A friend from the UK was surprised about the panic in the USA. I assured her that Americans - because our lives are so easy in the modern age - just LOVE to panic and LARP that the world is ending, but there's no need to worry because Americans also don't have any attention span.

Quote from: jhkim;1123417That's over just two weeks. This is not a world-ender by any stretch, but it's a very serious situation.

How many people died of the flu in South Korea in those same two weeks? Or from car accidents?

And were these elderly people? Immocompromised people? AKA, how many of the South Korean deaths were outside of the vulnerable population? That's the number that would matter.

I agree its a "serious situation" from the standpoint we are getting to see how far and wide a bioweapon could spread. We're just lucky that this time its just a +1 Flu. However, the next time we see a virus spread this far and this fast, it might actually be a nasty killer.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1123511How many people died of the flu in South Korea in those same two weeks? Or from car accidents?

The problem is that mortality rate is relative, and this damn virus could bring about an organizational collapse of the healthcare system.

In Italy we have so far approx. 4% mortality (148 out of 3858), with the "average" profile of the dead being 81 years old and with 2 or 3 preexisting conditions. So, from this point of view it should look "safe enough".
However, we also have approx. 10% of cases which need hospitalization in intensive care units. Those are obviously quite limited in number. If the virus spreads, those units will all become full. At that point, the mortality could quite easily jump to 9% since, realistically, most of those requiring intensive care would die without access to it.

Then of course you have ALL OTHER CAUSES of being sent in intensive care which jump up in lethality, as well. You just got a stroke? Oops, sorry, all intensive units are full with virus patients. Sucks to be you.

And this is just from an healthcare point of view. Let's start talking about the economic damage. Tourism is down by over 70%. Hotels, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, gyms, bars, pubs, clubs etc. are all experiencing massive downturns. It's a fucking disaster.

It's interesting and both funny to see Pundit complain about the popularity of Critical Role wishes he had the same amount of viewers then decides to post truly stupid shit like this where Twitter is worse than a fatal virus. Essentially condemning himself to eventual obscurity as gamers won't take someone like that seriously. I'm not a fan of D&D twitter by any means you know I'm also not comparing it say to Stage 4 Cancer.

Quote from: Luca;1123520The problem is that mortality rate is relative, and this damn virus could bring about an organizational collapse of the healthcare system.

In Italy we have so far approx. 4% mortality (148 out of 3858), with the "average" profile of the dead being 81 years old and with 2 or 3 preexisting conditions. So, from this point of view it should look "safe enough".
However, we also have approx. 10% of cases which need hospitalization in intensive care units. Those are obviously quite limited in number. If the virus spreads, those units will all become full. At that point, the mortality could quite easily jump to 9% since, realistically, most of those requiring intensive care would die without access to it.

Then of course you have ALL OTHER CAUSES of being sent in intensive care which jump up in lethality, as well. You just got a stroke? Oops, sorry, all intensive units are full with virus patients. Sucks to be you.

If that's how your system fills ICUs, then healtcare in Italy has some problems that are quite independent of the virus.

Quote from: sureshot;1123521It's interesting and both funny to see Pundit complain about the popularity of Critical Role wishes he had the same amount of viewers then decides to post truly stupid shit like this where Twitter is worse than a fatal virus. Essentially condemning himself to eventual obscurity as gamers won't take someone like that seriously. I'm not a fan of D&D twitter by any means you know I'm also not comparing it say to Stage 4 Cancer.

Greetings!

Sureshot, I think it helps to see Pundit as having a sense of humour. Of course there's no comparison, and it is something of a ridiculous comparison at that. Isn't that ok, though? Part of Pundit's appeal is his humour, his sometimes over-the-top titles and framing and so forth.

*shrugs* I laughed with Pundit about it. His main discussion points are about the toxicity of Twitter.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1123528Sureshot, I think it helps to see Pundit as having a sense of humour.

I think this is the trick to looking at anyone on the internet and not exploding with unnecessary outrage. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I don't expect everyone to be deadly serious at all times (or at any time, really) while on a gaming forum or while making gaming posts. I likewise don't try to be all that serious most of the time in such places either because I'm in them to have fun.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1123558I think this is the trick to looking at anyone on the internet and not exploding with unnecessary outrage. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I don't expect everyone to be deadly serious at all times (or at any time, really) while on a gaming forum or while making gaming posts. I likewise don't try to be all that serious most of the time in such places either because I'm in them to have fun.

Greetings!

Exactly, HappyDaze! After all this time knowing Pundit, don't we expect Pundit to say some outrageous, exaggerated things to make us laugh, or think? I expect some of his video titles to be crazy, so as to gain attention. That's the internet baby! You know? That's how you grow an audience, gain fans, members, and *customers*. Pundit *must* be provocative and a bit crazy all the time to keep the train moving.

Pundit is reasonable, rational, and is also quite funny. I suppose it requires one to watch and listen to his videos and livestreams to get a sense of this.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: HappyDaze;1123558I think this is the trick to looking at anyone on the internet and not exploding with unnecessary outrage. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I don't expect everyone to be deadly serious at all times (or at any time, really) while on a gaming forum or while making gaming posts. I likewise don't try to be all that serious most of the time in such places either because I'm in them to have fun.

Greetings!

Exactly, HappyDaze! I wrote a response earlier, and it seems to have vanished. Well, I agree entirely with you. Gotta have fun, and be a bit crazy!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Shasarak;1123306Suicide is never a nice thing to happen and on the other hand it is something that you can take or leave if you please.

