Quote from: Mistwell;1112991It's not far out of line with content in other fields.

It's not far out of line with other tabletop entertainment properties aimed at nerdy, white, educated 20-35 year olds.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1113021You guys jumping on the "wokeness" are missing Golden opportunities to bitch about how boring and bland the system is.

Quote from: sureshot;1113023I see potential in the new system. Unlike some I don't use my dislike of any rpg that is not a favored rpg as an excuse to take a dump on PF2 .

Is it innovative imo no. Neither is it the worst thing ever. Rigts is full of boring and bland OCCs beyond my dislike of the rules I would still play in a campaign with a good GM.

We get it Rhedyn anything you don't like as an rpg is the shits as far as you concerned. Many of us think differently

PF2 genuinely improves on many problems with the d20 system, and in some cases is better than 5e even. Unfortunately, many of these problems were already fixed in other spin-offs (e.g. 4e, 5e, SAGA, FantasyCraft, True20, Dreamscarred Psionics, Spheres of Power, etc) long ago and PF2 is playing catch up. I haven't done a full analysis, but I'm sure PF2 fails to account for various other helpful innovations.

I don't see myself playing or running it. I'd probably go for d100 Classic Fantasy or 13th Age instead. 13th Age is great if you don't mind innovations like icons or escalation dice. Classic Fantasy is great if you like having compatibility with the vast d100 library.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1112693What reason is there to even buy a physical fucking game book if there are going to be PAGES worth of errata after the fact? That's just fucking dumb. Does Paizo even offer PDF versions of their products? May as well just get that and re-download every time they add more shit; at this rate your physical products will literally be rendered obsolete in its own fucking edition lifespan. "Oh hey guys, yea I brought my books - err, shit, forgot my 50-page errata binder. Guess we'll just play something else tonight, then..."

But yeah, at least it's not Traveller-bad.

After the Shadowrun 5E core rulebook, I learned that I am better off buying RPG books in PDF format just so I don't have to deal with incorporating all of that errata into a printed book.

Quote from: sureshot;1113008The point being missed or ignored is that their was no need for them to include the two pages on them suddenly being woke. All it would have taken was perhaps different phrasing along the lines of " Don't be a jerk, treat others with respect. If one is uncomfortable with the style of campaign talk it over with the table or look for a new table. Dms read the table and make sure to find out what is or is not acceptable to allow into a campaign with players ."

This is Paizo - they never say in one paragraph what they could instead say in 14 pages with pretty pictures.

Quote from: sureshot;1113023We get it Rhedyn anything you don't like as an rpg is the shits as far as you concerned. Many of us think differently

Now that's unfair. I'm of the opinion that many OSR games are fine even if I won't be playing them. The same honor goes to Rotten Capes, Overlight, Silent Legions, Spears of the Dawn, Other Dust, Eclipse Phase 2e, The Dark Eye, etc.

D&D 4e is a game that I will play but not run.

I'm not to the point I'll run games that I do not favor.

I don't like PbtA, FitD, Scum and Villiany, Blades in the Dark, Band of Blades, or Dungeon World, but none of them are bad games.

I do think D&D 5e and PF2e are bad and that the only reason you will play PF2e is because you are only comparing it to D&D 5e or maybe PF1e. No one actually plays D&D 5e, they play whatever version of D&D the DM thinks D&D is (by design). Those that try to play actual D&D 5e with Dev tweets and intense rules discussions are bound to get a miserable game.

I think that Rhedyn does have a point.  If you like playing DnD 4e then you probably are going to think that Pathfinder 2e is a bad game.