I am currently reading the Ironclaw game. I'm up to the magic chapter. The rules seem very fluid and dynamic and... complex. Lots of dice rolling, lots of comparing one set of dice rolls to another set of dice rolls. The GM will be rolling a lot of dice per encounter. I think that it might be overwhelming for a GM. Though the game does give a lot of love to the D12.

How is the game in play? Is it actually as complex as I seem to think it is?

I freely admit I like a static target number like the D20 system uses. It just seems faster and more streamlined to me. Am I off here? Is Ironclaw's system really good in ways that I am not seeing? TIA.

Quote from: Tetsubo;406240I am currently reading the Ironclaw game. I'm up to the magic chapter. The rules seem very fluid and dynamic and... complex. Lots of dice rolling, lots of comparing one set of dice rolls to another set of dice rolls. The GM will be rolling a lot of dice per encounter. I think that it might be overwhelming for a GM. Though the game does give a lot of love to the D12.

How is the game in play? Is it actually as complex as I seem to think it is?

I freely admit I like a static target number like the D20 system uses. It just seems faster and more streamlined to me. Am I off here? Is Ironclaw's system really good in ways that I am not seeing? TIA.

I haven't played the new one, which I hear cleaned the game up a lot.  In the old edition, it was actually pretty fluid in play.  I found, as a GM it was easy to have dice of various monochrome sets to be very useful.  I could roll a bunch of dice at the same time for multiple enemies or whatever, and quickly keep track of who was doing what.  

I always liked the game.

Tetsubo, what edition are you talking about, 1st or the recent 2nd edition?

Quote from: Claudius;406399Tetsubo, what edition are you talking about, 1st or the recent 2nd edition?

Revised edition, 2001.

The game in play has far too many Furries in it.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;406553The game in play has far too many Furries in it.

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I really think you need to see someone about this furry obsession...

Quote from: RPGPundit;406553The game in play has far too many Furries in it.

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Anthropomorphic animals can be a problem, I agree.  It doesn't detract from a good game, however.

Quote from: joewolz;406585Anthropomorphic animals can be a problem, I agree.  It doesn't detract from a good game, however.

This. I don't like furries, but I like Sanguine's home system.

Quote from: Claudius;406610This. I don't like furries, but I like Sanguine's home system.

Why the furry hate?

I liked them when I was a kid (Disney's Robin Hood was the main reason I even looked at Iron Claw), but I don't understand fetishizing them or treating anthropomorphic races as anything different than pretending to be an elf.

I'd rather be a wolfman than an elf anyway.

Quote from: joewolz;406611Why the furry hate?

I liked them when I was a kid (Disney's Robin Hood was the main reason I even looked at Iron Claw), but I don't understand fetishizing them or treating anthropomorphic races as anything different than pretending to be an elf.

I'd rather be a wolfman than an elf anyway.

Because there is at least a perception of a fair number of "freaks" in that fandom.

Whether or not that is true or just an internet perception is a different question. See: D&D and satanism, 1980s.

Quote from: Narf the Mouse;406823Because there is at least a perception of a fair number of "freaks" in that fandom.

Whether or not that is true or just an internet perception is a different question. See: D&D and satanism, 1980s.

I understand that there are freaky furry weirdos.  But playing a game with my group (none of whom are said freaks) that deals with anthropomorphic animals doesn't seem distasteful to me.  

Some people are pedophiles, that doesn't mean I avoid children because I don't like pedophiles.

Quote from: joewolz;406828I understand that there are freaky furry weirdos.  But playing a game with my group (none of whom are said freaks) that deals with anthropomorphic animals doesn't seem distasteful to me.  

Some people are pedophiles, that doesn't mean I avoid children because I don't like pedophiles.

Thoughts like that require (un)-common sense.

Quote from: joewolz;406611Why the furry hate?

I liked them when I was a kid (Disney's Robin Hood was the main reason I even looked at Iron Claw), but I don't understand fetishizing them or treating anthropomorphic races as anything different than pretending to be an elf.

I'd rather be a wolfman than an elf anyway.

Hmmm, hate is a strong word, saying that I hate furries would imply an emotional involvement that I don't feel, it's rather that I find them silly. Of course, you're right when you say that by the same token, pretending that you're an elf is as silly or more.

Why then do I always appear in all threads about Sanguine? Because I think their games ROCK, they're not just sorry excuses to show furries, their home system is very solid and fun. In fact, I think the furriness works against them, and that their games are very underrated exactly for that reason.

Quote from: Claudius;406922Because I think their games ROCK, they're not just sorry excuses to show furries, their home system is very solid and fun. In fact, I think the furriness works against them, and that their games are very underrated exactly for that reason.

I happen to agree, but the lack of logic here regarding anthropomorphic animals still applies.  I use the term "Furry" to denote those who have a sexual fetish for anthropomorphic animals.  I use the term "anthropomorphic animals" when we're discussing game design decisions.  

One of  my favorite games is Shard, which also uses anthropomorphic animals.  The designers commented in an interview that they wanted races which would fit their world, but not be too alien to players.  They also wanted a myriad of races to play.  They settled on anthropomorphic animals, but were unaware of the Furries out there.  They've since made a lot of money going to furry cons and selling their product.  However, the idea of using anthropomorphic animals is, again, not inherently distasteful.  I don't understand peoples' (gamers'?) reaction to them.

Quote from: joewolz;406949I happen to agree, but the lack of logic here regarding anthropomorphic animals still applies.  I use the term "Furry" to denote those who have a sexual fetish for anthropomorphic animals.  I use the term "anthropomorphic animals" when we're discussing game design decisions.

I use furry and anthropomorphic as synonymous. Just a clarification.  

QuoteOne of  my favorite games is Shard

I saw it once in a game store. It uses a dice pool, doesn't it?