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Author Topic: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon  (Read 9225 times)

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2021, 12:14:08 AM »
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]
Except that wasn't a Pepe the frog cartoon.

Ordinary, bog standard frog.

So frogs are now a symbol of white supremacy? Does Kermit know?

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2021, 01:13:16 AM »
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".

Every instance where someone has been "caught using" it every sane and rational person can see that they weren't doing so intentionally, and that it's the rage-addicted twitter mob looking for a dopamine hit.

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2021, 01:50:42 AM »
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".

White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.

And they do it "unironically".

Yes, and all those concerned with not being seen as a 'white nationalist' should probably stop doing all of those things immediately. One wouldn't want to be a racist.

According to the Anti-Defamation League: "The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention."  They even explain it's a 4chan hoax that white supremacists picked up on to troll the left and add to the joke.  Considering a few responses here, people are still taking the bait.

So being escorted from GenCon or cancelling kickstarters should have had -other- reasons than that.
 

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2021, 02:27:42 AM »
I understand that the actual "white power" gesture as some White Nationalists (I think that's the currrent term) have adopted it relates to the "OK" gesture the same way the British "Fuck you" relates to "V for Victory" --"OK" shows the palm, "W for Whitey" shows the back of the hand. Which is a step further on from the 4chan original.

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2021, 03:12:17 AM »
Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]

It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.



Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2021, 03:27:18 PM »
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".

White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.

And they do it "unironically".

So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2021, 04:12:03 PM »
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".

White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.

And they do it "unironically".

So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...

So you consider anything 4chan says it's a racist symbol to be one? Interesting...

And by interesting I mean how stupid of you.

Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]

It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.



Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28
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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2021, 04:19:37 PM »
I understand that the actual "white power" gesture as some White Nationalists (I think that's the currrent term) have adopted it relates to the "OK" gesture the same way the British "Fuck you" relates to "V for Victory" --"OK" shows the palm, "W for Whitey" shows the back of the hand. Which is a step further on from the 4chan original.

  How many neo nazi meetings do you have to attend to get clued in on the super secret meanings of their hand signals?  Or is this something the FBI lets everyone know, since they are likely the ones funding the meetings and planned events?

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2021, 04:35:13 PM »
Why are racists so stupid now that they need to check their notes to remember what they are supposed to be complaining about?
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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2021, 06:06:14 PM »
Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops.  Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.


Or, maybe we are being lied to.

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2021, 07:15:21 PM »
When actual white nationalists, including a murderer with racist motives, started using it unironically, it stopped being "a joke".

White nationalists breath, drink water, eat, shit and use mass transport too.

And they do it "unironically".

So, you consider the activities you listed as equal to *checks notes* flashing racist symbols? Interesting...

So you consider anything 4chan says it's a racist symbol to be one? Interesting...

And by interesting I mean how stupid of you.

Yeah. Nobody knows about how Pepe the frog was appropriated by conservative and white nationalist groups to troll the internet. Why would anyone mistake a Pepe the frog cartoon as conservative anti-woke symbol? Such a HUGE mystery. Man, these people are truly over-reacting... [/sarcasm]

It was a masterful troll, because everyone has used the OK symbol at one point or another. That was the point.



Next you'll be telling us that drinking milk is a symbol of white supremacy.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/milk-white-supremacy-racism_n_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28

No, dumbass, it's like anything else. The difference between "hailing a cab" and "seig heil" is context. In the case of this fishing game, it may be an innocent image. The artist has said that they just kind of copied the reference material. Bergren's reputation as a dick didn't do him any favors here, the same way Zak S's didn't. I'd be curious as to who provided the reference material. If it was Bergren, I'd suspect that it was chosen on purpose. No way to be sure, though, and I could be completely wrong. The image is being removed from the game in any event. The local Gaming Goat in my town has already changed its name.


Anything can be racist if you jump through enough hoops.  Forget Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees Of Racism.
Example: A Black Democrat (Larry Elders) being labeled "The Face of White Supremacy" in mainstream rags like the L.A.Times, IIRC.


Or, maybe we are being lied to.

To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2021, 07:39:41 PM »

To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.

Yes, the folks trumpeting the ok gesture as 'white supremacy' are very useful idiots. It muddies the waters for other actual symbols.  Additionally, after the Civil War, no slave-owners received reparations. The slave-owners in Washington DC got them in 1862, but no one outside of DC did.  I'm not seeing the radical Republican congress being sympathetic to southern slave owners.
 

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2021, 07:44:23 PM »
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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2021, 07:59:45 PM »
*makes 'OK' signs aggressively at Tubesnake*

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Re: Jeff Bergen of The Gaming Goat escorted from Gencon
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2021, 08:01:54 PM »

To be fair, white supremacy movements have had their own "useful idiots", just as the communists do. If you don't know that there have been people of color enabling or even joining white supremacy movements, I'd encourage you to do some research. It's not unheard of. Not saying Elder is a Nazi, but he's at least a dumbass. When he suggested that the descendants of slaveowners get reparations, he was obviously unaware that after the civil war, slaveowners DID get reparations.

Yes, the folks trumpeting the ok gesture as 'white supremacy' are very useful idiots. It muddies the waters for other actual symbols.  Additionally, after the Civil War, no slave-owners received reparations. The slave-owners in Washington DC got them in 1862, but no one outside of DC did.  I'm not seeing the radical Republican congress being sympathetic to southern slave owners.

Thanks for the correction, but that's too many slavers getting recompense, in any event.

As for muddying the waters, that's the intent when /pol/acks and alt-rightards co-opt these symbols - to give themselves plausible deniability. The Christchurch shooter wasn't using the hand gesture "ironically", and even if he was, that's just the living embodiment of the "joke's on them I was just pretending" meme.
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