Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 15, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
Also, I don't game for an audience. It's just for my game groups.

I think the GM in this case invited a lot of trouble by having a live audience. You can never predict what a live audience will do. Or really what effect they will have on the activity at hand.

Even the convention games I run tend to be in private rooms. Instead of being out in the wild.

In today's climate, that is a wise policy. (In fact, I would take it a step further and don't game with anyone I don't know pretty well, or have someone I trust vouch for them.)

Quote from: jhkim on November 16, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
It seems some people expressed that it was about it being a video livestream rather than about private RPG play. i.e. It's fine for white players to play Asian characters in a private game, but doing so for a broadcast livestream is different. But the point of livestreaming is that it's supposed to follow the rules of how the game is actually played, not just be a themed TV show.

It makes you wonder why these predominately white people (SJW's) should make that distinction? I mean by their own inclinations it seems that they're completely obsessed with the appearance of others races, contrasted with their own self-loathing/hatred of 'white people', it really just shows their own racism.

Meanwhile normal people will just roleplay and have fun and not worry about what people think of their appearance

Quote from: bat on November 16, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
One other aspect that my meandering, abstract brain seized upon- Why exactly are they barring this? Are they saying that EVERY imagined world carries the EXACT SAME baggage as our world? If so they are latching onto every single DM/GM/etc and every writer's own created world and assuring us that every created/imagined world is plagued by every ill of our own world. It is pretty amazing to think of the audacity of saying that you know that every person can only imprint their escapist, imaginary universe with our world from 1694-2020 and its flaws and mistakes. And that every law of our world (like orcs cannot only be evil) MUST be true and absolute with no deviancy.

Pretty much. There really is no limit to how insane the hallucinations of these sociopaths will get.

Got orcs in your setting as the main race? Well that is verboten because orcs are really oppreseded africans and you are WACIST for using them!
Got a setting of only rabbits? Well that is verboten because rabbits are really the oppreseded chinese and you are WACIST for using them!
Cot a setting where everyone is a featureless cube? Well that is verboten because cubes are really the oppreseded women and you are WACIST for using them!

You monster!

No. Really. If at least one of these fruitcakes has not spouted one of the above allready then they likely will soon enough. And guess what? That is correct. TWO of the three have already been.

Insert-your-deity-here wept.

Quote from: Joey2k on November 16, 2020, 03:29:02 PMYeah, wasn't there just another "controversy" that too many players in BG3 were playing white males?

Which way do they want it? Are we supposed to branch out and play other races or stay in our lane?

Both. You literally can not win.
Represent or play the race. Then you are WACIST!
Dont represent the race or play it. Then you are WACIST!

Quote from: Omega on November 16, 2020, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: Joey2k on November 16, 2020, 03:29:02 PMYeah, wasn't there just another "controversy" that too many players in BG3 were playing white males?

Which way do they want it? Are we supposed to branch out and play other races or stay in our lane?

Both. You literally can not win.
Represent or play the race. Then you are WACIST!
Dont represent the race or play it. Then you are WACIST!

It is wiser to never apologize and tell these people to fuck off.  At least they would know your not a pushover to be exploited.  They will hate you for it, but they already hate you anyway.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on November 16, 2020, 10:08:46 PM

Quote from: Omega on November 16, 2020, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: Joey2k on November 16, 2020, 03:29:02 PMYeah, wasn't there just another "controversy" that too many players in BG3 were playing white males?

Which way do they want it? Are we supposed to branch out and play other races or stay in our lane?

Both. You literally can not win.
Represent or play the race. Then you are WACIST!
Dont represent the race or play it. Then you are WACIST!

It is wiser to never apologize and tell these people to fuck off.  At least they would know your not a pushover to be exploited.  They will hate you for it, but they already hate you anyway.

This.

There's a reason why a common theme in redpill advice is to not bother to apologize. Because it doesn't help.

Why? Because normal, mature, sane people have this mechanism, lifted from various religions: reconciliation. Forgiveness. Yes, I know, some sins are impossible to forgive, but we're not swimming in that end of the pool here.

