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« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2020, 07:06:30 PM »
Still off topic, but this may be of interest to people.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0309-covid-19-update.html

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« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2020, 08:00:32 PM »
This is a gaming related review of the spread of the Wuhan Virus:


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« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2020, 03:43:04 AM »
Oopsie-poopsie! Looks like the almighty world-shaking virus is already flopping out in Wuhan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/11/when-can-we-expect-travel-to-return-to-normal-apple-reopens-90-of-china-stores-and-wuhan-closes-the-last-temporary-coronavirus-hospital/#3dbea3e45bc5

But I must agree with the MSM that the coronavirus will have long reaching effects.

As of tonight, the USA has 40 dead and 1660 cases. In the face of these teeny tiny numbers, we have curled into the fetal position as a nation. The long reaching effect is that we have shown every terrorist and enemy government the USA is a nation of emasculated cowards who will piss themselves over a minor event. We've shown everyone that even a minor bioweapon would collapse our nation.

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« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2020, 06:23:16 AM »
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That is why the UK has their police chasing after "hate speech" offenders rather then the obviously less dangerous to your mental health knife attackers that prowl the streets of London.

All because no one ever told young UKers that "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me".  Sad.

And this was an emotional serial rapists flunkies defense of their actions. "Words cant hurt you!"

Problem is. Words can hurt you in various ways when used by someone malicious. Especially those that predate on the trust or affections of others just so they can destroy a person. For fun.

And "cancel culture" is all about harming people with just words.

Storygamers and SJWs have been ruining things and people for years now just with words.
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« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2020, 06:34:05 AM »
And thats how we ended up with our x cards and safe spaces where no one could hurt us with their dirty dirty words.
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« Reply #80 on: March 13, 2020, 06:41:52 AM »
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And thats how we ended up with our x cards and safe spaces where no one could hurt us with their dirty dirty words.

if only those did any good against real threats. There is a difference.

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« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2020, 06:56:38 AM »
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And thats how we ended up with our x cards and safe spaces where no one could hurt us with their dirty dirty words.


Despite what other places like TBP and similar places try to push as the narrative. No gamer is going to show up at most other gamers houses and using X-cards routinely. While expecting everyone else at the table to just put up with the game also continually crashing to a halt. Imo 99% of the time they will be politely or not so politely shown the door or told to mention why the card was used and what is bothering them. Failure to do so and they are shown the door.

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« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2020, 07:43:24 AM »
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Oopsie-poopsie! Looks like the almighty world-shaking virus is already flopping out in Wuhan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/11/when-can-we-expect-travel-to-return-to-normal-apple-reopens-90-of-china-stores-and-wuhan-closes-the-last-temporary-coronavirus-hospital/#3dbea3e45bc5

But I must agree with the MSM that the coronavirus will have long reaching effects.

As of tonight, the USA has 40 dead and 1660 cases. In the face of these teeny tiny numbers, we have curled into the fetal position as a nation. The long reaching effect is that we have shown every terrorist and enemy government the USA is a nation of emasculated cowards who will piss themselves over a minor event. We've shown everyone that even a minor bioweapon would collapse our nation.

You do realize that Wuhan has been under 24/7 military curfew for several weeks now, don't you?
And as for "only 1660 cases"... you also do realize what a 30% average daily increase means if it doesn't change, don't you?

In case you don't...

Day 0 - 1600
Day 1 - 1600 * 1.3 = 2080
Day 2 - 2080 * 1.3 = 2704
Day 3 - 2704 * 1,3 = 3515
Day 4 - 3515 * 1,3 = 4569
Day 5 - 4569 * 1,3 = 5940
Day 6 - 5940 * 1,3 = 7722
Day 7 - 7722 * 1,3 = 10.039
Day 8 - 10.039 * 1,3 = 13.051
Day 9 - 13.051 * 1,3 = 16.967
Day 10 - 16.967 * 1,3 = 22.057
Day 11 - 22.057 * 1,3 = 28.674
Day 12 - 28.674 * 1,3 = 37.276
Day 13 - 37.276 * 1,3 = 48.460
Day 14 - 48.460 * 1,3 = 62.998

I'll leave to you the fun of going on for another two weeks (hint: it's over 2 millions. It reaches 100% infection after 33 further days).

In Italy, we're seeing what the virus can do. If you think it's just a slightly nastier flu, you're in for one hell of a rude surprise.

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« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2020, 10:06:05 AM »
So if I follow your math, and I'm not sure that I did, you're saying that (barring some unforeseen change) in 33 days, or maybe a bit longer depending on where you live, everyone on Earth will be infected by the virus?

So far here, it's just been some mess of people acting like idiots, starting yesterday, after the news reported the crap happening in New York, which on the one hand, reassures me that nobody actually gives a shit about what happens in Washington state, but on the other, depresses me because they care what happens in New York :(

Has it done worse to you, in Italy, personally, or just a larger amount of people acting like idiots?

I think it's just like the flu, but I guess we'll see in 33 days or so, so maybe I'll eat my words then. Comparing it to DnD twitter, I'd say about the same thing, yeah exactly the same thing.

In fact I can't distinguish where something like 'DnD twitter' ends and 'Corona Virus' begins.
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« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2020, 10:38:04 AM »
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I think it's just like the flu, but I guess we'll see in 33 days or so, so maybe I'll eat my words then. Comparing it to DnD twitter, I'd say about the same thing, yeah exactly the same thing.
I assume you've heard the term "going viral"?

