Quote from: Omega on May 01, 2024, 03:19:44 AM

Quote from: Opaopajr on April 29, 2024, 09:54:50 PMYes, it is a glorious self-own from one's blinding hypocrisy. And yes, reddit mostly had people bat this attention-seeking away as the piffle it is. But... it's still fucking reddit in its manner, sound and fury signaling nothing but now in soporific NPR drone. So I return to shit on reddit for a second time.

The problem is that every little subreddit is its own little domain really and several of the RPG related ones have some pretty nasty moderators.

This came to light recently
https://www.dndunleashed.com/home/why-we-no-longer-post-content-on-reddit

Yeah, I never liked the platform. It always had that groupthink darlings and Greek chorus harpies feel to it, like RPG.net, Tumblr, and Twitter after Tumblr was purged. That and it has an atrocious interface, like a purposeful leap backwards, worse than Unix to DOS, to capture market and keep people separated.

All hobbies self-separate into little groups anyway, but the format and "good-righteous-thinking" rubbed me raw immediately and I saw no future in it as an RPG communication tool. Good doesn't have to parade its virtues. And RPGs need way more lasting substantiality and reference ability along with diverse disagreement about Imagination Land to be useful to GMs and players alike over the ages.

So I come to shit on Reddit thrice!

Yeah, brigading is a real problem on reddit. It's even more evident on small subs like r/rpg (yes, r/rpg is a small sub; despite the apparently massive number of subscribers, the active user base rarely reaches two thousand people at a time and usually hovers around 800), where a significant minority can effectively dictate what topics can be discussed through strategic downvotes (try to post something along the lines of "Blades in the dark is a shit game" and see what happens).

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on May 01, 2024, 03:59:50 AMYeah, brigading is a real problem on reddit. It's even more evident on small subs like r/rpg (yes, r/rpg is a small sub; despite the apparently massive number of subscribers, the active user base rarely reaches two thousand people at a time and usually hovers around 800), where a significant minority can effectively dictate what topics can be discussed through strategic downvotes (try to post something along the lines of "Blades in the dark is a shit game" and see what happens).

And that is why I don't have a Reddit account...

Reddit is 95% bots anyway, so posting there is futile in the extreme.

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on May 01, 2024, 03:59:50 AMYeah, brigading is a real problem on reddit. It's even more evident on small subs like r/rpg (yes, r/rpg is a small sub; despite the apparently massive number of subscribers, the active user base rarely reaches two thousand people at a time and usually hovers around 800), where a significant minority can effectively dictate what topics can be discussed through strategic downvotes (try to post something along the lines of "Blades in the dark is a shit game" and see what happens).

Happens more covertly on BGG too.

Quote from: Brad on May 01, 2024, 08:43:19 AMReddit is 95% bots anyway, so posting there is futile in the extreme.

From some comments appears there are swarms of downvote bots hitting several, possibly all, the subs on top of everything else.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 30, 2024, 05:28:40 PMYou guys should've tried the Chronicles of Darkness reboot. It started in 2004 and was finally canceled a few years ago by Paradox. It took out the stupid stuff, but of course the old guard hated it for existing and it was treated as the red-headed stepchild once WW got bought by video game companies.

It's a real pity. While the Chronicles games weren't perfect by any stretch (this is still White Wolf), they at least tried to do new things rather than wallowing in endless rehashes of the same tired stupid material like 5th edition does.

I quite liked them despite certain things really not liking, I very much disliked how Vigil overtook Reckoning, and how H5 went on to be a copy cat. likewise I liked old Demon more, but every other splat was a marked improvement.

But I've since given up entirely WOD/COFD all together to work on my own OSR inspired takes of them.

I thought the Imbued/Inquisitors with supernatural powers could've coexisted quite well in Vigil, as the point was the diversity of organizations and capabilities. One of the Vigil orgs is outright composed of antichrist candidates, which is metal.

H5 wasn't just a copy cat, it actively demonizes organized hunters as inherently evil. So it basically pisses off fans of both Reckoning and Vigil and basically every splatbook about playing humans with low magic. Remember Orpheus? They name-dropped Orpheus Group as irredeemable evil villains for having the audacity to run a public ghost fumigating service that employs ghosts. Whoever wrote this clearly has a huge chip on his shoulder.

Anyway, good luck with your urban fantasy game design. We need more games to break WoD's stupid monopoly.

You could like it or not, but one thing that WoD did right was fanbase fidelization. They did it so right that an effectively dead gameline was resurrected after nearly ten years from the official closure and still keeps going strong, all thanks to fans.
You need to be a special kind of moron to look at this fanbase and sistematically dismantle whatever they liked and subtly (but not even so subtly) hinting that they are a bunch of perverted degenerates that got it all wrong for nearly thirty years.
Yeah, Paradox really baffles me.

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on May 03, 2024, 01:06:16 AMYou could like it or not, but one thing that WoD did right was fanbase fidelization. They did it so right that an effectively dead gameline was resurrected after nearly ten years from the official closure and still keeps going strong, all thanks to fans.
You need to be a special kind of moron to look at this fanbase and sistematically dismantle whatever they liked and subtly (but not even so subtly) hinting that they are a bunch of perverted degenerates that got it all wrong for nearly thirty years.
Yeah, Paradox really baffles me.

I agree with you!

