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Title: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Jam The MF on November 20, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Joey2k on November 20, 2021, 05:29:34 PM
10 Hail Gary's. Go and sin no more.

And maybe look for a used copy next time
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: DM_Curt on November 20, 2021, 05:35:02 PM
Or spend 2x that amount on something those people would hate.
Like, RPG stuff from Venger or Pundit. Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: mudbanks on November 20, 2021, 06:20:28 PM
I'll still get a copy (in whatever form is cheapest) if I really want the game. Unlike the insane far-left that will boycott everything they don't agree with, I can separate the art from the artist.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Slipshot762 on November 20, 2021, 06:22:26 PM
Penance shall be a months gaming using only 6 sided dice.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: SHARK on November 20, 2021, 06:39:58 PM
Or spend 2x that amount on something those people would hate.
Like, RPG stuff from Venger or Pundit. Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

Greetings!

GREAT SPIRIT, DM Curt! All of your ideas are outstanding here!

Spend double the money on things, resources, and people that the Liberals hate.

Beautiful!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: PsyXypher on November 20, 2021, 06:43:04 PM
I'm of the belief that a good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from. So credit can go where credit is due. If someone makes a good part of a system, that's great.

That being said, it's probably sending the wrong message to these people if you buy their product, especially since they're not actually looking for the money, but to push their propaganda.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on November 20, 2021, 07:00:08 PM
Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

You could waste your cash on that dross... Or just simply buy more indie games from publishers who make very little.

Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: DM_Curt on November 20, 2021, 07:03:17 PM
Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

You could waste your cash on that dross... Or just simply buy more indie games from publishers who make very little.
Ammo isn't dross. The rest of the list is up to whatever. 😉
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on November 20, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
Ammo isn't dross. The rest of the list is up to whatever. 😉

Fair point... If I could own a gun I'd buy ammo. :)
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: SHARK on November 20, 2021, 07:55:30 PM
Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

You could waste your cash on that dross... Or just simply buy more indie games from publishers who make very little.
Ammo isn't dross. The rest of the list is up to whatever. 😉

Greetings!

I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: KingCheops on November 20, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.

Nothing wrong with that.  I'm starting a boycott of Games Workshop but I can almost guarantee that within a couple years I'll be sorely tempted to hop back on.  Assuming they don't go broke for their wokeness...
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2021, 08:44:18 PM
I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D
Bambi and his mom appreciate the to-hit penalty you take for wielding a longarm with one hand!
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on November 20, 2021, 08:47:43 PM
I can almost guarantee that within a couple years I'll be sorely tempted to hop back on.  Assuming they don't go broke for their wokeness...

I think it's hard not to have one golden calf or two... But I'll never go back to FATE even though I like the game itself.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: SHARK on November 20, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D
Bambi and his mom appreciate the to-hit penalty you take for wielding a longarm with one hand!

Greetings!

*Laughing* AHHH!!! Yes. Hilarious! Indeed, that kind of penalty would be severe. I'm a good marksman, but yeah, you need both hands to properly shoot a rifle.

That reminds me, I'm looking forward to going to the range again here soon. Gotta keep those skills *sharp*.

Bambi and her momma! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Pat on November 20, 2021, 08:55:54 PM

Bambi and her momma! ;D

Wait, when did Bambi come out as trans?
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: DM_Curt on November 20, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

You could waste your cash on that dross... Or just simply buy more indie games from publishers who make very little.
Ammo isn't dross. The rest of the list is up to whatever. 😉

Greetings!

I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I like AR-15s. Heck, I own 2 of them. But I prefer my AR-10.
Mathematically, that's 33% fewer AR-units of badscarymean, so it's safer!  😉
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Krugus on November 20, 2021, 11:31:29 PM
Or Bibles and ammo.
Joe Rogan and Steven Crowder merch.
A gold-plated pocket-sized Ben Shapiro figurine (a.k.a. life-size).
Rittenhouse T-shirts and MAGA hats.

You could waste your cash on that dross... Or just simply buy more indie games from publishers who make very little.
Ammo isn't dross. The rest of the list is up to whatever. 😉

Greetings!

I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I like AR-15s. Heck, I own 2 of them. But I prefer my AR-10.
Mathematically, that's 33% fewer AR-units of badscarymean, so it's safer!  😉


SR-25 for me (same but different I know).   I deer hunt with my evil black .308 rifle and since its deer season, it looks like (deer) meat is back on the menu boys!
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Jaeger on November 21, 2021, 03:13:24 AM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.

(https://c.tenor.com/PLpe-LYpJUcAAAAM/shame-gameofthrones.gif)

That being said: Buy Used.

The secondary market is the place to go to see what what happened when the clock struck twelve twice, and the people who hate you won't see a dime of your money...
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: GeekyBugle on November 21, 2021, 03:52:48 AM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.

Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Jam The MF on November 21, 2021, 04:17:43 AM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.

Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.


I have now bought in, to a very openly liberal group of people.  I have been looking at several RPG's for years now; which I didn't already own.  I finally pulled the trigger "like Rittenhouse", and purchased this creative work.  2 Volumes, even.  Forgive me father, for i have sinned. 

