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Author Topic: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse  (Read 2518 times)

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2021, 01:35:24 PM »
5.5 is going to be the biggest flop that Hazards-Of-The-Bro ever experienced for the following reasons:

1. Their target audiences is broke, woke, and will pirate and torrent all of the matereal.  These people want everything for free and have no qualms about stealing something they can’t afford because “Kapitalizum iz evil”.
2. Thry are alienating the older players, calling them “_ists”, and “_phobes”, which will drive us away to seek out better games.
3. The next two years will show reduced sales as no one wants to buy books for a system that will probably be obsolte soon.  Other RPG companies will court D&D players with creative and innovative matereal. They are lean and hungry to take away the profits from the old dinosaur that is Hazards-Of-The Bro. 
4. The writers and artists kinda suck.  The quality of the matereal put out by Hazards-Of-The-Bro has been getting steadily worse since Xanathar’s Guide came out.  The art resembles cartoons and is very corny, not at all remeniscent of the heroic struggles that D&D characters once had to endure.  The adventure plots are hakneyed, and the same monsters reappear in every book.  I haven’t seen a decent trap since Curse Of Strahd.  The riddles and puzzles are uninspiring, and since they are doing away with alignment (mostly), they remove one of the elements that gave impetus to most of the adventures.  It is hard to be a hero in a world without good or evil.  Player characters will just be wandering killers, or students in some mage-school trying to get a date for the prom.  [yawn]

The silent majority is either oblivious to or unconcerned with the political/social turmoil that takes place on this and other online fora. Most players mindlessly play whatever is the latest and greatest with the most name recognition. I'm befuddled by the number of gamers I've met in real life who, while maybe aware of their existence, have never even looked at a game other than D&D
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2021, 01:36:10 PM »
Well, I finished the writing on my non-woke modern-ish design fantasy setting on Saturday, so I should be ideally positioned for those who like the WotC-era unified mechanics and “big damn hero” PCs without the woke politics (its as apolitical as you can get while still embracing ideas like ‘courage, compassion, loyalty, diligence, temprence, justice and wisdom are virtues to be encouraged’ and ‘heroes should be heroic’).

Next up for me is artwork (there’s a lot to do myself and to figure out which I’ll need outside work for) and finding a local or regional printer (support local, international shipping is currently a mess and easier to deal with problems face-to-face are all reasons for this choice).

If WotC wants to go woke, I’ll gladly take the customers they don’t want anymore.
Sounds interesting!

From what I've read so far it is, if only I could find a group to give it a test run.
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2021, 01:39:03 PM »
Never go Full Crawford.
Crawford is a white dude playing as a woke dude disguised as a game designer.

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2021, 01:47:58 PM »
Put out a Dragonlance book, Ravenloft setting book, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, and Planescape books. All under a "D&D Classics Revisited" tag line.

Dragonlance: Novels had pictures of thin, attractive women on the cover. Cancelled.
Ravenloft: Vistani are racist. Cancelled.
Planescape: Uses slang terms like "berk" which we all know really means black people. Cancelled.
Dark Sun: Has slavery in it. Cancelled.
Spelljammer: Someone (who will not be named) hit self-destruct. Totally cancelled.



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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2021, 02:05:19 PM »
Put out a Dragonlance book, Ravenloft setting book, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, and Planescape books. All under a "D&D Classics Revisited" tag line.

Dragonlance: Novels had pictures of thin, attractive women on the cover. Cancelled.
Ravenloft: Vistani are racist. Cancelled.
Planescape: Uses slang terms like "berk" which we all know really means black people. Cancelled.
Dark Sun: Has slavery in it. Cancelled.
Spelljammer: Someone (who will not be named) hit self-destruct. Totally cancelled.
Hence the big push to shoehorn WotC's MtG settings into it, since they've cancelled everything else...

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2021, 02:32:26 PM »
Well, I finished the writing on my non-woke modern-ish design fantasy setting on Saturday, so I should be ideally positioned for those who like the WotC-era unified mechanics and “big damn hero” PCs without the woke politics (its as apolitical as you can get while still embracing ideas like ‘courage, compassion, loyalty, diligence, temprence, justice and wisdom are virtues to be encouraged’ and ‘heroes should be heroic’).

