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Author Topic: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become  (Read 11640 times)

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2023, 11:41:07 AM »
I honestly feel like it's back in the 80s and 90s when the Right wing Christians would go absolutely nuts if you dared expressed ideas that went outside of their rhetoric.

The difference is that back then, the people screeching about RPGs were outsiders. Once you got into a group of gamers, all that disappeared. But now, the primary people pushing The Messsge are gamers themselves so there is no way to escape them

Which is why the only new players I allow in my game are people who have never played RPGs before. It is the only way to be sure.

It is more like how the woke work. Fakes from outside white knighting "for your own good!" and doing it to RPGs and everything else they infest like a spreading cancer.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2023, 11:42:48 AM »
They're still outsiders though. None of them are actual dyed-in-the-wool gamers, they're ideologues riding a fad. There's not a one of them that would have called themselves an RPG gamer when the intro to the hobby used to be a middle aged man with a dusty boxed set, and a strange funk.

What we're seeing is equivalent to if the church ladies and evangelical preachers had started playing D&D, so they could destroy it from within.

Some are also hatemongers stirring up trouble just to spread more suffering. Something Awful, 4chan and other groups feed of this like parasites.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2023, 11:44:56 AM »
Note that freedom of religion is apparently NOT a human right to these people as you are not allowed to believe what nearly every traditional religion teaches about the nature of humanity and reality without being canceled by the whack jobs*.

  Now, now. Everyone is free to worship however they like ... so long as they offer the ceremonial pinch of incense to the current incarnations of Caesar, Mammon, Astoreth, and Moloch.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2023, 11:51:22 AM »
This site and rpgpub are the only two sites where I don't have fear of being banned. But because of obvious asshole behavior, but because I dare say anything that goes against the established and rigid dogma that's allowed to be expressed.

I honestly feel like it's back in the 80s and 90s when the Right wing Christians would go absolutely nuts if you dared expressed ideas that went outside of their rhetoric.

Sites like rpg net will literally ban you and invent ways that you violated their "racism"policy. Same with enworld and many Reddit communities.

When the fuck did all this occur?
I don't know about rpg.net, because I never was posting on that site. It was already the case on the White Wolf fora around 2007/2008. And yes nowadays I am only on here and on rpgpub. I also posted on some Dutch sites, but the visiting numbers were so low on these sites that it doesn't really count. I mostly follow 3rik around on the net lol. He is also Dutch and lives not too far away from me, I think. Somewhere around Leiden, I guess.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2023, 03:31:14 PM »
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).

I just joined, because people here said it was laidback. It didn't take me long to be strawmanned and brigaded. Not aggressively (more dismissive and obtuse), but my wrongthink was descended on quickly and uniformly, without a single dissenting voice. Not great.

The site seems fine as long as everyone pretends they're living in the 90's, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is, and not discuss anything more spicy than which game editions are superior.

Link: https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/d-d-is-it-the-gateway-game-for-the-rest-of-the-hobby.8544/page-8 (my post that set things off is post #293)

I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2023, 03:49:08 PM »
There's an old British sitcom, and the theme song has a line "catch the penny, but missing the pound."
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2023, 03:57:18 PM »
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).

I just joined, because people here said it was laidback. It didn't take me long to be strawmanned and brigaded. Not aggressively (more dismissive and obtuse), but my wrongthink was descended on quickly and uniformly, without a single dissenting voice. Not great.

The site seems fine as long as everyone pretends they're living in the 90's, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is, and not discuss anything more spicy than which game editions are superior.

Link: https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/d-d-is-it-the-gateway-game-for-the-rest-of-the-hobby.8544/page-8 (my post that set things off is post #293)

Greetings!

Many of the members of the RPGPUB were banned from here. Others embraced self-imposed exile and went to the RPGPUB. More than a few of them are Left leaning, and many vehemently oppose RPG Pundit. *Shrugs*

The RPGPUB has its own bias and controls speech of the members there. "No politics! Everyone must be happy!" a kind of atmosphere that can seem...artificially happy and dull. Reminiscent of a retirement home stuck in the 1990's.

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2023, 04:19:30 PM »
I actually liked posting there specifically to talk about TTRPGs.

I had a bad back-and-forth with Endless (the board owner) after my prognostications on the Marvel RPG made by Forebeck. And I simply stated I have very good reasons to believe why I thought it would fail. And naturally the discussion turned to me dancing around what I thought was obvious to everyone - Marvel Comics is not an RPG company, and why should we believe a company that has ruined its own IP (BIG WARNING: over politics) would do any less for a TTRPG? He kept trying to debate with me about Marvel Comics, and I kept explaining but I kept having to refer to their political hackery, and then he warned me to stop talking about politics.

So... I figured I'm not going to walk on eggshells there when I'm repeatedly responding to someone asking me questions about things he expressly forbids on his forum. It was annoying.

Otherwise I like most of the crew there. When you can talk about gaming. CRKrueger and Raleel, Tristram and some others, all good folks.

