Quote from: tenbones on November 23, 2020, 08:32:24 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on November 23, 2020, 07:53:03 PM

Quote from: tenbones on November 23, 2020, 12:24:32 PM
I'm curious to how many people angry at this development actually support 5e monetarily still?

Angry is a bit strong.

Disappointed maybe.

I used to be angry. Then I was disappointed. Now I simply don't care.

I was angry because like many of the dumb directions pop-culture has taken (which infects a lot of the stuff we share) it was/is *totally unnecessary* aside from the strife it causes in various circles.

Disappointment came when it became totally clear that beyond the marketing mistakes that all this shit was purely ideological, so much so that those caught in the gravitational well of it even ate their own principles dignity out of financial self-interest in the hopes they could turn it around (and this is a best case scenario I don't really believe).

Not caring happened slowly after I realized that the elements of D&D I do use, and prefer (1e, 2e) are very very much in use. I never stopped using them in 3e. I skipped 4e altogether. And I used them in 5e while I had it. But I still use that material in Savage Worlds. None of the material that's come out is really necessary for me in terms of mechanics (since I think the mechanics are not good). They certainly aren't producing more fluff than the previous editions... so it seemed to be a clear line had been crossed. Emotional ties evaporated and I was truly disconnected from the brand that I'd stood with for decades.

Now it's like a comically sadistic sideshow where I watch Pundit and others parade out the latest outrage from that collective sewer. And the only think irksome about it that does have an impact on me is when I get new players that most of the time got into this hobby via D&D and then I'll have to hear them try to explain to me why it's "so cool!" or regale me with their epic renditions of their favorite "Adventure Path" and how they did it the 2nd or 3rd time... and what is my favorite Adventure Path?

I sip my coffee. Eventually I summon my best Mako-voice

"Boy...Before the time when the Sun set upon 3e, and the earth shook and the rise of the monster of 4e, there was an age undreamed of. It is I, the GM who alone can tell thee of this saga. Let me tell you of the days of high adventure!"

Greetings!

Mako indeed! Awesome, Tenbones!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: TJS on November 20, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority.
https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

This is exactly what the American Government was designed to prevent. Thanks for sharing.

Quote from: jhkim on November 16, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
I agree that there is a more radical faction than Chris and Ajit. In general, though, there's always a more radical faction than whoever is currently dominant. It's not clear to me that the more radical faction are winning overall, but then, I don't hang out on Twitter.

It's not about them winning, but allowing them to get a foothold in the first place. The people in these communities are far too concerned with not validating their ideological opposition over keeping the toxic extremes at bay.

Quote from: jhkim on November 16, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
It seems some people expressed that it was about it being a video livestream rather than about private RPG play. i.e. It's fine for white players to play Asian characters in a private game, but doing so for a broadcast livestream is different.

That's where the goalposts are now. I guarantee they'll be moved later.

Quote from: jhkim on November 16, 2020, 03:21:36 PM
But the point of livestreaming is that it's supposed to follow the rules of how the game is actually played, not just be a themed TV show.

And yet the same community is pushing for exactly the latter in order to make things more 'accessible'.

Quote from: jhkim on November 20, 2020, 10:43:49 AM
In discussing this topic elsewhere, I had someone tell me that by having non-white pre-generated PCs in convention games, I was promoting racism - because it gave permission for white people to play them and express whatever that they thought about minorities. They did allow that it was not a big issue if it happened in private games. They locked discussion after that point for being non-productive.

Imagine my shock. And even if a game's 'private' it won't stop rabid #SJWs from making examples out of their players.

Quote from: Ted on November 20, 2020, 05:49:09 PM
I'm no expert, but I find the concept of policing creativity to be anathema to the human spirit. Hyperbolic in this situation, certainly, but also I believe  true.  And isn't that the most oppressive prison of all, when you can force someone to inhibit their own imagination?

How insidious is the desire to coopt the prisoner into being his own jailor?  This desire to control the imagination is also aimed at more than just players, I think the real desire is to exert that same power upstream and intimidate the designers of games as well. It's so ... twisted.

Ironically true racism is the product of a lack of imagination, and the conditioning you describe is a fundamental element in totalitarian rule. If the #SJWs have their way there will never be any individual creative expression or interpretation. Everything will be the product of committee and approved authorities, and that's not a price I'm willing to pay to prevent #WrongThink.

Quote from: rytrasmi on November 21, 2020, 10:56:29 AM
The creativity police want the R to be used for indoctrination. Hence, I propose we call such games IPGs, Indoctrination Playing Games or Ideology Playing Games.

You're not wrong. Games however are an absolutely horrible indoctrination tool, because no matter what you do they still depend on choice.

Quote from: yabaziou on November 16, 2020, 07:47:09 AM
I also wonder which Daniel Kwan is allowed to have a not Chinese first name since he feels than genetic heritage is so important to determine what a person is allowed to do. This Kind of cultural appropriation should not be tolerated  .

Ironically the name was one of the things they took issue with.

Quote from: Chris24601 on November 20, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
So basically... if you have non-white pre-gens you're racist, but if you have only white pre-gens you're also a racist. If you have female pre-gens you're sexist, but if you have only male pre-gens you're also sexist. If you have gay pre-gens you're a homophobe, if you have no gay pre-gens you're a homophobe.

The only way to win is not to play.

Now you're getting it!