This is the old school version. It's a novel disease, so there's no natural immunity to check its spread in the wider population. It's highly infectious -- the Chinese study released earlier in the week showed cases where people were infected by someone 4.5 m in front of them, and 2-3 hours after someone left. It has a relatively long incubation period with no symptoms, so people can spread the disease without they or anybody else knowing. That means it spreads exponentially. Small numbers rapidly grow large, and keep growing until enough of the population has been infected for herd immunity to kick in. While the chance of any particular person dying is small, the fatality rate is maybe a 100 times higher than the normal flu, so the potential death toll is very large. The 1918 flu might have been less deadly, and killed an estimated 50-100 million people. Today's population is 4 times higher.

It can be contained, but only at the very early stages, and it requires strong measures. China succeeded, by locking down entire regions, forcing people to stay home, bundling up medical and sanitation workers in full-body suits, and using trucks and planes to spray down entire cities. In much of the world we're seeing widespread community transmission, where cases are popping up without any direct link to an infected person or cluster, which indicates it may be too late to fully contain in those areas. But a significant portion of those infected will require medical intervention like ventilators to survive, and the numbers can easily overwhelm any medical system in the world, so flattening out the exponential curve can still save lives.
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« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2020, 10:40:28 AM »
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Oopsie-poopsie! Looks like the almighty world-shaking virus is already flopping out in Wuhan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/11/when-can-we-expect-travel-to-return-to-normal-apple-reopens-90-of-china-stores-and-wuhan-closes-the-last-temporary-coronavirus-hospital/#3dbea3e45bc5

But I must agree with the MSM that the coronavirus will have long reaching effects.

As of tonight, the USA has 40 dead and 1660 cases. In the face of these teeny tiny numbers, we have curled into the fetal position as a nation. The long reaching effect is that we have shown every terrorist and enemy government the USA is a nation of emasculated cowards who will piss themselves over a minor event. We've shown everyone that even a minor bioweapon would collapse our nation.


Greetings!

Very true, my friend! It is mind boggling how our entire country is on the edge of societal collapse. While it is always good to be prudent, the hysteria that is being pushed in this country is not good.

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« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2020, 10:47:09 AM »
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In Italy, we're seeing what the virus can do. If you think it's just a slightly nastier flu, you're in for one hell of a rude surprise.

This has more to do with a shitty socialized heathcare system totally unequipped to deal with the demand for treatment than the virus itself.
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« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2020, 10:49:08 AM »
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I assume you've heard the term "going viral"?

This is the old school version. It's a novel disease, so there's no natural immunity to check its spread in the wider population. It's highly infectious -- the Chinese study released earlier in the week showed cases where people were infected by someone 4.5 m in front of them, and 2-3 hours after someone left. It has a relatively long incubation period with no symptoms, so people can spread the disease without they or anybody else knowing. That means it spreads exponentially. Small numbers rapidly grow large, and keep growing until enough of the population has been infected for herd immunity to kick in. While the chance of any particular person dying is small, the fatality rate is maybe a 100 times higher than the normal flu, so the potential death toll is very large. The 1918 flu might have been less deadly, and killed an estimated 50-100 million people. Today's population is 4 times higher.

It can be contained, but only at the very early stages, and it requires strong measures. China succeeded, by locking down entire regions, forcing people to stay home, bundling up medical and sanitation workers in full-body suits, and using trucks and planes to spray down entire cities. In much of the world we're seeing widespread community transmission, where cases are popping up without any direct link to an infected person or cluster, which indicates it may be too late to fully contain in those areas. But a significant portion of those infected will require medical intervention like ventilators to survive, and the numbers can easily overwhelm any medical system in the world, so flattening out the exponential curve can still save lives.

Greetings!

Well, the question arises--seeing that the Corono-virus seems to be growing into a significant threat--and that China successfully dealt with the problem--why don'y we get with the program and do the same thing that China did?

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« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2020, 11:01:15 AM »
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Well, the question arises--seeing that the Corono-virus seems to be growing into a significant threat--and that China successfully dealt with the problem--why don'y we get with the program and do the same thing that China did?

We should have done it last week, and it's a lot harder to impose draconian measures that require widespread public compliance on a democratic nation that celebrates individuality.

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« Reply #89 on: March 13, 2020, 11:20:12 AM »
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So if I follow your math, and I'm not sure that I did, you're saying that (barring some unforeseen change) in 33 days, or maybe a bit longer depending on where you live, everyone on Earth will be infected by the virus?

It was actually "33 further days" and I was talking about the US population (350 million) starting with day 0 = 1600, but the calculation is easy enough to do for any country.

In Italy we have one of the best universal healthcare systems in the world. It has suffered in recent years due to budget cuts (hence the current lack of ICUs in the most heavily affected regions, and the current Lombardy's political head honcho is one of the main culprits so now his crying and barking on TV about even stricter measures being necessary is particularly annoying), but it's still top-notch. You can receive top-rate, up to date treatment worth hundreds of thousands of bucks for free. Do not believe what others will tell you to try and minimize the reality of the situation.

The virus is dangerous to old people. There's no two ways about it. It won't bring any apocalypse because, in 80% or so of the cases, the infection is either asymptomatic (you don't even realize you've it) or mild (flu-like symptoms). But the remaining 20% of the cases is problematic, especially since approximately half of them require hospitalization in ICUs. As I said before, if you allow it to spread, it will quite quickly saturate the capability of the healthcare system. And it doesn't really matter how many ICUs/inhabitant your country has: at a 30%/day increase rate, having the best ratio in the world can buy you one more week, if even that.

I think the choice here, for any country, is quite clear: you can either

A) wreck the economy of your country for 6/12 months to try and save as many as possible
B) shrug and accept you'll lose a lot of elders and a few young ones

I mean even case B won't bring about any particular doom: even if you lose people in the millions, with 90%+ of them being old people in retirement, the production lines won't suffer much, if at all.
Of course, if you happen to be a son of one of the affected elders, or one of the unlucky young ones who draws the unlucky lottery ticket, you might still object to it...


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