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Author Topic: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become  (Read 11646 times)

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #90 on: February 01, 2023, 03:58:19 PM »

Sure, like a stopped clock sees the correct time coming twice a day. When you say everything is wicked, and will lead to depravity, you're gonna come up correct sometimes.

Did your parents have any children that weren’t mentally challenged?
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2023, 04:54:16 PM »

I never looked back.  Their site starts with 5 causes as pop ups, including Black Lives Mater, a horrible charity that keeps all the money for themselves.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2023, 05:40:44 PM »

Sure, like a stopped clock sees the correct time coming twice a day. When you say everything is wicked, and will lead to depravity, you're gonna come up correct sometimes.

Did your parents have any children that weren’t mentally challenged?

You know, just because you can be an asshole here, it doesn't mean you have to.

If milquetoast comments like the Christian bedwetters of the 80's and 90's calling everything evil and wanting it banned, are enough to trigger you, you must be fun at parties.

I'm not going to pretend the censorship and othering of the old school Christian Right didn't happen, just because the dipshit evangelicals of the Church Of Woke are currently doing the same, and (sadly) more effectively.

Yes the pearl-clutchers were right about a lot of slippery slopes...and wrong about a lot of slippery slopes. Because to people with permanently-clenched ass cheeks, the whole world is a slip-and-slide park of danger.

I want censorious assholes at both ends of the horseshoe to leave me the fuck alone to live my life.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2023, 11:40:04 PM »

You know, just because you can be an asshole here, it doesn't mean you have to.

Ditto. Pot, kettle, black.


If milquetoast comments like the Christian bedwetters of the 80's and 90's calling everything evil and wanting it banned, are enough to trigger you, you must be fun at parties.

I am quite fun. But I still call out BS when I see it. You might want to get a colonoscopy for all that butthurt.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2023, 11:40:28 PM »

Sure, like a stopped clock sees the correct time coming twice a day. When you say everything is wicked, and will lead to depravity, you're gonna come up correct sometimes.

Did your parents have any children that weren’t mentally challenged?

You know, just because you can be an asshole here, it doesn't mean you have to.

Then proceeds to ignore his own advice.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #95 on: February 05, 2023, 12:21:00 AM »

You know, just because you can be an asshole here, it doesn't mean you have to.

Ditto. Pot, kettle, black.


If milquetoast comments like the Christian bedwetters of the 80's and 90's calling everything evil and wanting it banned, are enough to trigger you, you must be fun at parties.

I am quite fun. But I still call out BS when I see it. You might want to get a colonoscopy for all that butthurt.

I specifically called out the demonstrable bad actions of a particularly egregious wing of the Christian faith in the past, and you took it personally and called me retarded. Let's not pretend I knocked on your door and took a dump.

You have a massive raw nerve, and I brushed against it. I'm sure you've rationalized your overreaction in your mind, but picture this. I never said anything about you, or about mainstream Christians, and you went straight to personal insults.

I have zero beef with you, but I also call out BS.


Sure, like a stopped clock sees the correct time coming twice a day. When you say everything is wicked, and will lead to depravity, you're gonna come up correct sometimes.

Did your parents have any children that weren’t mentally challenged?

You know, just because you can be an asshole here, it doesn't mean you have to.

Then proceeds to ignore his own advice.

So no problem with him insulting me for no reason, but you turned up to cluck your tongue at me for responding. Seems fair.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #96 on: February 05, 2023, 04:04:41 AM »
I specifically called out the demonstrable bad actions of a particularly egregious wing of the Christian faith in the past, and you took it personally and called me retarded. Let's not pretend I knocked on your door and took a dump.

You have a massive raw nerve, and I brushed against it. I'm sure you've rationalized your overreaction in your mind, but picture this. I never said anything about you, or about mainstream Christians, and you went straight to personal insults.

I have zero beef with you, but I also call out BS.

I've become quite spicy about anti-Christian rhetoric. I hear so much of it and it keeps getting worse and more intense, that I'm fairly sick of it.

Christians aren't the problem in modern society, and even in the 80's and 90's they weren't any near as bad as this current crop of Glitter Trolls, coupled with the power of rampant Wokism, and domination by techbros who are overwhelmingly Marxist in their thinking.

Times are looking pretty dark for anyone who isn't a blue-haired weirdo who thinks child mutilation is gender-affirming care.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #97 on: February 05, 2023, 04:22:51 AM »
I've become quite spicy about anti-Christian rhetoric. I hear so much of it and it keeps getting worse and more intense, that I'm fairly sick of it.

Christians aren't the problem in modern society, and even in the 80's and 90's they weren't any near as bad as this current crop of Glitter Trolls, coupled with the power of rampant Wokism, and domination by techbros who are overwhelmingly Marxist in their thinking.

Times are looking pretty dark for anyone who isn't a blue-haired weirdo who thinks child mutilation is gender-affirming care.

Whereas I have little patience for those who dismiss the Satanic Panic and its aftermath.

I had the misfortune to live through that hell and one of my friends went through so much worse because of one of the local churches.

