Quote from: Thanatos02You almost certainly made the right decision.

Well, no. He decided to play Exalted.

But at least when you're at the bottom, the only way is up.

James, the first person you have to apologize to is yourself.

Ok, but me next.

Quote from: Elliot WilenSeriously, did you tell the players about this? Will you? Can't you just say, look, I screwed up (not the fudge, but the assessment of their capabilities)?

I didn't mention it and probably won't. I don't want them to think that a hard-earned victory was a fudgefest when they really did sweat, bleed, and cry to hunt the demon down and kill it. I also don't want them to get too cocky and think it'll happen in the future.  Plus, they'll shun me.

QuoteWere the players at all responsible? I mean, did they have a choice? Were they lulled into a belief that you'd never throw anything at them that they couldn't handle? You should think about whether you want to foster that sensibility, or if you'd rather say: dudes, I don't always know what I'm tossing at you, so you need to use your knowledge of the system, too.

The fight was actually a fair but tough fight. It was because one of their primary warriors opted out that it turned so deadly. One of the reasons I did it was to avoid making one player pay for the noble sacrifice of another.

And yeah, they know that I'm not the type to overwhelm them constantly, but that I'm a firm believer in Fights That Cannot Be Won. Those fights generally have some clues though.

QuoteFinally, what about introducing a hero point system? Could this have been avoided if the player who'd refused the fight for "great reasons" had gotten some sort of benny, that could then have been passed on to the rest of the group as necessary?

To clarify the situation, it wasn't so much that he refused to fight as it was that he sacrificed himself so that women and children could live. It's all in my campaign update but the short version is that he recognized a situation where a room full of people were going to die horribly if the fight broke out and offered to take the place of the women and children. His "benny" was to be almost unscathed when they finally got through the uber-mooks and into the demon itself.

Fudging a roll to make the game more fun for the players?  Who lost here?  Where is the damage?

If I'm running a game and the players are doing things to make it fun for everybody and really getting into it I'll gladly help them continue to do so.  The guy who just sets there, argues over rules and doesn't do much to move the game in any direction until it's time for combat, well I get strick with the rules for them.

But then again my players may be different than your players.  You milage may vary.

Quote from: JimBobOzWell, no. He decided to play Exalted.

But at least when you're at the bottom, the only way is up.

I would think a mongrel bred from a continent full of unwanted convicts would have the bare minimum of brains necessary to leave us art porn wankers to ourselves. I guess not.

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Quote from: Thanatos02Joe.... what? Come on man, I'm clueless here.

Also, don't kick yourself James. Fudging is just one of those things. You eyeball when and if it needs to occur, and come to the right conclusion. You almost certainly made the right decision.

Sorry, I was celebrating my new employment, and got pretty drunk.

I agree with Wes here, don't beat yourself up about it James.  It's games man, not something to feel bad about, especially when you have fun!

Quote from: peteramthorFudging a roll to make the game more fun for the players?  Who lost here?  Where is the damage?

The damage is to my credibility as a GM. If I'll fudge so the group doesn't lose, I'll fudge so the enemies don't lose too soon as well. Then we've taken the game aspect away and may as well not have rules.

QuoteBut then again my players may be different than your players.  You milage may vary.

Probably. We're very much on the opposite side of the field from the fudgers, story-gamers, cooperative storytellers, or whatever they're called these days. That's not a degredation of their style. If it works for 'em, more power to 'em.

Quote from: joewolzSorry, I was celebrating my new employment, and got pretty drunk.

I agree with Wes here, don't beat yourself up about it James.  It's games man, not something to feel bad about, especially when you have fun!

Don't worry, I am somewhat miffed at myself for not foreseeing the possibility, especially given the character in question, but the vast majority of the self loathing is tongue in cheek.

The first law is, don't fudge.

But the second law is, if you do fudge, don't get caught.

(Same thing applies to sexual infidelity.)

Confessing to expiate your guilt = getting caught. Enjoy the bad thing you did as best you can and be man enough to keep it to yourself.

Now go forth and sin no more.

If your friends need to be lied to to have fun, If they want to play


INVULNERABLE POWER GODS


then you rather lie to them.

I suggest: get yourself some grown up people to game with.

As others said: It´s only a game!

If you need to cheat in a game to have fun, than you have serious issues.

Quote from: SettembriniIf your friends need to be lied to to have fun, If they want to play


INVULNERABLE POWER GODS


then you rather lie to them.

I suggest: get yourself some grown up people to game with.

As others said: It´s only a game!

If you need to cheat in a game to have fun, than you have serious issues.

I am amazed how a thread like this can move from...

"I fudged a little because (I messed up/I'd rather fudge than deal with more character generation because of a TPK/It seeemed fun)"

can become

"OMFG CHEETURZ WANT INVULNARABIL SUPER POWERDS!!!1!"

Seriously.  There's a huge fucking gap here.

Fudging a roll because you as a GM made a clerical error is far from just passively sitting and giving out monty haul powertrips to children.

I hear senses of perspective are on sale now.  Might want to pick one up.

-O

It's understandable when you're starting out and haven't quite got a handle on a system yet to have to fudge it from time to time. As well, the acceptability of fudging depends on the general culture of play for that game and the specific group you're with. It doesn't seem particularly terrible in this instance.

QuoteSeriously.  There's a huge fucking gap here

Really?

How so?

QuoteIt's understandable when you're starting out and haven't quite got a handle on a system yet to have to fudge it from time to time.

I totally subscribe to that point: Get a handle on the System.

I like fudge.







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Quote from: SettembriniReally?

How so?

How not so?

If a GM fudges on rare occasions due to his own mistake, it does not lead directly and invariably to fudging every time the PCs are in any sort of danger, thus becoming as you put it INVULNERABLE POWER GODS.

Looking to have fun during a game night rather than outright slaughter does not mean the group is full of immature children.

-O