You accidentally bump up against someone else, psychologically. They say 'Hey, please don't do that.' You say, 'Oh, okay, sorry. What's wrong?' And then you hash it out like adults, and come to a compromise, or you part ways because the difference is irreconcilable. But the latter's rare.

But for radical leftist, critical race theory, etc, there is no mechanism for forgiveness. Nothing you do can appease them. Nothing you do will make them happy, except for you dying (metaphorically in most cases, and literally in rarer ones). There is no way to win their game. The only winning move is not to play.

So when someone goes off the deep end like that, the best response is to tell them to go fuck themselves, and don't bother you again.

Quote from: bat on November 16, 2020, 02:42:33 PM
One other aspect that my meandering, abstract brain seized upon- Why exactly are they barring this? Are they saying that EVERY imagined world carries the EXACT SAME baggage as our world? If so they are latching onto every single DM/GM/etc and every writer's own created world and assuring us that every created/imagined world is plagued by every ill of our own world. It is pretty amazing to think of the audacity of saying that you know that every person can only imprint their escapist, imaginary universe with our world from 1694-2020 and its flaws and mistakes. And that every law of our world (like orcs cannot only be evil) MUST be true and absolute with no deviancy.

They fundamentally don't believe in (or even understand) the basic idea of worldbuilding.  This is why the games they make are so damned flimsy.

It's a horrendously reductionist worldview.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 16, 2020, 10:35:59 PM


There's a reason why a common theme in redpill advice is to not bother to apologize. Because it doesn't help.

To a Stalinist, apologizing is just an admission of guilt and requires punishment.

Quote from: Omega on November 16, 2020, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: Joey2k on November 16, 2020, 03:29:02 PMYeah, wasn't there just another "controversy" that too many players in BG3 were playing white males?

Which way do they want it? Are we supposed to branch out and play other races or stay in our lane?

Both. You literally can not win.
Represent or play the race. Then you are WACIST!
Dont represent the race or play it. Then you are WACIST!

Their definition of racist does not count behavior.  He's a white male, therefore he's racist.

You exist, therefore you are racist.

Remember Sarkesian's initial spearhead of her hate campaign was "Everything is Racist, Everything is Sexist." etc ad nausium.

Yeah, extremes do exist. In discussing this topic elsewhere, I had someone tell me that by having non-white pre-generated PCs in convention games, I was promoting racism - because it gave permission for white people to play them and express whatever that they thought about minorities. They did allow that it was not a big issue if it happened in private games. They locked discussion after that point for being non-productive.

Quote from: jhkim on November 20, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
Yeah, extremes do exist. In discussing this topic elsewhere, I had someone tell me that by having non-white pre-generated PCs in convention games, I was promoting racism - because it gave permission for white people to play them and express whatever that they thought about minorities. They did allow that it was not a big issue if it happened in private games. They locked discussion after that point for being non-productive.

So basically... if you have non-white pre-gens you're racist, but if you have only white pre-gens you're also a racist. If you have female pre-gens you're sexist, but if you have only male pre-gens you're also sexist. If you have gay pre-gens you're a homophobe, if you have no gay pre-gens you're a homophobe.

The only way to win is not to play.

Quote from: tenbones on November 20, 2020, 12:33:43 PM

Related to the circle of diversity is the truism that any organization that isn't specifically built to reject leftism inevitably slides to the left.

In the case of businesses, any company that wishes to sell to everyone will inevitably start to bend to the demands of the Left because the Leftists are the loudest and they worry their noise will start to drive away other customers and they have the always mistaken belief that the self-loathing jackasses will one day be satisfied. Eventually they end up so far to the Left that the mainstream abandons them and then they HAVE to cater to the ever more insane demands of the Left or lose all the customers they still have.

This describes the collapse of WotC and Paizo and White Wolf to a tee. The ONLY way for an RPG company to avoid this fate is A) always own your IP and make sure heirs aren't little Leftards in training, B) tell any SJW who complains to frack off, and C) dare the little turds to try and cancel you because if they do it's free advertising.

The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority.
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15