Wherein Game X is a game you really love, and presumably Game Y is a game you hate.

Now, unless Game Y involves neck-raping cabin boys to death, I don't really get why the fuck it would be a moral conundrum to purchase the game you do like, even though its made by the same company.

What's the fucking point of denying yourself purchasing stuff for a game you enjoy?
I mean, I despise the WoD games, but that wouldn't stop me from buying Pendragon stuff, just because White Wolf is the publisher.

The whole point is that by buying the good games, and NOT buying the bad games, you are reinforcing to that company which games you feel are good and they should make more of, and (in some ideal world) might get them to change their ways.

Whereas otherwise, you are just... what, hoping they'll go under? And apparently willing to cut off your own nose to spite their face?

RPGPundit

I envision you sitting at a computer desk surrounded by a plain of crusty tissues.

I'm not silly enough to have that sort of attitude... but I am silly enough to dislike certain companies because of past practices... to the point of not buying anything from them... except maybe on Ebay.

If one game stinks, I'd still consider buying another game from that company. What will keep me from purchasing, however, is the attitude/customer service etc. from a company.

Quote from: RPGPundit;335318Wherein Game X is a game you really love, and presumably Game Y is a game you hate.

Now, unless Game Y involves neck-raping cabin boys to death, I don't really get why the fuck it would be a moral conundrum to purchase the game you do like, even though its made by the same company.

What's the fucking point of denying yourself purchasing stuff for a game you enjoy?
I mean, I despise the WoD games, but that wouldn't stop me from buying Pendragon stuff, just because White Wolf is the publisher.

The whole point is that by buying the good games, and NOT buying the bad games, you are reinforcing to that company which games you feel are good and they should make more of, and (in some ideal world) might get them to change their ways.

Whereas otherwise, you are just... what, hoping they'll go under? And apparently willing to cut off your own nose to spite their face?

RPGPundit

I am with on you on this one.

I think some people take PR personally.  Some folks get personally offended if a company does something bad with a game they like, and therefore makes it personal if that same company does something good with a different game they like, later.

Quote from: GoOrange;335325If one game stinks, I'd still consider buying another game from that company. What will keep me from purchasing, however, is the attitude/customer service etc. from a company.

Why?

I play some games that have NO company at all behind them...having long gone out of business.  Why would bad customer service or a bad attitude matter for an RPG you actually like?

The main point for me with a company is "How good is their writing/quality control?"  If book after book from a company is horrible, and then they start a new game line, chances are it's going to be horrible as well.  I'm going to be very leery about buying it if I've already been stung by that company's books.

Quote from: RPGPundit;335318The whole point is that by buying the good games, and NOT buying the bad games, you are reinforcing to that company which games you feel are good and they should make more of, and (in some ideal world) might get them to change their ways.

Whereas otherwise, you are just... what, hoping they'll go under? And apparently willing to cut off your own nose to spite their face?

RPGPundit

Sure. I would usually agree with that, but that presupposes that the company will actually change its ways.

Now, I really like Star Wars Saga, and I've had this attitude with WotC for some time. But then, when it was clear they wouldn't change their ways, I just gave up on them. I don't see it as a "moral conundrum". It would be so if WotC was the only way for me to get some role-playing going on, or role-playing games from WotC were necessary for me to live. That's just not the case.

If I want some Star Wars action, I can go with WEG's game, purchase Saga sourcebooks second-hand, just make up my own shit, and so on, so forth. I don't *need* new Saga sourcebooks.

I don't *need* WotC at all.

I decided to not purchase any WotC product at all in the future. I'm actually putting my money where my mouth is, and that means spending it elsewhere. It doesn't hurt them, unless of course tons of people are doing like I do, which I don't think is the case, and it doesn't hurt me either. I don't see where the problem is, actually. I made a choice, and vote with my dollar. That's about it.

That's not like there aren't zillions of other games out there to play with.

Quote from: Mistwell;335333Why?

I play some games that have NO company at all behind them...having long gone out of business.  Why would bad customer service or a bad attitude matter for an RPG you actually like?

Having no company behind a game, especially because they are out of business, is not the same as having a company behind the game that enjoys pissing all over their customers.

For me, it's kind of the same thing as what Pundit talked about above by not buying the bad games and instead rewarding them for the good.  When a company has a terrible public face it makes me not want to pay for their games, thereby rewarding them for that treatment.  I might pick the game up via eBay or an Amazon reseller if it's something I really want, but I'll do everything in my power to avoid paying retail price for something they've produced.  In the above scenario I would also only try to get the game if it were something utterly fantastic that my gaming group couldn't do without.

Other publishers that go the extra mile for their customers will get a lot more attention for me, also getting the greater chance at my money.

To answer the original topic, I wouldn't stop myself from buying a game I loved from a company just because they also produced a game I hate.

Huh. I've never really been in that situation, personally. I don't buy White Wolf products because I've never liked a single thing they've put out. I don't buy Wizards products because I don't like the way they do business.

But I've never had one company turn out a game I love and a game I hate, much less refused to patronize them because of the game I hate. I mean, WTF.

Quote from: RPGPundit;335318Now, unless Game Y involves neck-raping cabin boys to death, I don't really get why the fuck it would be a moral conundrum to purchase the game you do like, even though its made by the same company.

A little more harsh than I would have said it, but yeah...my thoughts on it.

I guess for me, I look at it in the reverse.  I'm not going to disregard a product because it comes from a company which has practices or people that I don't care for as I try to take each product at face value.  However, I will say that a company/person/author that has shown a positive attitude and provides good customer service will have some loyalty and respect from me that will make easier for me to go back and look at their other, and future, products.

Quote from: Benoist;335339Sure. I would usually agree with that, but that presupposes that the company will actually change its ways.

Now, I really like Star Wars Saga, and I've had this attitude with WotC for some time. But then, when it was clear they wouldn't change their ways, I just gave up on them. I don't see it as a "moral conundrum". It would be so if WotC was the only way for me to get some role-playing going on, or role-playing games from WotC were necessary for me to live. That's just not the case.

If I want some Star Wars action, I can go with WEG's game, purchase Saga sourcebooks second-hand, just make up my own shit, and so on, so forth. I don't *need* new Saga sourcebooks.

I don't *need* WotC at all.

I decided to not purchase any WotC product at all in the future. I'm actually putting my money where my mouth is, and that means spending it elsewhere. It doesn't hurt them, unless of course tons of people are doing like I do, which I don't think is the case, and it doesn't hurt me either. I don't see where the problem is, actually. I made a choice, and vote with my dollar. That's about it.

That's not like there aren't zillions of other games out there to play with.

Oh, wait, we're talking entirely about *new* stuff?

Shoot...I rarely buy new anymore...I make trades, buy on eBay, what have you...whatever I can do to stretch my entertainment dollar another bit.

If Charles Manson writes a great RPG, I'll buy two copies.

Hopefully, OJ will go OSR while in prison and cranks out some cool modules.

The rest of this self-righteous internet wankery is just a cat piss competition.

I don't really 'hate' games.  I like some and dislike others, but hate describes an emotion that is simply not present.  I dislike Cortex and think it is a terrible game for the licenses that it has been applied to, but if the same company came out with some non-Cortex game that looked fun, I'd have no problem buying it.