It's the 13th Age Core Rulebook, and the 13th Age Bestiary.  I hope the authors feel the need to gargle diesel fuel now, because i have purchased their RPG.  Ha!!!
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Ki§a on November 21, 2021, 04:43:56 AM
Must you do penance?  And if so, then what?

I must confess; I have resisted the urge to purchase the product which I shouldn't have purchased, for 5 years now.  I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.  I have done so previously, but I have been aggravated by the lack of a print copy to reference.  So now; I have given in, against my better judgement.  If it helps my case any; I was spending other peoples' money, and not my own.

All I have left to cling to; is not giving the authors credit publicly, for creating a game full of good ideas.

Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.


I have now bought in, to a very openly liberal group of people.  I have been looking at several RPG's for years now; which I didn't already own.  I finally pulled the trigger "like Rittenhouse", and purchased this creative work.  2 Volumes, even.  Forgive me father, for i have sinned. 

It's the 13th Age Core Rulebook, and the 13th Age Bestiary.  I hope the authors feel the need to gargle diesel fuel now, because i have purchased their RPG.  Ha!!!

Oh, you're in the clear, son. Tweet is an alt-right race realist, didn't you know? :D
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: S'mon on November 21, 2021, 07:25:39 AM
I find that when a publisher or author is horrible, I generally lose all desire to read or play their product. So I'm not tempted to buy it. It doesn't have to be Wokeness, there are plenty of other ways to be horrible.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: FingerRod on November 21, 2021, 07:37:08 AM
Penance may not be the right word. I try to keep perspective, and have to be okay with some coming through. If I lose that perspective, I become what I hate.

For example, my household no longer purchases from Amazon. Nearly five months clean :). But I refuse to research all websites and apps that use AWS. Now, effectively I am boycotting the part of their business they lose money on, and supporting their profit cow, but it is something, and close to 50 people know I don’t support them due to their ideology and censorship. That has to be good enough for me.

I recently backed the remaster of Into the Odd. The creator was the headliner for that bail fund project summer before last. Technically, since he is British, I see his actions as a foreigner who helped fund domestic terrorism. Having perspective, what I really think is he probably is super left, caught up with everything going on at the time, and likely a political twat. But he is not my enemy, and I am not his. I will get hours of fun out of the work. And it is quality.

I say play your game, keep perspective, and make an impact where you can.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on November 21, 2021, 07:40:22 AM
I find that when a publisher or author is horrible, I generally lose all desire to read or play their product. So I'm not tempted to buy it. It doesn't have to be Wokeness, there are plenty of other ways to be horrible.

Same for me... It's more of a case that I've already bought a load of their gear from them. And then i find out they are woke as fuk. :(
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: S'mon on November 21, 2021, 07:47:32 AM
Same for me... It's more of a case that I've already bought a load of their gear from them. And then i find out they are woke as fuk. :(

Hmm. I still use my old Paizo stuff, if the specific content does not contain much objectionable content. I just don't want to buy/use any new Paizo stuff. Same with WoTC.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on November 21, 2021, 07:50:26 AM
I just don't want to buy/use any new Paizo stuff. Same with WoTC.

That would be my approach too... No more dollars shall they get from me. :)
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Omega on November 21, 2021, 08:07:50 AM

Bambi and her momma! ;D

Wait, when did Bambi come out as trans?

That will be the next CGI remake.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Omega on November 21, 2021, 08:13:06 AM
Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.

Do not use their own vile tactics. They do this to people, and eachother. The minute we start doing it they will use it as ammo and "proof". Not to mention it just drags us down to their degraded level. Let them eat their own.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: The Spaniard on November 21, 2021, 01:38:05 PM
I never understood spending hard earned money with a business that obviously hates you.  There are plenty of good ideas and products out there offered by people who don't. 
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Jam The MF on November 21, 2021, 08:16:05 PM
As a form of penance for my transgressions, I have also ordered the Blueholme Prentice Rules; because I have no prior experience with any form of BX.  I need to see how that compares to Original D&D, via White Box - Fantastic Medieval Adventure Game.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Shasarak on November 21, 2021, 10:06:50 PM
I never understood spending hard earned money with a business that obviously hates you.  There are plenty of good ideas and products out there offered by people who don't.

I never pay them with hard earned money when I can use Ardern bucks.  Pass them along as fast as you can before they lose all value.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: jeff37923 on November 22, 2021, 01:34:27 AM
As penance, I used to mail them to the Trove. Now I just don't spend money on them, I borrow them, read, and laugh.

(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: TheSHEEEP on November 22, 2021, 03:34:25 AM
I'll still get a copy (in whatever form is cheapest) if I really want the game. Unlike the insane far-left that will boycott everything they don't agree with, I can separate the art from the artist.
Same here.
I'm not going to abstain from an enjoyable experience just because I disagree with the creator (or one of the creators) on something political.
Wouldn't serve any purpose, either, as the number of people doing that are so low they practically never make any kind of difference.
If purchasing a product that someone was involved with who you don't like for some reason makes you feel bad, well... do what you gotta do, I guess. But it really just sounds petty to me.