I'd like to think that these worst case scenarios were few and far between. But I know they were not as few or as far between as I'd like. As of 10 years ago I was still seeing fallout here and there if the Satanic Panic influence.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #98 on: February 05, 2023, 04:42:58 AM »
I specifically called out the demonstrable bad actions of a particularly egregious wing of the Christian faith in the past, and you took it personally and called me retarded. Let's not pretend I knocked on your door and took a dump.

You have a massive raw nerve, and I brushed against it. I'm sure you've rationalized your overreaction in your mind, but picture this. I never said anything about you, or about mainstream Christians, and you went straight to personal insults.

I have zero beef with you, but I also call out BS.

I've become quite spicy about anti-Christian rhetoric. I hear so much of it and it keeps getting worse and more intense, that I'm fairly sick of it.

Christians aren't the problem in modern society, and even in the 80's and 90's they weren't any near as bad as this current crop of Glitter Trolls, coupled with the power of rampant Wokism, and domination by techbros who are overwhelmingly Marxist in their thinking.

Times are looking pretty dark for anyone who isn't a blue-haired weirdo who thinks child mutilation is gender-affirming care.

The wokists are way more dangerous and successful at hurting my freedoms and destroying my hobbies than the everything-is-sinful branch of Christianity ever was, but not for lack of trying.

The wokists have advantages in social media, Hollywood and Silicon Valley that give them an insidious reach the Satanic panic bunch could only dream of. The extreme-Christian pressure was external, wokists breached the walls.

I didn't just hallucinate the Mazes And Monsters hoopla though, or the rulebook burnings. I've met people who had to play D&D in secret, and not from embarrassment.

If you're not a fire and brimstone Christian, you shouldn't take offense at any of this though. Just as I, as an Atheist, try very hard not to be constantly offended when the idea that Atheism and nihilism/wokery/Climate lunatics are inexorably tied, is tossed around willy-nilly on this very forum.

I don't believe in a Deity, that's what Atheist means. Atheism+ is just that, Atheism plus some kind of horse shit. I love America, the rule of law, have a wife and child, help people when I can, and try to find meaning in loved ones and the majesty of the universe.

TLDR anyone, Christian or anything else, can be a dick. It's important to acknowledge bad actors, say "not all, not me" and move on. Oh, and we're all fertilizer to Marxists.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2023, 08:49:56 AM »
I've become quite spicy about anti-Christian rhetoric. I hear so much of it and it keeps getting worse and more intense, that I'm fairly sick of it.

Christians aren't the problem in modern society, and even in the 80's and 90's they weren't any near as bad as this current crop of Glitter Trolls, coupled with the power of rampant Wokism, and domination by techbros who are overwhelmingly Marxist in their thinking.

Times are looking pretty dark for anyone who isn't a blue-haired weirdo who thinks child mutilation is gender-affirming care.

Whereas I have little patience for those who dismiss the Satanic Panic and its aftermath.

I had the misfortune to live through that hell and one of my friends went through so much worse because of one of the local churches.

I'd like to think that these worst case scenarios were few and far between. But I know they were not as few or as far between as I'd like. As of 10 years ago I was still seeing fallout here and there if the Satanic Panic influence.
I won’t discount your experience; just point out that said experience was extremely regional as, in my neck of the woods it was my priest who defended one of my friends from his harridan mother (someone easily recognized today as a Karen) who insisted D&D was a devil worship kit.*

And that was MY experience with the whole deal. It wasn’t the churches (outside of Jack Chick and he said everything, including my Church, was satanic) that were going after D&D… it was the Karens of the day who attended the churches (and invariably jumped from one to the next as each pastor offended her in turn by failing to agree with whatever her interpretation of “Christianity” was) who pushed the matter.

The Karens aren’t nearly so much in the conservative churches anymore… they’ve gravitated to the places that indulge their “more righteous than thou” whims… like the entire Woke spectrum of political activism.

The people behind the Satanic Panic and the Woke cancel culture are largely the same batch of self-righteous harridans they’ve always been… they just switched which organization they’re riding the authority wave on.

Blaming actual Christianity and Christian churches for the Satanic Panic from my experience is like blaming a homeowner for the chaos caused by a drunken party crasher at an open house. The Karens behind the Satanic Panic were no more “Christian” than Judas or Simon the Magician.

* I bring it up a lot in relation to the topic only because it is literally the only example I have in my area. The Satanic Panic just wasn’t a thing here and the one example was was a “known nutter” who got shut down by the priest. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen elsewhere, it just means it was very regional.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2023, 11:24:13 AM »
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Blaming actual Christianity and Christian churches for the Satanic Panic from my experience is like blaming a homeowner for the chaos caused by a drunken party crasher at an open house. The Karens behind the Satanic Panic were no more “Christian” than Judas or Simon the Magician.

Sorry but this is pure No True Scotsman. You don't get to excise bad apples from your collective group. Some groups attract/create Karens at a higher than average level.


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* I bring it up a lot in relation to the topic only because it is literally the only example I have in my area. The Satanic Panic just wasn’t a thing here and the one example was was a “known nutter” who got shut down by the priest. That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen elsewhere, it just means it was very regional.