Chinese Corona virus does not care what you feel about it.

Which has nothing to do with the point I'm challenging, does it?

Quote from: S'mon;1123321Twitter has certainly killed many more people in the UK than Coronavirus,

Sources?

Quote from: S'mon;1123321I don't really accept the idea that suicide is a free choice while dying of a virus is not. Cartesian Dualism isn't real, the mind is an emergent process of a physical organism, and when vulnerable people are driven to kill themselves, those who harassed them into suicide deserve blame at least.

Careful there. Almost sounds like you're calling words violence.

Quote from: Shasarak;1123360That is why the UK has their police chasing after "hate speech" offenders rather then the obviously less dangerous to your mental health knife attackers that prowl the streets of London.

What's worse, the UK Police are also #TERFs!

Quote from: jhkim;1123417From personal reflection - I've just been on a work trip to South Korea, where I left on February 17th, and got back to the U.S. on March 1st. (I returned 3 days early because of the epidemic.) At the time I went over there, there were only 30 confirmed cases of covid-19 within the whole country, and no deaths yet reported. When I left, there were over 3000 cases with over a dozen deaths.

That's over just two weeks. This is not a world-ender by any stretch, but it's a very serious situation.

I'm fine with ignoring sensationalist media, but in this case it's not just a media thing. The governments of many countries are taking many extreme measures to contain or at least reduce the spread, based on the health agency reports.

South Korea and Japan are the only places I trust for accurate numbers at this point.

Quote from: Vile;1123432I feel extremely safe in Hong Kong because everyone around me is wearing surgical masks,

To be fair they got a head start

Quote from: Luca;1123520The problem is that mortality rate is relative, and this damn virus could bring about an organizational collapse of the healthcare system.

In Italy we have so far approx. 4% mortality (148 out of 3858), with the "average" profile of the dead being 81 years old and with 2 or 3 preexisting conditions. So, from this point of view it should look "safe enough".
However, we also have approx. 10% of cases which need hospitalization in intensive care units. Those are obviously quite limited in number. If the virus spreads, those units will all become full. At that point, the mortality could quite easily jump to 9% since, realistically, most of those requiring intensive care would die without access to it.

Then of course you have ALL OTHER CAUSES of being sent in intensive care which jump up in lethality, as well. You just got a stroke? Oops, sorry, all intensive units are full with virus patients. Sucks to be you.

And this is just from an healthcare point of view. Let's start talking about the economic damage. Tourism is down by over 70%. Hotels, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, gyms, bars, pubs, clubs etc. are all experiencing massive downturns. It's a fucking disaster.

#This

Quote from: HappyDaze;1123526If that's how your system fills ICUs, then healtcare in Italy has some problems that are quite independent of the virus.

Hate to break it to you, but that's how ICUs will be filling up everywhere.

Quote from: sureshot;1123521It's interesting and both funny to see Pundit complain about the popularity of Critical Role wishes he had the same amount of viewers then decides to post truly stupid shit like this where Twitter is worse than a fatal virus. Essentially condemning himself to eventual obscurity as gamers won't take someone like that seriously. I'm not a fan of D&D twitter by any means you know I'm also not comparing it say to Stage 4 Cancer.

What's even funnier is this thread really belongs in The RPGPundit's Own Forum as it has little to do with RPGs.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1123576Which has nothing to do with the point I'm challenging, does it?

To your point, no it does not count.  2 people out of all the people you know is statistically insignificant.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1123576Hate to break it to you, but that's how ICUs will be filling up everywhere.

Not trying to be funny here, but you're wrong. I say this as someone that has been lead bed manager for an entity (single hospital), alternate lead for a system (five hospitals), and trained up to state-level responses in natural disaster, mass casualty, and epidemic situations.

Quote from: Shasarak;1123585To your point, no it does not count.  2 people out of all the people you know is statistically insignificant.

That's also not the point, as your statement was...

Quote from: Shasarak;1123303No one ever died of Twitter so Chinese Corona Virus is worse.

...bold mine.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1123597Not trying to be funny here, but you're wrong. I say this as someone that has been lead bed manager for an entity (single hospital), alternate lead for a system (five hospitals), and trained up to state-level responses in natural disaster, mass casualty, and epidemic situations.

I truly hope you're right, especially when it comes to NY.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1123601That's also not the point, as your statement was...



...bold mine.

No one has died of Twitter.

Early in the week, my local Trader Joes' grocery market got featured in one of those "behold all the shelves are empty!" apocalypse news stories. LA won't have food or water!! Oh noes!!! So I went there yesterday and the shelves were full and it was a nice shopping trip since I'd estimate we had 20% less retarded customers.

So the virus is already paying me dividends. If the panic keeps going, I'm thinking a Disneyland day would involve barely any lines!

Quote from: Luca;1123520Let's start talking about the economic damage. Tourism is down by over 70%. Hotels, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, gyms, bars, pubs, clubs etc. are all experiencing massive downturns. It's a fucking disaster.

That's far more the MSM pushing the panic narrative than any actual damage from the virus.  

We will see how mighty this virus remains when flu season ends. Maybe it will be the MSM's wet dream and keep rocking the numbers, or not. Either way, Americans are gonna get bored with it in a couple of weeks.

In regards to DnDTwitter, can someone link or post tweets that give us a feel for why its a total dumpster fire?

Outside of meme compilations, everything I've seen on Twitter has been a laughable dumpster fire so I'm unsure what makes the DnDTwitter world even worse.