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Iconic D&D-ish Neutral Evil?

Started by Narf the Mouse, January 25, 2009, 12:10:17 PM

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Narf the Mouse

January 25, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
There's demons for Chaotic Evil and devils for Lawful Evil, but there doesn't seem to be an iconic infernal Neutral Evil.

I propose Revised Drow - An entire race of fallen *Foo who are each Evil Masterminds, entirely too capable of Xanatos Gambits/Roulette/Speed Chess.

(Does not include a link to tvtropes.com :D )

We need a proposed origin - Something undeath-like might fit. On the other hand, Rakshasha might also work - Aside from being obscure.

Ideas?
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#1
January 25, 2009, 12:51:42 PM
The Yugoloths/Daemons are the iconic neutral evil outsiders.
 

Narf the Mouse

#2
January 25, 2009, 01:34:21 PM
...They might work better if I had ever heard of them. :)
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#3
January 25, 2009, 02:13:24 PM
Monster Manual II
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#4
January 25, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;280353(Does not include a link to tvtropes.com :D )

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#5
January 25, 2009, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: StormBringer;280381Monster Manual II
3e or 2e?

Anyway, if they're going to be iconic, a mention in any core book with a higher number than '1' is basically a miss on the 'Iconic' part.
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JamesV

#6
January 25, 2009, 02:32:52 PM
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;280368...They might work better if I had ever heard of them. :)

That's what the Wikipedia is for!

You have the same idea as you do in regards their motives: skilled manipulators. The problem is that it falls short in that I've always felt like NEs are the type of folks who aren't too picky about who they manipulate, and Yugoloths get the short shrift there. They're usually just described as the kinda mercenaries of the Blood War.

Good NE demons should be the most subtle and willing to mix with everyone. And I feel like they should also be fairly fragmented, each demon carrying out their own personal plans with little regard for their contemporaries.
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#7
January 25, 2009, 02:55:35 PM
Doesn't matter if I can find them on wikipedia - What matters is getting them into the core MM #1, so people know what to look up if that's what they want - If they aren't recognizable, they aren't iconic. :)
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Cranewings

#8
January 25, 2009, 04:08:04 PM
Good Dragons are no longer iconic in 4e (:

Narf the Mouse

#9
January 25, 2009, 04:38:08 PM
Let's not turn this thread into a 4e debate thread.
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#10
January 25, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;2803863e or 2e?

Anyway, if they're going to be iconic, a mention in any core book with a higher number than '1' is basically a miss on the 'Iconic' part.
1st edition.  Far, far better than the Fiend Folio, in my opinion.  Although, the FF did have the tirapheg, so it has that going for it.
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#11
January 25, 2009, 05:16:35 PM
Nycadaemon and Mezzodaemon (the first Yugoloths) first appear in the AD&D1 Fiend Folio, if you aren't counting the module they appear in.
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#12
January 25, 2009, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: StormBringer;2804101st edition.  Far, far better than the Fiend Folio, in my opinion.  Although, the FF did have the tirapheg, so it has that going for it.
Leaves me wondering why they haven't seemed to survive to today.

Or maybe...They're just so stealthily evil WotC missed them...
The main problem with government is the difficulty of pressing charges against its directors.

Given a choice of two out of three M&Ms, the human brain subconsciously tries to justify the two M&Ms chosen as being superior to the M&M not chosen.

StormBringer

#13
January 25, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
Quote from: Narf the Mouse;280420Leaves me wondering why they haven't seemed to survive to today.

Or maybe...They're just so stealthily evil WotC missed them...
I would guess they fell victim to the demons and devils purge of 2nd edition.  They could have stuck with the yugoloths, but 'daemon' was probably too close for comfort, and they didn't really promote them in major products, anyway.
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Narf the Mouse

#14
January 25, 2009, 07:59:17 PM
Still, I have an answer, so that's good. :)

(Even if 'Daemons' is just 'Demons' with an 'a' added - Could always call them 'Loths', for a tie-in...)
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