It's different when the politics parts I disagree with become a major focus of the product, of course.
But then it wouldn't be an "enjoyable experience" for me anymore, either, so I wouldn't want to purchase it to begin with.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: GeekyBugle on November 22, 2021, 12:29:03 PM
Au contraire, start singing the praises of said book. And mix the praises with right wing talking points or better yet Images/gifs.

That might send The Mob after them, because to them if some terribad person follows you/likes your stuff/re-tweets/etc it must mean you're also a terribad person.

Do not use their own vile tactics. They do this to people, and eachother. The minute we start doing it they will use it as ammo and "proof". Not to mention it just drags us down to their degraded level. Let them eat their own.

Doing what I proposed isn't me using their tactics, it's me knowing how they will react and letting them eat each other.

Make them live under their own rules. Until we understand that this must be done we stand ZERO chance of ever winning back our culture/freedoms.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on November 22, 2021, 03:02:39 PM
I regret it, feel sad for a while, and then move on without ever patronizing them ever again. This applies to other products like video games and books too. If I feel particularly offended then I might hold a grudge against them forever.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Spinachcat on November 22, 2021, 06:05:19 PM
Vote with your dollars and your feet, because every purchase counts.

Yes, it's a drop in the bucket...but have you ever seen the rain fill a bucket?

More importantly, it's about taking a personal stand in a culture which increasingly hates and spits upon those with "wrongthink". It's a point of self-respect to say NO whether it's to a food company, a tech company, Hollywood or a game designer.


I have wanted to "borrow" ideas from the product, without giving the authors my money.

Used books via eBay or Amazon sellers. You get the product and the author gets nothing.

Or wayward PDFs floating in the darker ethers of the magical interwebs.

But I'm now at the point of not running any games from the woke freaks because beyond not giving them my money, I refuse to give them my time in promotion of their brand.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: rytrasmi on November 22, 2021, 07:45:01 PM
They don't want you to buy their stuff? Buy it and cut out the pages of woke nanny state x-card bullshit. Make sure to let them know because it will piss them off. If you're moved by the argument that you're financially supporting the enemy, offset that with a donation to a good cause.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: Omega on November 24, 2021, 08:20:42 AM
(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: jeff37923 on November 24, 2021, 10:15:58 AM
(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.

I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: David Johansen on November 24, 2021, 11:29:19 PM
You're fighting for a world that fears and hates you, you are the D&D Men.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: GeekyBugle on November 25, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.



I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

Edited because I'm becoming a boomer and no longer know how to do the whole quote-response thing.

Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: DocJones on November 25, 2021, 11:31:15 AM
I'm a firm believer in keeping the Bible in one hand, and a gun in the other hand.

I have my King James Bible, and a sweet, sweet AR-15, with plenty of ammunition ready to go.

That way, when I am out in the wilderness amidst Nature, I can preach the Word of the Lord to the lost as I go hunting. ;D
Bambi and his mom appreciate the to-hit penalty you take for wielding a longarm with one hand!
So you're saying I'm doing it wrong?
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b6/TS-AK103.jpg/600px-TS-AK103.jpg)
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: jeff37923 on November 25, 2021, 12:10:58 PM
(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.


Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?
I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

I've bolded what I think is GeekyBugle's question, but I'm a little confused by its placement.

The suggestions do not apply to Cepheus Engine, in fact one of them is why Cepheus Engine exists in the first place. When it looked like the TAS licensing Mongoose wanted was going to jeopardize the IP rights of all of the Third Party products created for Mongoose Traveller 1e, playtesters and publishers pointed out that Mongoose Publishing was going to be creating the same relationship that formed between WotC and Paizo when they did this. TAS was implemented and Cepheus Engine came into being as a result - without the problems of MGT 2e that were pointed out.
Title: Re: If you give in and purchase an RPG, written by people who Hate You;.......
Post by: GeekyBugle on November 25, 2021, 12:42:57 PM
(Moment of schadenfreude as an example. It is amusing to see that Mongoose Publishing has decided to implement the most common suggestions of the MG2T playtest group six years after the playtest concluded!)

Its Mongoose. Their rep for half-assing their product goes way back to when they were doing those junky so called "slayers guides" in the early 2000s.


Are those same suggestions applicable to Cepheus Engine? Meaning do they need to change the same stuff?
I can understand that now, but I've been lucky to be involved with five Traveller related playtests over the last few decades. The MGT2e playtest was the worst experience of them all and I find it funny that the suggestions ignored then are being implemented now. I wonder how better their sales would have beenover the past six years if Mongoose would have listened to its playtesters.

I've bolded what I think is GeekyBugle's question, but I'm a little confused by its placement.

The suggestions do not apply to Cepheus Engine, in fact one of them is why Cepheus Engine exists in the first place. When it looked like the TAS licensing Mongoose wanted was going to jeopardize the IP rights of all of the Third Party products created for Mongoose Traveller 1e, playtesters and publishers pointed out that Mongoose Publishing was going to be creating the same relationship that formed between WotC and Paizo when they did this. TAS was implemented and Cepheus Engine came into being as a result - without the problems of MGT 2e that were pointed out.

Yes, that was the question, I'm turning into a boomer...