Quote from: Votan;753294Agreed, but stranger alliances have happened.  Imagine adventure paths having a 5E PDF option.  It might never happen, but I think Paizo would put business success first.  If nothing else it might help make Pathfinder the end of the complexity chain of games.

I don't think this would happen.  If Paizo supports 5th edition, they're encouraging their fans to switch to that edition.  If they only support Pathfinder, people that value the adventures and campaign support products will have to choose - either stay with the Pathfinder products they love or go to 5th edition and forget about that type of support.

It's not in Paizo's interest to fracture the fan base.  Lisa Stevens knows all about this, so I can't imagine she'd move in that direction.  

WotC still has a lot of bad will with the way they moved from 3.x to 4th.  Paizo captured a large amount of good will when it appeared they had been treated shabbily - and they've largely maintained it.  

Ultimately, I'm more interested in a Pathfinder II than in D&D Next.  Paizo has a better track record of supporting their game line.  I was disastisfied with Pathfinder because it chose not to address too many issues with 3.x - but if Pathfinder II is a 'real improvement', I'd be sorely tempted to adopt it.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;753410I don't think this would happen.  If Paizo supports 5th edition, they're encouraging their fans to switch to that edition.  If they only support Pathfinder, people that value the adventures and campaign support products will have to choose - either stay with the Pathfinder products they love or go to 5th edition and forget about that type of support.

Or they can do their own conversion. I'm running Rise of the Runelords in 1e/OSRIC, no problem. If anything it takes less time to restat for 1e than it does to fully read a PF stat block; running PF I often miss stuff.
If 5e is reasonably simple then it could likewise be used for PF adventures.

Quote from: S'mon;753354Their numbered Pathfinder Adventure Path series is actually an expensive print magazine in all but name. It's a brilliant trick. 96 pages, but only half of that is the adventure; it's heavily padded out with fiction, monster write ups, various articles etc. It's basically Dungeon magazine without the ads.

I could definitely see a case for them complementing it with a renewed print Dragon magazine, were they offered the license.

Given that they've stated there would be no way they'd do that again?  I don't.

They've made a number of posts detailing what a poor profit model publishing a magazine provides, and they've explicitly declared a number of times that they have little to no interest in licensed products any longer.

Quite frankly, based on their comments over the last seven years regarding the magazines, I don't even think they'd publish them if they were GIVEN the magazines.  I don't believe those magazine titles hold any value, past nostalgia, for the Paizo folks.

Quote from: Mistwell;753274I was predicting the exact Basic game we got, over a year ago.  I was told it was wishing thinking based on thin evidence back then by pretty much everyone.  I am not going to dismiss this theory just because it's something I want to see.

Ah! So, obviously, all speculation is actually going to happen? That's idiotic. Some speculation is much more plausible. A year ago a portion of the game being freely released was plausible. A marriage between Paizo and WotC, less so. This isn't to say that it won't happen - who knows, stranger things have happened - but that I don't find the speculation plausible, or the argument behind it compelling. There are other points raised that are more believable (like a common webstore), although even there I don't think the arguments given make much sense. We can all make all sorts of wild, speculative guesses; if we make enough of them, some will turn out to be correct. That doesn't really say much about the arguments made for those theories, or evidence presented, beforehand.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;753410I don't think this would happen.  If Paizo supports 5th edition, they're encouraging their fans to switch to that edition.  If they only support Pathfinder, people that value the adventures and campaign support products will have to choose - either stay with the Pathfinder products they love or go to 5th edition and forget about that type of support.

Paizo survives largely off a fanbase generated by another company. Yes, they have great customer support and loyal fans. But RPG players relentlessly attrit away as they get older. How is Pathfinder going to create enough new gamers to replace the ones they're losing every year? The same way every single other RPG does - by selling stuff to bored or disaffected D&D players.

It's in the interests of Paizo that a healthy and successful D&D continues to draw tens of thousands of new people into the hobby. Pathfinder may be well-established in the existing hardcore RPG crowd, but it has only a tiny fraction of the name recognition of D&D. In in the long run, Pathfinder's fortunes are tethered to those of D&D.

Ah alright. Mistwell your of the hook for now. Tired of being lumped in the same groups as some other assholes who are clearly not my kind of asshole.

OGL. I keep hearing it like it is going to happen. I hope so. I sure hope so.