Well yeah. If one lives in rural Arkansas, or the English countryside, wokery is a mild annoyance one sees on the T.V. If one lives in New York or London, it's an ever present boot pressing down on one's head.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #101 on: February 05, 2023, 12:43:31 PM »
When we started up a gaming group at lunch time in school, we hadn't been running for more than a month or so when some kids parent threw a fit. Complained to the principle that we were doing satanism and witchcraft and whatever else. Thankfully, one of our teachers had gamed in college - he still had the Moldvay basic sets, we later learned. He went to bat for us with the principle. In the end, the principle and two teachers watched us play every day for a week. In the end, they concluded that there was nothing evil going on - actually I think we bored them stupid.

But even with that, we had to agree to not let the kid who's parent threw a fit play, and we had to do it in the library store room, where nobody could see us play. Which actually ended up giving us a bit of mystique, I think, because normally nobody was allowed in there without a teacher. But even still, it was fucking stupid. And outside of school, we basically couldn't interact with that kid anymore. His parents would never let us go to his house, he could never go to ours, never go with us to movies, nothing.

I learned years later that my own mother didn't want me playing, but my dad wouldn't let her stop me - my dad was rabidly pro-reading, and basically viewed anything involving reading books as good. Bless him. But suddenly the fact she aways made derogatory comments about it whenever I got a new book or something made more sense. And I was told not to bring it up with my family.

I know, it's just anecdotes. But I was there, I experienced that shit, and I've got no patience for people who want to try to memory hole it.

I won’t discount your experience; just point out that said experience was extremely regional as, in my neck of the woods it was my priest who defended one of my friends from his harridan mother (someone easily recognized today as a Karen) who insisted D&D was a devil worship kit.*

And that was MY experience with the whole deal. It wasn’t the churches (outside of Jack Chick and he said everything, including my Church, was satanic) that were going after D&D… it was the Karens of the day who attended the churches (and invariably jumped from one to the next as each pastor offended her in turn by failing to agree with whatever her interpretation of “Christianity” was) who pushed the matter.

Yeah, but... It doesn't matter if it was being done by the shepherd or the flock. That's irrelevant. It was done in the name of the religion, which motivated other people who may not have actually gave two shits to join in, because of some ignorant sense of piety or holier-than-thou bullshit.

Blaming actual Christianity and Christian churches for the Satanic Panic from my experience is like blaming a homeowner for the chaos caused by a drunken party crasher at an open house. The Karens behind the Satanic Panic were no more “Christian” than Judas or Simon the Magician.

But it wasn't just Karens. And it wasn't *just* D&D, either, although that tends to be one of the things people remember the most... For a while, it was all sorts of things. Churches would actually have those fucking Chick strip pamphlets. Television preachers would preach against whatever cultural trend annoyed or scared them. And if it wasn't D&D, it was comic books, or video games, or rock and roll music - and everyone had that one aunt or grandparent or something that would get them Christian versions of something. "I know you like music, so here's Godworshipers on Tour!", or whatever. Or know the couple of kids in school who's parents only let them have Christian media. And parents didn't just spontaneously decide Aerosmith or The X-Men were satanic. They were told that by "trusted religious Authorities".

So no, sorry, it's not that easy to dismiss what happened .
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #102 on: February 05, 2023, 01:16:15 PM »
The Satanic Panic experience must have just depended on one's personal circle, because even though I grew up in a small town in the Bible Belt, my experience mirrors Chris'.  I remember getting a few asshole comments from kids at school, but no authority figure -- parents, teachers, or preachers -- ever criticized my gaming in any way.  And I didn't hide that I was a gamer, either.  I do feel sorry for those of you who were persecuted for it, though.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #103 on: February 05, 2023, 01:31:17 PM »
The Satanic Panic experience must have just depended on one's personal circle, because even though I grew up in a small town in the Bible Belt, my experience mirrors Chris'.  I remember getting a few asshole comments from kids at school, but no authority figure -- parents, teachers, or preachers -- ever criticized my gaming in any way.  And I didn't hide that I was a gamer, either.  I do feel sorry for those of you who were persecuted for it, though.

So I guess you just had the newspaper and T.V. news hysteria, Mazes and Monsters, police investigations, and a few shows where a police detective or teacher finds a gaming miniature or rulebook and acts like he just found a serial killer confession.

Come on, man.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #104 on: February 05, 2023, 01:47:20 PM »
The Satanic Panic experience must have just depended on one's personal circle, because even though I grew up in a small town in the Bible Belt, my experience mirrors Chris'.  I remember getting a few asshole comments from kids at school, but no authority figure -- parents, teachers, or preachers -- ever criticized my gaming in any way.  And I didn't hide that I was a gamer, either.  I do feel sorry for those of you who were persecuted for it, though.

Hell, it didn't even end when I was an adult. In college, we couldn't game at our GM's apartment, because his roommate wouldn't allow D&D to be played in public spaces in the apartment. He wasn't saying no guests, we could be over, watch movies, play board games, whatever... but no D&D. This was a grown-ass man, telling other grown-ass men they couldn't pretend to be elves in his presence, because he was scared of the Satan cooties or some shit.