Edit: And I think Endless is fine, but the way it went down between us didn't leave a good feeling with me. But I felt the whole thing would lead to my eventual banishment at some point. So I just excused myself ahead of time.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2023, 05:00:35 PM »
Goblinoid Games has posted a policy that seems to sum up the next phase: "Certain controversial issues are not 'political', but Fundamental Human Rights, and you cannot disagree with us without being a Bad Person:" (Source: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/troll-lord-games-in-no-politics-imbroglio.905957/post-24639623)

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Goblinoid Games' Statement on Politics
I know what you're thinking, "Man, not another ham-fisted statement about politics by a game publisher." Please bear with me.
This is a big discussion with much more nuance than I can capture here. I also don't claim to fully grasp all of the nuance, we can all keep learning. But what I want to say is that there are too many issues dismissed as "politics" to shut down discussion and opinions as if there are two legitimate sides to all of these issues.
What I mean by that is, for example, something like whether we should tax gas at the pump or wrap it into vehicle registration. So in that sense, yes, Goblinoid Games (me) isn't interested in discussing that kind of politics at the game table (though let's face it, game table banter often does stray afield of the task at hand!).
But often what people write off as "merely" politics are actually human rights issues. In that regard, I think those considerations should be taken into account where appropriate.
What that looks like in practice is working to not perpetuate or reinforce lies, bigotry, homophobia etc. To not contribute to the public and systemic forces and beliefs that strive to grind classes of people below an authoritarian boot.
So when I say trans men are men and trans women are women, or black lives matter, I'm not making a political statement. I'm acknowledging that every person should have the freedom to be who they feel they truly are. Or to not be systematically degraded so that society views some people as lesser or inferior.
Because when we refuse to openly discuss those issues we turn a blind eye to the reinforcing behavior that erodes the dignity from people and makes them feel unsafe and rejected by society. Brushing these topics aside because you don't want to tackle them or be self reflective is the same as saying you're content to perpetuate ideas that seek to hurt people. Kill people even. To keep people afraid and uncertain of their places in the world.
Therefore I encourage discussion when these issues come to the foreground, and I hope if I make any missteps people will correct me and I can learn something. Above all I want everyone to know that you are safe here and that I have your back in every way that's in my power. You are valued no matter who you are. You are valued because you are who you are. Human diversity is a beautiful thing when we can embrace it. We should enjoy that richness and enjoy each other.
Thanks for your time.
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So Dan Proctor is Chris Pramas / Jeff-Dee level of woke dbag?

No Dan, trans women are not women, and trans men are not men. Black lives matter is not a statement, or even a slogan, it is an ideological and political movement

who does Dan think he is bullshitting?

I motion that Goblinoid Games is moved to the red list somewhere below Green Ronan and Monkey House games

Note: Tim Snider, the author of Cryptworld (Golbinoid) is also a leftist dbag who engages in dogpiles on social media, so Dan isn't the only one in that organization

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2023, 05:03:08 PM »
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).

I just joined, because people here said it was laidback. It didn't take me long to be strawmanned and brigaded. Not aggressively (more dismissive and obtuse), but my wrongthink was descended on quickly and uniformly, without a single dissenting voice. Not great.

The site seems fine as long as everyone pretends they're living in the 90's, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is, and not discuss anything more spicy than which game editions are superior.

Link: https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/d-d-is-it-the-gateway-game-for-the-rest-of-the-hobby.8544/page-8 (my post that set things off is post #293)

Greetings!

Many of the members of the RPGPUB were banned from here. Others embraced self-imposed exile and went to the RPGPUB. More than a few of them are Left leaning, and many vehemently oppose RPG Pundit. *Shrugs*

The RPGPUB has its own bias and controls speech of the members there. "No politics! Everyone must be happy!" a kind of atmosphere that can seem...artificially happy and dull. Reminiscent of a retirement home stuck in the 1990's.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It felt like being in a room with 1990's Democrats that had somehow been cryogenically frozen until today, and when I posted they acted like crazy old grandpa had been at the gin again, and was ranting about the coloreds or something.

Like I said, not the aggressive excluding of rpg.net, but more a desperate need to keep their heads in the sand.



« Last Edit: January 02, 2023, 05:07:06 PM by Grognard GM »
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2023, 05:54:47 PM »

The one guy that was sympathetic towards TLG in that thread was permanently banned for sharing his viewpoint. The problem I found with RPGNet years ago was you pretty much had to walk on egg shells unless you expressed an opinion that was 100% in line with the moderators' politics. Most of the woke crowd seems to be like this, ban any dissenting opinions until it's a ridiculous echo chamber of thought.

Watching a free society/community dance into satanic panic/soviet union levels of speech suppression has been darkly fascinating to watch happen in real time.

It's been absolutely maddening to see it happen to various legacy communities over the past ten or so years. TBP, Something Awful (once a bastion of early internet creativity, free speech, chaos, and shitposting - now an infested shell) and Neogaf (which has since tossed the SJWs and generally recovered).

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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2023, 06:05:02 PM »
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).

I just joined, because people here said it was laidback. It didn't take me long to be strawmanned and brigaded. Not aggressively (more dismissive and obtuse), but my wrongthink was descended on quickly and uniformly, without a single dissenting voice. Not great.

