And they just released a statement about their next upcoming adventure path apologizing that characters get to play as detectives working for the city watch in it, cuz obviously all cops are bad now, cuz BLM, so the only conceivable reason for policing is to be a fascist, not to stop a string of murders going on.

Is there even a solid 5e alternative right now?

Quote from: Chris24601;1136149So woke that it kills the line and they'll blame the hateful white males for not buying books that say white males are evil and need to die.

I'll further predict that they go even more crazy when the Paizo/Pathfinder phenomenon repeats; only this time the draw will be that the company/system that's close enough to 5e is apolitical and only talks about game mechanics.

My friend hopes this is cyclical and believes a push back will happen; 7th edition may end up OK.

I played 1st edition primarily for many years.  If they make game decisions based on politics I will vote with my wallet. I have a long memory and can outlast this 'movement.'

I think if WotC release a shitty 6e I'll continue my 5e campaigns to their natural conclusions then play OSR and Mini Six. Maybe I'll just play 1e/OSRIC for the next 20 years. Never have to worry about Culture War bollocks that way. I have a gorgeous good-hearted girlfriend, great friends, a son who loves me and a kickass lawyer. We may be in a new Dark Age but I think I'll be ok.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1136150Then it's gonna be some company other than Paizo/Pathfinder to do it this time around, cuz they changed the term for "Races" to "Ancestry" in their current edition, cuz the word "race" is problematic. And they just released a statement about their next upcoming adventure path apologizing that characters get to play as detectives working for the city watch in it, cuz obviously all cops are bad now, cuz BLM, so the only conceivable reason for policing is to be a fascist, not to stop a string of murders going on.

That's why I said "Paizo/Pathfinder PHENOMENON" It won't be Paizo/PF this time, but there will be some other company that sees the market opportunity of appealing to those who feel excluded by the new edition and goes after it.

QuoteIs there even a solid 5e alternative right now?

Was there a solid alternative to the impending 4E in 2007?

I've brought up the debacle of Arcanis trying write its own system before (and being very bad at math), but the only reason they even tried in the first place was because when news of 4E and the GSL came out, they didn't want to be stuck selling supplements to a system that you could only get the core books for in a used bookstore. They felt they needed to build their own system then because 3e was done and buried and they didn't want to be stuck with 4E's GSL (the truly funny thing in hindsight was that if WotC hadn't ditched the OGL for the GSL and pulled Paizo's license for Dragon and Dungeon magazines, Pathfinder would have been a 4E setting... WotC literally created their own worst enemy).

There was no obvious contender to 4E at that point. I was actually involved in the game industry at the time doing ancillary products and none of the insiders at the time thought Pathfinder was going to be anything but a niche product for a few disgruntled holdouts. No one in their wildest dreams in 2007 when 4E was announced thought Pathfinder would be outselling D&D in just a few years.

Essentially, there won't be a solid alternative until there's a NEED for a solid alternative.

I can also see the prospect of history repeating itself with a GSL type move for 6e too; only this time it will be done as a means to limit the "problematic" material that third-parties can produce using the core of their super-woke game rather than 4E's move to try and capture more of the market in a bid to reach major brand status at Hasbro. SJWs are bad at learning from history; mostly because they keep tearing it down and rewriting it to fit their narrative.

Quote from: Lord Hobie;1135005I don't trust grown men with Tintin haircuts.

This made me belly laugh.

Quote from: S'mon;1136190I think if WotC release a shitty 6e I'll continue my 5e campaigns to their natural conclusions then play OSR and Mini Six. Maybe I'll just play 1e/OSRIC for the next 20 years. Never have to worry about Culture War bollocks that way. I have a gorgeous good-hearted girlfriend, great friends, a son who loves me and a kickass lawyer. We may be in a new Dark Age but I think I'll be ok.

You are living the dream man

Quote from: Slambo;1136274You are living the dream man

I'm also off work sick with back/pelvis pain inflammation & fatigue (typing this lying flat), but on Monday my lovely amazing girlfriend is getting a swimming pool installed at her new house so I can get better!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: (No, no one else can have her!)

Quote from: S'mon;1136278I'm also off work sick with back/pelvis pain inflammation & fatigue (typing this lying flat), but on Monday my lovely amazing girlfriend is getting a swimming pool installed at her new house so I can get better!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: (No, no one else can have her!)

Okay so slightly less of the dream but you can buy a new pelvis and back wmits 2020 cybernetics should be avalible soon. Just mind the humanity cost.

Quote from: Slambo;1136309Okay so slightly less of the dream but you can buy a new pelvis and back wmits 2020 cybernetics should be avalible soon. Just mind the humanity cost.

Thanks for that!

Quote from: Almost_Useless;1135550One of the things that really bums me out is this feeling that I can pretty much write off any chance of a Kamigawa D&D book or a 5e update for Arabian Adventures.  I mean, if everything is racist now, how do those get made?

They get made by third party publishers using the OGL. Like always.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1136124In the same conversation where they say that they also say this will be in 6e.

So 6e confirmed in the works, any bets as to how woke will it be?

They do not say they are working on 6e.

Link or STFU.