I tried to give CoD a half-hearted good college try... I only liked Changeling the Lost. And I already love Changeling the Dreaming, so it was just a new flavor from a different perspective. Then I saw CoD 2.0 with all the mechanical self-torture to get more XP and roleplay, when you could just do more roleplay and adjust the XP rates. I was done. And then I was even less impressed with 5e versions.

It was a moment in time and I'm OK with that. And it really highlighted how people can turn in on themselves to push out everyone else around them. So I am OK being the "left behind fandom" because I'm not a "true believer" in such pompous self-righteousness. I'm Gen X/Millenial, I really do care, but I don't give a shit about hassling others like an ass-hat, especially on low stakes shit. And how you play pretend is pretty low stakes shit.

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Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AMIf I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

Werewolf does suck in that its an eco-terrorist Progtard's wet dream. I liked Mage, but The Traditions are just 100% wrong. I'm not saying The Technocracy are right, but FFS, the neurotic, bong juice swilling, crystal-waving hippie sexual deviant asswipes in the Traditions are just so fucking stupid. That and you had morons claiming Nikola Tesla (who is really The Godfather of the 20th Century) was an Aetherite.

The only time the damn game made ANY sense was when they declared 'The Technocracy won'. The Ascension War was stupid and bringing it back into play did nothing but make the game developers look like Neo-Luddites.

Mage is fundamentally Woke (Mages are even called The Awakened), which is to say Gnostic, with the underlying concept that if you believe something enough then it is true. It's literally trans-ideology before it got mainstreamed.

Similarly, it is the Sleepers' collective beliefs that most stand in the way of your beliefs becoming truly real. For the woke it is the oppressors (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe in their mental illness) who are preventing utopia (and for the Gnostic it is the masses ensnared by the Demiurge's lies that keep the enlightened from achieving their godhood).

Woke, Gnosticism, and Mage all feed from the same original lie... "You can be God."

The World of Darkness in general also suffers from the problem of having existed long enough for its rebel ideologies to become the establishment, but are unable to let go of the Revolution to see they've actually become the bad guys. The Leftwing nuttery that in the 90's focused on "tolerance and freedom from the establishment" has now reached the point where it now requires intolerance of other ideas and tyranny by the establishment to maintain.

But they won't let the natural rebels actually rebel against the real modern establishment, instead they must rebel even further into Leftist nuttery and maintain the fiction that it is still the 90's establishment and it's ideals who are in charge (ex. Vampire 5e has introduced the 2nd Inquisition backed by Religious and Rightwing elements because they can't have the Totalitarian Left as the villains).

And so they flounder because the underlying structure of their setting has no truth to it anymore. It's collapsed into the same late-stage Marxist hell that every institution which embraces it does. It can't understand that anti-establishment rebellion is now rebellion against them.

But yes, Werewolf should die first because without it's stupid we'd never have gotten to Mage and the other bad ideas (for context, prior to WtA the WoD setting was reasonably coherent and had an objective reality, the Lupines were savage beasts in the wilds akin to folklore, what became Mages were practitioners of various numina; magic paths, psychics, true faith; ghosts, fae, and demons were mysterious otherworldly entities... in contrast to defined playable factions with their own New Age/Gnosticism to push).

It's funny how no one has commented that in The Invisible College, I turned the entire Mage philosophy into the most pathetic type of villains of the College: the Solipsists.

Solipsism isn't MtA's philosophy, it's not even a caricature of it. So that's something of a strawman.

MTA is entirely Gnostic (and Traditions/Conventions that believe otherwise are objectively wrong or outright hostile to the Truth and those not outright hostile learn to abandon those falsities as they advance in enlightenment).

Which is to say it's philosophy of Truth is the same forerunner of Woke and the Trans movement and all ultimately derive from the original Satanic lie "You can be God."

So, whichever faction are the Gnostics would be the equivalent to the true Mage faction in the Invisible College.

My preference for such a setting would be a secret pre-schism (i.e. Roman and Orthodox-backed) Catholic minstry recruiting those with supernatural Charisms* to fight the legions of Satan's minions (witches, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, possessing demons, occultists, etc.).

* this would include innocents bearing the blood of demonic creatures; dhampirs, cambions, 'Merlins' etc.; as God allowed them to have those abilities to fight the wickedness of their ancestors.

Top amusement, easily on par with that provided by our now lost "concerned by problematic Greek gods" fella.
Keep on.

Quote from: Omega on May 01, 2024, 03:19:44 AMThe problem is that every little subreddit is its own little domain really and several of the RPG related ones have some pretty nasty moderators.

Quote from: Opaopajr on May 01, 2024, 03:52:02 AMIt always had that groupthink darlings and Greek chorus harpies feel to it, like RPG.net, Tumblr, and Twitter after Tumblr was purged.

So internet as usual.

Quote from: Opaopajr on May 01, 2024, 03:52:02 AMThat and it has an atrocious interface, like a purposeful leap backwards, worse than Unix to DOS, to capture market and keep people separated.

There's no denying that #Reddit isn't perfect and only getting worse. However posts are still publicly searchable and indented, and I can sort them in multiple ways, format text, quote replies, and add text links. The only better formats for actual discussions are forums like this.

It'd be nice if their search engine actually worked.

Quote from: Omega on May 08, 2024, 12:52:04 AMIt'd be nice if their search engine actually worked.

It's called #Google, and it works better there than here and other forums. But this is getting off topic. Point is where discussions take place is far less important than what is being said.