The site seems fine as long as everyone pretends they're living in the 90's, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is, and not discuss anything more spicy than which game editions are superior.

Link: https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/d-d-is-it-the-gateway-game-for-the-rest-of-the-hobby.8544/page-8 (my post that set things off is post #293)

Yeah... That's pretty much it. Most of the guys there are pretty cool (as I was saying). That said, they have a rather 'flexible' no-politics rule. That is to say, it's fine when certain mods/peeps want to get into it but if you disagree then you're a heretic, and then out come the pathetic ad hominem memes - not really a great way to tackle an argument.

And living amongst the board are some highly woke scold individuals that pipe up every now and then (when they think they can get away with it). But to be fair... they usually get a bit of a warning.

So it's fine if you want to chat about RPGs in general but some subjects are 'more equal' than others if you get my meaning. ;) I also don't trust a couple of the mods on there, tbh. I can't speak for all of them to be fair.




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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2023, 06:43:04 PM »
and rpgpub

Actually, I'll have to disagree with you on the pub sadly. I was banned for basically going 'against the grain' and supporting TDM's Mythic Polynesian release. Now, I did start trolling one mod, but that was only in retaliation for being thread banned and having my posts deleted.

Bun in general the folks who post there are very cool (with the exception of one or two bell-ends).

I just joined, because people here said it was laidback. It didn't take me long to be strawmanned and brigaded. Not aggressively (more dismissive and obtuse), but my wrongthink was descended on quickly and uniformly, without a single dissenting voice. Not great.

The site seems fine as long as everyone pretends they're living in the 90's, so I'll just enjoy it for what it is, and not discuss anything more spicy than which game editions are superior.

Link: https://www.rpgpub.com/threads/d-d-is-it-the-gateway-game-for-the-rest-of-the-hobby.8544/page-8 (my post that set things off is post #293)

Greetings!

Many of the members of the RPGPUB were banned from here. Others embraced self-imposed exile and went to the RPGPUB. More than a few of them are Left leaning, and many vehemently oppose RPG Pundit. *Shrugs*

The RPGPUB has its own bias and controls speech of the members there. "No politics! Everyone must be happy!" a kind of atmosphere that can seem...artificially happy and dull. Reminiscent of a retirement home stuck in the 1990's.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Yeah, I totally agree with you, man... It does feel a bit 'weird'. Reminds me of the Stepford Wives or something. I don't mind their no-politics rule (which is highly selective btw).

I get it. But it's not for me. Originally I had hoped that the pub would be a place for RPGs firs,t obviously, and then you get into some interesting talking points about the hobby (the good and the bad). How can you solve issues if you can't talk about them?? I was always exceedingly polite on there too - until recently. ;)

Besides the usual few bell-ends that you get on every forum, I just detest one or two of the Mods' modus operandi. That is to say, some of my posts were 'selectively' snipped or deliberately quoted out of context (the usual predictable woke-scold tactic). But what irked me were some of my counterarguments, about the mythic Polynesia sourcebook, about it 'doing real harm' (lol) were also deleted. A practice that I find thoroughly dishonest. I was also thread-banned without a word of warning. Which led me to start trolling a particular mod with my signature (which led to my six-week ban).

Two of the dweeby mods started getting personal too. Now, I couldn't give a fuck about personal attacks, but if you're going to do to me, then you can bet your ass, I'll give it back. But I got penalized for it. Double standards eh?

At least the RPG.net mods, while being utter wankers, are at least 'honest' wankers. That is they will tell you exactly why you've been thread banned, etc. As opposed to saying nothing and hoping you won't raise a stink.

Interestingly enough though, I had loads of 'likes' re. my posts in the Mythic Polynesia thread. :) Basically, I had a lot of people agreeing with what I was saying but were obviously not wanting to get involved. I found that very telling indeed. :)




















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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2023, 06:56:49 PM »
Tristram.

Sorry... I can't agree with you on that for reasons that I explained to Shark. So as far as I'm concerned Tristram can kiss my piss (which I told him on the Pub's forum).

I should say, before everyone thinks I'm just a complete misanthrope (which I am). I do like most of the folks over there, and I've enjoyed chatting with 'most' of them. But Shark hit the nail on the head it's an exceedingly sterile atmos.
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Re: It's absolutely insane how suppressive most TTRPG communities have become
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2023, 07:55:43 PM »
Thank God I found this website. For a while there I was about to give up on RPGs due to all the real-world "issues and opinions" that kept affecting RPG companies, sites, and groups.
I just want to be chill and non-woke, and just enjoy myself playing the game. Don't need all the real-world baggage ruining the game for me. I've been trying to collect all the books and materials that I can from before everything was ruined by woke cancel culture. I've been focusing on switching from D&D5e to Pathfinder 1e. I also have Old School Essentials, Basic Fantasy RPG, and Tiny Dungeon. I have a few 5e books I might give away. Mostly I'm just getting my collection together so I can enjoy it in the peace and quiet of my (I hope soon to come) retirement.
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