Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 26, 2023, 01:20:35 PM
I wonder if SJG, Goodperson Games and all the wother woketards have removed their support for Burn Loot Murder after the revelation that BLM stands for the genocide of the Jews?

Edit: Typo.

SJG did not.  I saw this on the Illumiator forums, bumped discussion of their #BlackLivesMatter inc. post  I got a chuckle.  I archived it because I knew it wouldn't last long.  (i just checked.  they did definitely remove it.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20231012033509/https://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=168928&page=2

Quote from: Cathode Ray on October 26, 2023, 02:51:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 26, 2023, 01:20:35 PM
I wonder if SJG, Goodperson Games and all the wother woketards have removed their support for Burn Loot Murder after the revelation that BLM stands for the genocide of the Jews?

Edit: Typo.

SJG did not.  I saw this on the Illumiator forums, bumped discussion of their #BlackLivesMatter inc. post  I got a chuckle.  I archived it because I knew it wouldn't last long.  (i just checked.  they did definitely remove it.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20231012033509/https://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=168928&page=2

They removed the post with the cartoon right?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 26, 2023, 03:06:02 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on October 26, 2023, 02:51:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 26, 2023, 01:20:35 PM
I wonder if SJG, Goodperson Games and all the wother woketards have removed their support for Burn Loot Murder after the revelation that BLM stands for the genocide of the Jews?

Edit: Typo.

SJG did not.  I saw this on the Illumiator forums, bumped discussion of their #BlackLivesMatter inc. post  I got a chuckle.  I archived it because I knew it wouldn't last long.  (i just checked.  they did definitely remove it.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20231012033509/https://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=168928&page=2

They removed the post with the cartoon right?

yes.  they probably banned the guy who posted it for a few days too for using politics on the forum.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2023, 11:41:35 PM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 25, 2023, 07:43:50 PM

Quote from: Brad on October 25, 2023, 05:12:47 PM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 25, 2023, 02:00:01 AM
Beyond the absolute misunderstanding of what "gender" is, I'm kinda just pointing my post and wondering about everything.

Kinda sounds like you're bringing the politics in here?

Oh, one of those guys...

In my defense I should not have posted late at night when I was clearly too tired to make any real sense. My bad. While I might have made sense in my head at that time of night, it certainly doesn't make sense to me now.

I will just have to agree to disagree about what gender means. I know what it means from the anthropology side of the world and it is not a synonym for biological sex. Politicians have been mis-using it, particularly those on the right, for decades. Whether that makes it the de facto definition or not is up for grabs, but it would probably explain why there is confusion on the matter.

I avoid using the term at all. Unless specifically talking about the term itself. I use the word "sex" now, and if someone wants to digress about gender, I leave them to it. I'm not interested in discussing gender topics.

Probably a wise move, all things considered.

There is weirdness when it comes to biological sex (intersex), so adding cultural intersectionality probably just FUBARs it all.

I guess my open-ended question, and one that you totally don't need to answer, is whether apathy to engage with a topic is a problem in and of itself?

Ack, sorry. I've spent the last four days at a conference on education and I suspect that I'm dealing with buzz-topics that might not help up to anything than someone wanting to sound cool when they were presenting something at a conference. Womp.

Edit: In fact, don't even bother with this post. I'm clearly burned out on education. Not to say that it's not a cool concept to discuss, but.. yeah.

QuoteI understand.  And if one of these cases turned out to be the situation, would I be surprised?  No.  Ironically, SJG was one of the few defenders of Frog God games after their SJW allegations of misogynany.

Frog God Games intended, and had already invested money and time, to publish 3pp Licensed Fantasy Trip material. SJG withdrew the license after loud group of 5-7 (best count from internal numbers) SJG fans went ballistic after their annoucement. Lots of lawyers and ugliness followed, thus it ended acrimoniously.

The end.