And I think a thriving D&D is only good for Paizo.

Quote from: Bobloblah;753435Ah! So, obviously, all speculation is actually going to happen? That's idiotic.

It would be if that's what I said.

I said I am not going to dismiss it.  I am following the golden rule here - I didn't like it when people dismissed my theory out of hand even though my theory turned out to be true (much later), so I am not going to dismiss out of hand someone else's theory that could be true (even if I think it's unlikely).

You conflating me saying I am not going to dismiss it, with me saying "it must be TRUE!" seems pretty damn idiotic to me.  

QuoteThis isn't to say that it won't happen - who knows, stranger things have happened

Which is my position as well, so I am glad we agree even if you were unaware we were agreeing.

Then why did you take issue with what I said in the first place when you quoted me, you idiot? I didn't start off by dismissing the quoted post out of hand, I pointed out that the speculation isn't based on much (other than what might appear to be wishful thinking). Which it isn't. Holding up the fact that you don't "dismiss" speculation for which there is neither evidence nor much plausibility doesn't make you look virtuous, it makes you look foolish. Or like a White Knight.

I'm beginning to see why you get dismissed as doing nothing but white knight-ing; you can't help yourself, can you?

Quote from: Bobloblah;753582Then why did you take issue with what I said in the first place when you quoted me, you idiot? I didn't start off by dismissing the quoted post out of hand, I pointed out that the speculation isn't based on much (other than what might appear to be wishful thinking). Which it isn't. Holding up the fact that you don't "dismiss" speculation for which there is neither evidence nor much plausibility doesn't make you look virtuous, it makes you look foolish. Or like a White Knight.

I'm beginning to see why you get dismissed as doing nothing but white knight-ing; you can't help yourself, can you?

You did appear to be dismissing it, which is why I replied that way.

To be clear, you and I hold the same position on the same issue, and I am a white knight and you are not.  Is that correct?

Yes, that is. You know why? Because I haven't rushed off to defend the post. To people agreeing with me, no less.

Quote from: Haffrung;752569Character generation will be in the PHB - same place its been in every edition of D&D. The Starter Set is for total newbs. The confusion over this strikes me as willful at this point.

I'm not referring to where the chargen is located, I was implying that if its like PF & 4e where the need because of so many variables from feats, math & spells (aka. Power Cards 4e) are required to be written up and take you a life time to do without the help of a PC program, then the game is too complex and needs to be stripped down a tad, to where a human being can put together a character on a two sided sheet in less than an hour, with just his paper and pencil.

I also noticed, why are they not releasing all 3 books PHB, DMG & MM all at the same time, why spread out over 3 months, what damn use is that to anyone?  I think that is just the damn stupidest thing anyone can do for a game that requires all three books.  

OK I got my PHB, we can make characters but we have to wait until November before we can actually play, thats when we'll have the DMG and MM at last.  Fuckin' dumb.

Actually that was pretty much what happened with AD&D1e.

Best idea? Probably not. But they survived somehow...

Quote from: flyingcircus;753651I also noticed, why are they not releasing all 3 books PHB, DMG & MM all at the same time, why spread out over 3 months, what damn use is that to anyone?  I think that is just the damn stupidest thing anyone can do for a game that requires all three books.  

OK I got my PHB, we can make characters but we have to wait until November before we can actually play, thats when we'll have the DMG and MM at last.  Fuckin' dumb.

Why the spacing? Simple so the books aren't a clusterfuck like 4e and to a lesser extent 3e. Also what part of you don't need the PHB/DMG/MM to play or run the game aren't you understanding? I thought geeks were generally smart and reasonably proficient with computers and the internet?

I kind of thought you'd know about spacing the books out given you're an AD&D player, silly me obviously.

Quote from: flyingcircus;753651I also noticed, why are they not releasing all 3 books PHB, DMG & MM all at the same time, why spread out over 3 months, what damn use is that to anyone?  I think that is just the damn stupidest thing anyone can do for a game that requires all three books.  

OK I got my PHB, we can make characters but we have to wait until November before we can actually play, thats when we'll have the DMG and MM at last.  Fuckin' dumb.

If you hadbeen keeping up with the announcements, then you would know that the basic game would be free and available when the PHB is released.

The PHB, MM, and DMG will provide additional content and will not be required to play at all.