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Author Topic: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?  (Read 6882 times)

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2021, 02:30:27 PM »
I haven't posted on Enworld for years.
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2021, 02:37:51 PM »
These are the sorts who are so offended by everything that the only thing acceptable is a featureless cube. And eventually they will be offended by that.

What have you got against spheres?  Are you a shapists?  :D

Spheres were long ago outlawed as being sexist because spheres represent breasts and no woman can have breasts. Once the cube is outlawed they well then move on to triangles. Then lines. Then a point and then nothing. But even the void will be deemed sexist. So that has to go too.

Why? Because these sociopaths invariably go into a death spiral of ever increasing demands for censoring whatever.

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2021, 03:44:51 PM »
Well at least the OP is getting some kind of pushback in the thread against his overall bullshit but yeah the SJW rot is all over the place. It's actually much worse into areas outside of rpgs. I was called a bad person when I dared to post pro- Gina Carano stuff on my FAcebook feed and it was again go go SJW rangers essentially finger wagging and all but saying I'm a bad person for not defending her getting fired. Yet their favored SJW darling Pedro Pascal when I posted both of what they said gets them all angry as when it comes from someone spouting their "approved" politics and social positions it is ok. Both used Holocaust description as analogies yet Pedro gets a free pass for being leftist and non-Trump supporter.

I had one Friend (made in RL, kept in contact over FB) post about Gina Carano, the usual crap. I pushed back, and he doubled down on calling Carano a "Holocaust denier".
I typically avoid such discussions on social media. The arguments go nowhere fast. They can post whatever junk they like, and so shall I.
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2021, 04:49:12 PM »
I had one Friend (made in RL, kept in contact over FB) post about Gina Carano, the usual crap. I pushed back, and he doubled down on calling Carano a "Holocaust denier".

 :o Doesn't comparing something to the holocaust (even though she didn't actually do that) require believing that the holocaust happened? I guess not according to woke logic.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2021, 04:50:53 PM by Dimitrios »

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2021, 04:53:09 PM »
Well at least the OP is getting some kind of pushback in the thread against his overall bullshit but yeah the SJW rot is all over the place. It's actually much worse into areas outside of rpgs. I was called a bad person when I dared to post pro- Gina Carano stuff on my FAcebook feed and it was again go go SJW rangers essentially finger wagging and all but saying I'm a bad person for not defending her getting fired. Yet their favored SJW darling Pedro Pascal when I posted both of what they said gets them all angry as when it comes from someone spouting their "approved" politics and social positions it is ok. Both used Holocaust description as analogies yet Pedro gets a free pass for being leftist and non-Trump supporter.

I had one Friend (made in RL, kept in contact over FB) post about Gina Carano, the usual crap. I pushed back, and he doubled down on calling Carano a "Holocaust denier".
I typically avoid such discussions on social media. The arguments go nowhere fast. They can post whatever junk they like, and so shall I.

...your friend is insane...and I mean that in the 'not capable of actual rational thought' way, not the typical SJW lemming 'I believe' mantra...

The very existence of the tweet itself means Carano cannot be a "holocaust denier"...
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2021, 06:20:38 PM »
...your friend is insane...and I mean that in the 'not capable of actual rational thought' way, not the typical SJW lemming 'I believe' mantra...

The very existence of the tweet itself means Carano cannot be a "holocaust denier"...

:o Doesn't comparing something to the holocaust (even though she didn't actually do that) require believing that the holocaust happened? I guess not according to woke logic.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

That's when I abandoned the conversation. It obviously wasn't going anywhere rational.
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2021, 06:41:49 PM »
There's a certain kind of argumentation at work where the irrationality is the point.

The logic (such as it is) is like this.

- Certain things ought to provoke you into extremes of emotion where rational response is difficult
- If you insist on rationality then you are therefore reacting innappropriately.  You are not supposed to argue - that just demonstrates your own innappropriate response.  You are supposed to validate the emotion behind the statement, not quibble about things like facts or accuracy.

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2021, 06:47:21 PM »
Why are RPG designers particularly susceptible to being infected by the Wokeism virus?

Is it because creative thinking inhibits your critical thinking?
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2021, 07:13:28 PM »
Why are RPG designers particularly susceptible to being infected by the Wokeism virus?

Is it because creative thinking inhibits your critical thinking?

In the case of WOTC, I think being based in the Seattle area is a big factor.
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2021, 07:40:03 PM »
Why are RPG designers particularly susceptible to being infected by the Wokeism virus?

Is it because creative thinking inhibits your critical thinking?

In the case of WOTC, I think being based in the Seattle area is a big factor.
Pretty much this. Also critical thinking requires realism... and the reality is that writing rpgs is unlikely to be able to support yourself or a family. The non-woke know better than to quit their day jobs in pursuit of a career in the RPG industry. This means they can't produce nearly as much material as some pajama boy mooching of his parents as they pursue their dreams of being an RPG writer.

There's also opportunity costs. If you have a day job then you have limited free time for gaming. Do you want to spend that time alone staring at a screen as you compile your manuscript of your game or would you rather be playing a game with your friends?

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2021, 09:22:40 PM »
Are they complaining about demons and evil spirits being racist yet?

Then they haven't gotten as bad as RPGNet.

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2021, 11:26:58 PM »
I've been over there a bit.

I'd say yes, it's becoming like that and no, it's not there yet. Check out the infractions thread on RPG.net--they ban people for mocking the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in an insufficiently rabid way, calling Narrangasett an English name (it is in fact not English but Native American, but a ban?), and various other things that read like a parody of tumblr.

I tend to stay out of these discussions on there though, thinking about it, maybe I should push back a little until they ban me. From what I can see they actually allow you to delete your account, unlike RPG.net which refuses to, probably so they can keep everything you said to mine for blackmail material if they can figure out who you really are.

Interestingly, apparently the guy who started the thread, after specifically asking about how to make a more inclusive OSR game, mentioned when asked that he has been pushed out of RPG.net. So Big Purple's hypercensoriousness isn't just political...they've got a severe case of generic love of the banhammer as well. (This does describe most of the woke left as well, BTW.)

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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2021, 05:28:50 AM »
I just learned that not only Big Purple is official name of skin for their boards, but also that they have alternative skin called SHADES OF GRAY.

That's just awesome.

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Are they complaining about demons and evil spirits being racist yet?

Then they haven't gotten as bad as RPGNet.

I mean clear woke aspects aside - this was not very bad thread and discussion about nature of demons in fantasy settings where demons are physical and can eat you - but also personal beings living in time-continuum is not bad.
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2021, 08:56:58 AM »
Let's not forget that we do live in times when asking "Are chess racists? In the game the White always moves first!" is considered a serious question.

https://www.rt.com/sport/493243-anatoly-karpov-chess-racism/

The funny^H^H^H^H^H interesting thing is how this kind of "concern" only underlines a Western white-centric view of the World. No one, for example, asks "Is Go a racist game?" because in Go *Black* always plays first. It also underlines how this specific occurrence of holy indignation is based on ignorance (as "holy indignation" often is) about the "white-centric racism" of a game born in VII Century India, diffused in Persia via the Silk Road, and then in North Africa and Europe by Islamic invaders.

But the above is called "research and analysis". It is also called "using your  head" - and thus a futile counter to thisk kind of madness.

BTW

Exhibit #1 in the "potential problematic issues" list:

- Nipples in chain mail bikinis

I.e. Not "chain mail bikinis" (!) in the first place. It tells you all you need to know right there. 🙄
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Re: I'm shaking my head about ENWorld now. Is it becoming more like rpg.net?
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2021, 09:14:35 AM »
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