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 25, 2023, 07:43:50 PM

GURPS and 3rd Party Adventures
My impression is that (a) they don't sell very well, given that GURPS'er tend work with bespoke settings, and (b) there isn't a huge interest in writing them.

"Major releases"...
Is 4e Vehicles the only thing that would count as a major release? Or does that mean something that they push to dead tree and not just PDF? Genuinely interested here in part because I was "forced" to go PDF a long time ago so for me that is more representative of active publishing then a dead tree version that I'm not going to buy anyway.

SJG did not help their cause when they had that "You submit it. We own it." clause in their submission guidelines.

Quote from: Lesser Gnome on October 27, 2023, 05:54:30 AM

QuoteI understand.  And if one of these cases turned out to be the situation, would I be surprised?  No.  Ironically, SJG was one of the few defenders of Frog God games after their SJW allegations of misogynany.

Frog God Games intended, and had already invested money and time, to publish 3pp Licensed Fantasy Trip material. SJG withdrew the license after loud group of 5-7 (best count from internal numbers) SJG fans went ballistic after their annoucement. Lots of lawyers and ugliness followed, thus it ended acrimoniously.

The end.

Amazing.  SJW Games actually said it had nothing to do with the SJW attack.  They were going through with it, the owner was a nice guy, and when they ended their partnership, it was unrelated to it.  But we can trust a woke company's word, right?

  Pretty clear given the support for domestic terrorists SJ would get hold of a super woke person to run the show.   As for gender not being synonymous with sex....come on now.... What is the definition of gender in Webster's 1828?
1. Properly, kind; sort. 2. A sex, male or female.

  I guess if you are into using weasel words you are going to have to get rid of the pesky internet, since for some reason it is still conjuring up the "wrong" definitions that were in the older dictionaries.

Quote from: oggsmash on October 27, 2023, 09:50:25 AM
...As for gender not being synonymous with sex....come on now.... What is the definition of gender in Webster's 1828?
1. Properly, kind; sort. 2. A sex, male or female.

  I guess if you are into using weasel words you are going to have to get rid of the pesky internet, since for some reason it is still conjuring up the "wrong" definitions that were in the older dictionaries.

Even in 1980s dictionaries, "gender" STILL meant biological sex (like it means today, because this new fake definition is what they're trying to use as a substitute for "Gender identity", an artificial construct that doesn't exist).  Since my RPG takes place in the 1980s, it uses the real-life meaning of gender as biological sex.  And the game doesn't make users list "pronouns", since that kind of politicking didn't exist then, either.  I worked too hard striving for historical accuracy to taint the game with political nonsense from a less enlightened time.

Quote from: Omega on October 27, 2023, 05:58:56 AM
SJG did not help their cause when they had that "You submit it. We own it." clause in their submission guidelines.

Wait, that sounds incredibly sh*tty. It's almost academic writing level of sh*tty.

The only problem that I'm having is that to be able to legally do this, you would have to be under contract, surely? I know that articles that I've submitted to academic journals require that I give up copyright privileges even while I maintain my intellectual property.

Is this part of the submission process?

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 27, 2023, 06:35:53 PM

Quote from: Omega on October 27, 2023, 05:58:56 AM
SJG did not help their cause when they had that "You submit it. We own it." clause in their submission guidelines.

Wait, that sounds incredibly sh*tty. It's almost academic writing level of sh*tty.

The only problem that I'm having is that to be able to legally do this, you would have to be under contract, surely? I know that articles that I've submitted to academic journals require that I give up copyright privileges even while I maintain my intellectual property.

Is this part of the submission process?

Yeah I ran into it when looking at submitting stuff to SJG.

Couple of publishers have this, or a "You submit it. You agree not to sue us if we later put out a game suspiciously just like yours". I had a publisher try to pull the "You submit/We own" gag and I flat out told them that it doesn't work that way. And this was a very smalltime publisher trying to pull it.

Seen it in board gaming too.

