Quote from: Chris24601;1118516Players can break even human GM brains pretty easily... I pity the AI that tries to deal with such players.

Oh, for sure. Breaking the AI would BECOME the game, if Microsoft's "Tay" AI is anything to go by...

Quote from: tenbones;1118509Seriously? Why do you even need a "ruleset"?

An AI capable of General Intelligence could narratively respond to *anything* you throw at it and fine tune its responses to your desires with fidelity that *you* couldn't even comprehend.

It would be pretty amazing. And probably why civilization would end.

That would be a risk.

May also reduce the need to show where the GM touched you on the doll.

Quote from: Chris24601;1118516Players can break even human GM brains pretty easily... I pity the AI that tries to deal with such players.

Should be able to dynamically recreate the "Choose your own adventure" type games.
May be able to do that already in fact.

How far from an "Avalon" (online multiplayer game) that catered to a single player would it have to go?

To me, the biggest issue is providing graphic content.  
It is clear to me that people will accept crappy play, if the graphics are good enough.

AI will be able to run Adventurer's League or Pathfinder Society modules very soon. There's not much coloring outside the lines and the AI will be able to roll with the railroad just fine.

As Greentongue mentioned, AI should be able to do "Choose Your Own Adventure" soon enough, and something like Alexa sounds like only a step away from that kind of limited decision chain presentation.

Quote from: Greentongue;1118494How will things like AI change solo play?
Already there are available applications to start with.
For example:
https://talktotransformer.com/

This subject... again? We just had this thread a few months ago. And a similar one a month or so before that.

How will AI change solo play?
It wont.
Because at some point you will not be playing solo anymore. You will be playing 1 on 1 with a thinking AI. Or a group if you also have AI players. Or close enough with sophisticated ELIZA-esque emulators.

As said in older threads. I got to play with an early experimental AI player wayyyyyyyy back in the late 90s early 2000s on a MUD. And MUD coders have been approaching this issue for a long time and come up with various approaches. One had a system there town NPCs would note keywords a PC said in their presence and might later bring that subject up to that specific PC based on what it had heard. Or the prior mentoined farmer who changes his routine based on wether or not the rooster crows in the morning. Which possibly effects other NPCs that cycle.

We are getting closer every day so it seemed a good idea to review where we are.

So a thread retreading the same tired subject over and over and over?

Quote from: Greentongue;1118494How will things like AI change solo play?
Already there are available applications to start with.
For example:
https://talktotransformer.com/

once upon a time there was a fox, and he wanted some potatoes to keep himself warm, so he cut them up and put them in a jar. The potatoes died. But then somebody found out the right way to keep the fox warm, and a lot of them got potatoes to grow.

#32.) Japanese Ketchup:

Imagine this: during the great Kite War of World War II, a group of Japanese navy girls brought back their sandwiches after the invasion, and the people from France discovered that the flavor of Japanese mustard and ketchup were like French butter or United States milk. This entire country was wiped off the map and ran into the water in horror when American forces invaded. Since then, not a single person from America has liked ketchup.



The captain ran to the escape pod as the ship was breaking apart. He jumped into the escape pod and the ship crashed into the planet below. The sergeant had escaped through the ship's escape hatch, but his comrades in the transport were killed and the sergeant was nearly killed himself when the escape pod exploded, killing him and his entire escape pod.

The sergeant went down in an asteroid field, surrounded by other debris of the crashed ship. He grew, struggled, and began to crawl around, unable to stand up. The commander decided to try and wake him up, while still containing him. He reached out and touched the sergeant, just as the destroyer exploded, giving him a chance to crawl away.


The above is just better bot-generated filler text is all, compared to what was available 15 years ago.

Quote from: Greentongue;1118494How will things like AI change solo play?
Already there are available applications to start with.
For example:
https://talktotransformer.com/

I'm not looking forward to this. game designers have already taught games to cheat... It'll be even worse when they teach AI's that they should be cheating real people, not only with games, but with financial transactions as well.

For current games that cheat... Age of Wonders, Sid Meier's Civilization, and Civilization: Beyond Earth. Fallout 4 cheats too, with NPCs in Fallout acting like f&%^*& squirrels to dodge bullets and weapons fire, they all walk around like they high are on crystal meth having delusions. My pet peeve is when I haven't saved in awhile, and there is no automatic backup of my ingame experience for several hours, even though I have the backup turned on. Then I have to face the crystal meth army all over again. No Fun!!!

With Civilization: Beyond Earth, the other factions drop in so close to you, they are practically butt-hugging your colony, blocking ready access to the rest of the alien planet, and generally being obnoxious. If I was sending a colonization ship to another star, I'd totally have nuclear tipped missiles on board, right from the get go, first to nuke the planet, when you find hostile acid-filled predatory aliens, and second to nuke the butt huggers when they want to poach your new planetary territorial claim. Someone already wrote a mod to fix this, but the mod lags the game so much, it's not worthwhile to play.

I loved the original Age of Wonders, It was difficult but possible to win without cheating. Not so with the newest two versions of the game! The original was a great fantasy game. II and III though have been disasters, so unbalanced that even on the easy level, the other fantasy factions can assemble these ginormous lethal armies in a few scant turns, and totally overrun your cities. Triumph, or any studio they turn into will never get another dime of my hard earned money.

I haven't seen a good combat flight simulator since F-117 Stealth Fighter was released back in the 80's. Anyone know of a good modern flight combat simulator that allows for air-to-air as well as air-to-ground missions, and has a random mission generator that creates completely new storylines for your pilot?

Quote from: Greentongue;1118494How will things like AI change solo play?
Already there are available applications to start with.
For example:
https://talktotransformer.com/

That is utterly worthless rubbish. I mention two people walking into a bar and it never references those people or the bar and jumps to a story about Jay Carney walking into the White House and doing various nonsensical and unconnected things.

All this proves is there's a program out there that can pull up a random script when you input something. If I were an investor in AI, I'd be taking that designer to court for fraud.

If that's the cutting edge, real GMs (and authors and content creators in general) have NOTHING to worry about any time soon.

Quote from: Greentongue;1118523That would be a risk.

May also reduce the need to show where the GM touched you on the doll.

Well if the AI IS the GM... you want the GM Doll doing the touching. Win/win.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1118536AI will be able to run Adventurer's League or Pathfinder Society modules very soon. There's not much coloring outside the lines and the AI will be able to roll with the railroad just fine.

This makes me sad.

One disadvantage is that books are more expensive than Doritos and Mountain Dew

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AI Dungeon 2 looks like an interesting start.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/356305/Creating_the_everimprovising_text_adventures_of_AI_Dungeon_2.php

AI DMs will basically be a merging of the ttrpg and the Online RPG experience. But it will be a very long while before an AI GM is able to do everything as well as a skilled human GM can.