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Insider Information on the new Edition of Dungeons & Dragons

Started by RPGPundit, May 20, 2014, 04:57:01 PM

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crkrueger

#555
May 26, 2014, 04:57:20 AM
Quote from: Windjammer;752466Soooo.... the 5e roll out strikes you as an actual attempt to retake the RPG market lead?
Maybe, maybe not.  It might be just an attempt to salvage the brand enough to make it marketable in alternate revenue streams, who knows.

Variable rarity miniatures for a roleplaying game is braindead, always has been, unless they intend dual use for something else, like a D&D Tactics based on the core of 4e or the boardgames.

It does seem like it's an attempt to "Unite the Clans" as it were, or at least get everyone who ever played any version of D&D to take another look, and the decent organized-play ground game seems like they're aiming at Pathfinder Society.
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S'mon

#556
May 26, 2014, 05:09:09 AM
Quote from: BarefootGaijin;752422So then. Playing Paizo Pathfinder Society and adventure things with D&D 5E.

Any takers?

If I were to buy 5e it would almost certainly be for running Paizo APs/adventures with it, yup. For me the full Pathfinder system is much too clunky, and lacks 4e's virtue of reasonable class balance. I'm not sure if it's worth learning 5e over using OSRIC/1e, that's why I had been thinking of getting the starter set, to get familiar with 5e and find out if it was worth adopting. With no chargen in the box it sounds as if that's probably not worth doing, though. I should probably trust my instincts and get my 4e group to try OSRIC/1e after our 4e campaign ends, rather than worry about 5e.

S'mon

#557
May 26, 2014, 05:11:01 AM Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 05:13:23 AM by S'mon
Quote from: Saplatt;752423I wonder how many new gamers Paizo's beginner box generated.

I'm sure there were some, but I haven't heard much about it.

If you go to Paizo's Beginner Box forum you'll see a fair number. And a friend of mine told me her 6 year old got hooked on 'D&D' after I ran a Beginner Box game for them a few weeks ago, so there's one. :)

'Upgrading' from the PBB to the (IMO insanely overwrought) Pathfinder Core Rulebook is very intimidating, though. Makes me wonder if the best transition for new players & GMs in future might be from PBB to full 5e.

S'mon

#558
May 26, 2014, 05:16:32 AM
Quote from: Natty Bodak;752458The thing that somewhat inexplicably gets my goat the most is that they seem to be planning to charge 20 bucks for 4 minis in a blind booster.

I say "inexplicable" because minis are more window dressing than requirement for my personal D&D experience. Maybe it's that they have the temerity to call a package of minis a "booster" like it's a freakin' CCG.

This seems like the most obvious naked grab for cash, but if I they make their filthy lucre that way and are more giving with things like free character gen rules that aren't part of some crippleware then maybe I can give them a pass on the mini thing.

The Wizkids Pathfinder Battles minis are priced the same way - ca £13 for 1 Large & 3 small/medium in a blind box. Veeery expensive, but the paint job quality is mostly* very nice indeed, far superior to the old WotC plastic prepaints. I got a bunch a few days ago (three Legends of Golarion & two Wrath of the Righteous) and the cost to quality seems reasonable. Presumably the WotC ones will be of equivalent quality.

*I did have to touch up Queen Ileosa. :D

S'mon

#559
May 26, 2014, 05:23:35 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;752462If lame ass marketing is still marketing, then you are rite. Its almost laughable how badly this launch is going. Oddly, I have never seen any of this clusterfuckery when WotC launches new Magic editions. Clearly, the RPG division is the short bus of the company.

They (M:TG people) seem to be forbidden to talk to the RPG side, given that one lot by all accounts run a professional & successful operation, and the other lot are (in recent years) laughably amateurish at best, incompetent at worst. Maybe there's some issue that MTG staffers get paid a lot more and it'd be an unproductive use of their time to advise on RPG marketing, but there does seem to be some weird constraint. It doesn't help that Hasbro-WoTC seems to consistently fire their best RPG people. If Paizo did that ("Hey Lisa, James Jacob's salary is looking kinda big...") they'd be where WoTC are now.

S'mon

#560
May 26, 2014, 05:26:54 AM
Quote from: Windjammer;752466Soooo.... the 5e roll out strikes you as an actual attempt to retake the RPG market lead?