Quote from: Omega on October 28, 2023, 07:04:40 AM

Quote from: Kage2020 on October 27, 2023, 06:35:53 PM

Quote from: Omega on October 27, 2023, 05:58:56 AM
SJG did not help their cause when they had that "You submit it. We own it." clause in their submission guidelines.

Wait, that sounds incredibly sh*tty. It's almost academic writing level of sh*tty.

The only problem that I'm having is that to be able to legally do this, you would have to be under contract, surely? I know that articles that I've submitted to academic journals require that I give up copyright privileges even while I maintain my intellectual property.

Is this part of the submission process?

Yeah I ran into it when looking at submitting stuff to SJG.

Couple of publishers have this, or a "You submit it. You agree not to sue us if we later put out a game suspiciously just like yours". I had a publisher try to pull the "You submit/We own" gag and I flat out told them that it doesn't work that way. And this was a very smalltime publisher trying to pull it.

Seen it in board gaming too.

These days with kickstarter being available, a creator might as well self publish if every company is going to try and dick them over.

I've been working on how to do an alternative open 3d6 system / information format people could use to put out stuff that would be highly GURPS compatible without getting in trouble.  It always swings between an alternate system (which wouldn't go anywhere) and alternative language that is easily convertable.  I think the very nature of GURPS makes something like The Cephus Engine largely impossible.  The biggest part of GURPS is a descriptive language for describing characters and re-naming everything  defeats the very purpose.  Even fixing issues like Super Strength, breaking Dexterity down a bit, or ending the Hit Points debate by making them equal Strength + Health becomes highly controversial as it impacts compatability.  People want what they already have, they'd make the changes they like if they were in charge but they'd lose everyone else in the process.

After years of dabbling with the idea I think I've settled on what I'm doing.  I think the character information format would be the vital part people would need to agree on.  Want your own combat or magic system?  Fine as long as all the character data remains compatible.  The points system wouldn't be compatible.  Sorry, I just don't see it being possible and I'm really tired of the weird and arbitrary approach SJG has taken.

Mostly, though I'm pretty done with SJG where I used to like them.  They used to be that cool company that made those cool games I like and they don't seem to want to be that anymore.

The funny thing is that so many of these companies don't understand IP law at all.  If you want to produce and market a module for a system, just do it.  You can even mark it "compatible with..." without issue.  You're only in trouble if you use their logo, imply it's authorized by the original IP maker, or you plagiarize some of their material in your product.

You could even go so far as to rewrite their system as long as you do it in your own words.  Terms for game mechanics are not copyrightable, btw.   

What is protected is settings and characters.  Be very careful about that.

Quote from: David Johansen on October 28, 2023, 11:35:59 AM
I've been working on how to do an alternative open 3d6 system / information format people could use to put out stuff that would be highly GURPS compatible without getting in trouble.  It always swings between an alternate system (which wouldn't go anywhere) and alternative language that is easily convertable.  I think the very nature of GURPS makes something like The Cephus Engine largely impossible.  The biggest part of GURPS is a descriptive language for describing characters and re-naming everything  defeats the very purpose.  Even fixing issues like Super Strength, breaking Dexterity down a bit, or ending the Hit Points debate by making them equal Strength + Health becomes highly controversial as it impacts compatability.  People want what they already have, they'd make the changes they like if they were in charge but they'd lose everyone else in the process.

After years of dabbling with the idea I think I've settled on what I'm doing.  I think the character information format would be the vital part people would need to agree on.  Want your own combat or magic system?  Fine as long as all the character data remains compatible.  The points system wouldn't be compatible.  Sorry, I just don't see it being possible and I'm really tired of the weird and arbitrary approach SJG has taken.

Mostly, though I'm pretty done with SJG where I used to like them.  They used to be that cool company that made those cool games I like and they don't seem to want to be that anymore.

What I would do is, take an already open system, for instance OpenCore (3d6, point buy, effects based) and using it as a chassis build on top of it genre specific games:

Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Supers, etc.