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Batjon:
I own both the James Bond 007 RPG and the retro-clone of it, Classified.  I am wondering which one those of you out there that have looked at both prefer? Do you find the retro-clone to be better organization and upgrade or do you still prefer the original?

jhkim:

--- Quote from: Batjon on October 14, 2021, 01:23:46 PM ---I own both the James Bond 007 RPG and the retro-clone of it, Classified.  I am wondering which one those of you out there that have looked at both prefer? Do you find the retro-clone to be better organization and upgrade or do you still prefer the original?

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I've played 007 a bunch, but I've only skimmed through Classified. What I'm most suspicious of is the update to modern day. Obviously, the reality of modern-day espionage is very different from the 1980s, and further, modern superspy movies are very different from 1980s superspy movies. It looks to me like they've done only a very thin job of updating.

When I ran James Bond 007 in the early 2000s, it was intentionally retro in that the game was set in the 1980s and was modeled on the 1980s Bond films. If I was to do a 1980s superspy campaign again, I think I would still use the original 007. It's intentionally and authentically 1980s.

If I wanted to do a modern-day movie like the Daniel Craig Bond movies, I'm still not sure that Classified is the right choice. I'd want to look further afield at different options.

Jaeger:

--- Quote from: Batjon on October 14, 2021, 01:23:46 PM ---I own both the James Bond 007 RPG and the retro-clone of it, Classified.  I am wondering which one those of you out there that have looked at both prefer? Do you find the retro-clone to be better organization and upgrade or do you still prefer the original?

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The original is still available on ebay at reasonable prices. So I would buy that first.

However, no first edition game is without flaws. It would be worth looking into the clone and see which issues they say that they address. Classified is certainly cheap enough it might be worth just getting both and seeing what you like.

hedgehobbit:

--- Quote from: jhkim on October 14, 2021, 01:54:23 PM ---I own both the James Bond 007 RPG and the retro-clone of it, Classified.
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I wasn't able to read Classified but the reviews of it made it pretty clear that only minor things were changed. I ran JB007 for my normal D&D 3e group back in the day. One thing I changed was to switch the success levels so that the best success was a 4 and the lowest success was a 1. This way, I could use the level of success as a "number of successes" to facilitate longer skill tests that require 6 or 8 successes to complete (the "we'll protect you while you hack the computer" trope). I would have liked to have expanded this idea throughout the system where players could spend successes for certain benefits such as doing more damage with a punch or hitting a specific target with a shot.


--- Quote ---If I wanted to do a modern-day movie like the Daniel Craig Bond movies, I'm still not sure that Classified is the right choice. I'd want to look further afield at different options.

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Modern movies have car chases, shootouts, and fist fights, all of which are in the JB007 rules. I'm not sure what you'd need on top of that.

Steven Mitchell:
I only have Classified.  Last time I saw the original was back in the 80's with a borrowed copy.  So no comparison from me.

As for Classified itself, on the plus side, it is a cleaned up, modestly streamlined version of the DragonQuest rules.  Which means there are a lot of details to latch onto.  On the negative side, it is a cleaned up, only modestly streamlined version of the DQ rules.  Which means there are a lot of details whether you want them or not.   ;D

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