I wonder about that. I think it might not be. They seem to care more about rebuilding the general D&D brand, rather than their position in the RPG market. Which makes sense - it doesn't matter how many actual comics Marvel sell or don't sell, if their brand strength lets them make tons of money from movies etc. RPGs seem a lot like comics these days.

Exploderwizard

#561
May 26, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: S'mon;752487I wonder about that. I think it might not be. They seem to care more about rebuilding the general D&D brand, rather than their position in the RPG market. Which makes sense - it doesn't matter how many actual comics Marvel sell or don't sell, if their brand strength lets them make tons of money from movies etc. RPGs seem a lot like comics these days.

Precisely. Which is why D&D would be better off with a smaller company. Large companies don't give a shit about the hobby, they just want to squeeze every dime possible out of the brand. Hasbro really wouldn't care if there was a D&D tabletop rpg anymore as long as the brand was churning out MtG money.
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flyingcircus

#562
May 26, 2014, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: MonsterSlayer;750870This.

And I hated feeling like I had to have a computer handy to roll up a character in 4e or even level up. I'm not saying that is the case but I really don't want to even need a PDF or char gen program. That was my one hope, a complete game no computer anything.

sorry, whining like my toddler, I know

Yeah if you need a computer to make a character count me out, if I can't print out a sheet and write one up with a pencil & pen, then its just 4e all over again.  I don't mind a computer generation helper at times but not as a requirement because the games too damn complex.
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talysman

#563
May 26, 2014, 12:24:58 PM
Quote from: Emperor Norton;752389I have kids. The idea of jumping online for something compatible with what they are doing is a non-issue with people who were raised with computers and the internet being as ubiquitous as they are now.

A hybrid product, especially when we don't know exactly how it is going to roll out (is it a pdf? an online character gen? an app?) could be very strong with kids now, especially at a price point so low that parents don't balk.
Exactly. I'm very much about the DIY aspects of D&D, but even I see the mistake many make in this thread of assuming that chargen in the starter box is important for kids or others who have never played an RPG. A couple pregens in the box and a sentence in the book saying you can really play a wide variety of characters, and there are full rules online and in the PHB is all you really need.

Now, whether WotC has actually done this right is a different matter, and one only time will reveal.

Haffrung

#564
May 26, 2014, 01:52:36 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 03:21:09 PM by Haffrung
Quote from: flyingcircus;752518Yeah if you need a computer to make a character count me out, if I can't print out a sheet and write one up with a pencil & pen, then its just 4e all over again.  I don't mind a computer generation helper at times but not as a requirement because the games too damn complex.

Character generation will be in the PHB - same place its been in every edition of D&D. The Starter Set is for total newbs. The confusion over this strikes me as willful at this point.
 

Mistwell

#565
May 26, 2014, 02:25:51 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;752569Character generation will be the PHB - same place its been in every edition of D&D. The Starter Set is for total newbs. The confusion over this strikes me as willful at this point.

It is.  We're dealing with bad faith at this point.  Same sort of passive aggressive bullshit you find on EnWorld and RPG.net, only it's here now, and even some moderators are engaging in it just like fucking Umbran.

One Horse Town

#566
May 26, 2014, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;752577It is.  We're dealing with bad faith at this point.  Same sort of passive aggressive bullshit you find on EnWorld and RPG.net, only it's here now, and even some moderators are engaging in it just like fucking Umbran.

Que?

Marleycat

#567
May 26, 2014, 02:34:22 PM Last Edit: May 26, 2014, 02:37:57 PM by Marleycat
I'd have to agree.

1. It's aimed at DM's
2. It's aimed at newbies
3. It's aimed to immediately grab a group and jump in no instruction needed
4. It's probably best to try with Tyranny of Dragons
5. Character generation will be freely available online at minimum and likely cover levels 1-20.

In otherwords as an experienced player that doesn't DM the game it's not a product I'm interested in or even aimed at me.
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jadrax

#568
May 26, 2014, 03:42:13 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town;752578Que?

I doubt he means you.

S'mon

#569
May 26, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: Mistwell;752577It is.  We're dealing with bad faith at this point.  Same sort of passive aggressive bullshit you find on EnWorld and RPG.net, only it's here now, and even some moderators are engaging in it just like fucking Umbran.

Aw man, that's harsh! Umbran is the main reason I barely read/post on ENW anymore.
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