Next up for me is artwork (there’s a lot to do myself and to figure out which I’ll need outside work for) and finding a local or regional printer (support local, international shipping is currently a mess and easier to deal with problems face-to-face are all reasons for this choice).

If WotC wants to go woke, I’ll gladly take the customers they don’t want anymore.
Sounds interesting!

From what I've read so far it is, if only I could find a group to give it a test run.
I’m glad you’re liking it.

If others are interested I’m doing a semi-open beta on the completed material. Shoot me a PM and I’ll get you the links to the drafts.

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2021, 03:03:30 PM »
Put out a Dragonlance book, Ravenloft setting book, Spelljammer, Dark Sun, and Planescape books. All under a "D&D Classics Revisited" tag line.

Dragonlance: Novels had pictures of thin, attractive women on the cover. Cancelled.
Ravenloft: Vistani are racist. Cancelled.
Planescape: Uses slang terms like "berk" which we all know really means black people. Cancelled.
Dark Sun: Has slavery in it. Cancelled.
Spelljammer: Someone (who will not be named) hit self-destruct. Totally cancelled.

Grayhawk: original setting of one of the creators of D&D, can't possibly keep the setting of that white colonizer
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2021, 03:04:56 PM »
Told you the next version was going to be pure narrative.

Throw away your evil agency-depriving dice and run D&D like a Session-0 agreed-upon LARP.

My PC only dies if agreed upon. Encounters can only challenge PCs but never overwhelm. Pcs can act however they want because Alignment is dead. The gods are beholden to PC behavior.

Anything goes as long as it fits the narrative/storyline.

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2021, 03:09:48 PM »
Told you the next version was going to be pure narrative.

Throw away your evil agency-depriving dice and run D&D like a Session-0 agreed-upon LARP.

My PC only dies if agreed upon. Encounters can only challenge PCs but never overwhelm. Pcs can act however they want because Alignment is dead. The gods are beholden to PC behavior.

Anything goes as long as it fits the narrative/storyline.

Welcome to D&D!

Fine, if in some bizarre situation I get stuck having to run one of these beasts (hostage situation?), then I'll make it real easy:

GM:  Everyone have their characters ready to go?
Players:  Yeah!
GM:  Alright, you fight and think your way through numerous obstacles, but persevere. Go you!  Here's some gold, magic items, and juicy XP. The whole adventure only took 3 minutes!  So now you've got plenty of time to talk amongst yourselves about how wonderful you all are.
GM:  Bye!

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2021, 04:04:52 PM »
"It's even worse than we imagined."

Keep those words handy. We're going to be using them a lot over the next few years.

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2021, 07:08:51 PM »
You don't want to cause the end of the world do you? HUH BIGOTS!?

https://yourdungeonisracist.blogspot.com/2021/10/if-you-dont-play-d-5e-world-dies.html
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2021, 11:31:49 PM »
It would be nice if they could release a 50th Anniversary D&D product that wasn't loaded with bull shit.  It would be nice if they could devote themselves to releasing the greatest DMG of all time.  A 50th Anniversary Gold Edition DMG full of great resources.

Nope.  Gotta bow to the freak show clowns that want to spit all over D&D.
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2021, 07:33:14 AM »
Wasn't there a premium version of Deathwatch that was released in an ammo crate?

A premium edition of D&D 50th should be released in a treasure chest.

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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2021, 11:33:58 AM »
Meant to ask in the YouTube comments, but wouldn't this essentially make 5.5e (or I guess evolved, which is funnily similar to them originally calling 5e D&D Next) a glorified story game with a license attached to it? It's funny too, the woke stuff is starting to push away even hardcore 5e fans from what I've seen.
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Re: I Told You So About "D&D Evolution" - But it's Even Worse
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2021, 06:50:38 PM »
Meant to ask in the YouTube comments, but wouldn't this essentially make 5.5e (or I guess evolved, which is funnily similar to them originally calling 5e D&D Next) a glorified story game with a license attached to it? It's funny too, the woke stuff is starting to push away even hardcore 5e fans from what I've seen.

Too soon to tell. It depends on whether or not they meaningfully change the core mechanics; given that they're promising compatibility that seems unlikely. But they could add some kind of "X rule" or something (like, "any player can for any reason at any time declare that an event in play needs to be stopped or did not occur, for their own well-being, and everyone must abide by this and the DM must adjust the situation accordingly") that would effectively reduce the game to a storygame.
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