Quote from: Reckall on March 30, 2021, 04:50:11 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 29, 2021, 09:08:52 PM
I noticed nowadays that every single article that mentions the Cthulhu mythos goes out of its way to mention that HPL was "garbage." It's gotten tiring. I don't understand why these SJWs are so obsessed with hating dead people.

Because Lovecraft was and still is consistently successful all-around, even among those that he "offended" (Alan Moore, speaking of his "Providence", noticed how Lovecraft was never as successful as in recent times). Such concept is heretic and thus must be ripped down.

I think a large part of that success is the fact that HPL's IP is now free of copyright. That's why so many games and other media are coming out with mythos themes because the SJW's (and anyone else) can now profit off of an IP with a well established following and ride HPL's coat tails to "success" and not paying a dime in the process. Rather exploitational if you ask me, but then he's an evil, racist, nazi so it's totally ok...
Personally I think it just highlights their hypocritical nature all the more.

Quote from: Samsquantch on March 30, 2021, 03:59:06 PM

Quote from: Reckall on March 30, 2021, 04:50:11 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 29, 2021, 09:08:52 PM
I noticed nowadays that every single article that mentions the Cthulhu mythos goes out of its way to mention that HPL was "garbage." It's gotten tiring. I don't understand why these SJWs are so obsessed with hating dead people.

Because Lovecraft was and still is consistently successful all-around, even among those that he "offended" (Alan Moore, speaking of his "Providence", noticed how Lovecraft was never as successful as in recent times). Such concept is heretic and thus must be ripped down.

I think a large part of that success is the fact that HPL's IP is now free of copyright. That's why so many games and other media are coming out with mythos themes because the SJW's (and anyone else) can now profit off of an IP with a well established following and ride HPL's coat tails to "success" and not paying a dime in the process. Rather exploitational if you ask me, but then he's an evil, racist, nazi so it's totally ok...
Personally I think it just highlights their hypocritical nature all the more.

The public domain isn't exploitational. Due to how screwed up copyright law is, being in the public domain is probably the best way that a work is going to be preserved for posterity. Cthulhu is now up there with public domain icons like Dorothy Gale, Dracula, Robin Hood, and Romeo Montague.

Quote from: Gagarth on March 30, 2021, 07:38:14 AM
Anybody up for an Amerindian supremacy RPG? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/connoralexander/coyote-and-crow

QuoteIf you have a problem with a game where there are no people of European descent represented, than this game is probably not for you.

From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

I wonder what would be the reaction of the exact same pitch for a game where only the evul huwhite devil survived and gained a special mark from God...

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 30, 2021, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: Samsquantch on March 30, 2021, 03:59:06 PM

Quote from: Reckall on March 30, 2021, 04:50:11 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 29, 2021, 09:08:52 PM
I noticed nowadays that every single article that mentions the Cthulhu mythos goes out of its way to mention that HPL was "garbage." It's gotten tiring. I don't understand why these SJWs are so obsessed with hating dead people.

Because Lovecraft was and still is consistently successful all-around, even among those that he "offended" (Alan Moore, speaking of his "Providence", noticed how Lovecraft was never as successful as in recent times). Such concept is heretic and thus must be ripped down.

I think a large part of that success is the fact that HPL's IP is now free of copyright. That's why so many games and other media are coming out with mythos themes because the SJW's (and anyone else) can now profit off of an IP with a well established following and ride HPL's coat tails to "success" and not paying a dime in the process. Rather exploitational if you ask me, but then he's an evil, racist, nazi so it's totally ok...
Personally I think it just highlights their hypocritical nature all the more.

The public domain isn't exploitational. Due to how screwed up copyright law is, being in the public domain is probably the best way that a work is going to be preserved for posterity. Cthulhu is now up there with public domain icons like Dorothy Gale, Dracula, Robin Hood, and Romeo Montague.

I'm in and out of zoom meetings all day so I may not have phrased that the way I intended. I had meant to say that the SJW's have no problem piggybacking off the works of a big evil racist because it's free to do so and he's dead with no heirs to control the IP, hence the sense of exploitation by not having to invest anything in to using the IP of someone they so fundamentally claim to hate.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

No, as far as it is described, the mark shows up on all people - and on animals and plants too. It doesn't indicate that anyone in chosen -- or alternatively, it shows that *everyone* is chosen.

As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2021, 05:21:01 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

No, as far as it is described, the mark shows up on all people - and on animals and plants too. It doesn't indicate that anyone in chosen -- or alternatively, it shows that *everyone* is chosen.

As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 30, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
The public domain isn't exploitational. Due to how screwed up copyright law is, being in the public domain is probably the best way that a work is going to be preserved for posterity. Cthulhu is now up there with public domain icons like Dorothy Gale, Dracula, Robin Hood, and Romeo Montague.

The "Mythos" were always open source. Not many people know how a lot of "lovecraftian" ideas come from other authors. Hastur is from Ambrose Bierce and Robert Chambers, the Hounds of Tindalos from Frank Belknap Long and so on. They are full of contradictions and different interpretations.

Even within Lovecraft's work there never was an organic structure or a rigid framework. He used what he created (or took from other works) as a tool to better express his idea of "Cosmicism". He openly said that more than once.

I think that Chaosium could copyright Call of Cthulhu because they took all the material produced for the Mythos by Lovecraft and others, and gave to it a finite and definite form. It is still Chaosium's interpretation of the Mythos but I guess that it is this kind of work that can be copyrighted (and licensed, like Fantasy Flight did for his lovecraftian games). If you want to come out with your own interpretation of the Mythos you are free to do it.

I'd be genuinely interested in a setting about "what if the Americas were never colonized?" But the wokeness ruins everything it touches.

Among the woke, there's this stupid idea that pre-colonization Americas were some kind of paradise without war or waves of migration like the entire rest of the world has always been. Which is clearly wrong.

If this game is informed by that bizarre "my shit doesn't stink and comes out bright pink" fantasy, then it's not the kind of game I want to play.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 04:13:13 PM

Quote from: Gagarth on March 30, 2021, 07:38:14 AM
Anybody up for an Amerindian supremacy RPG? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/connoralexander/coyote-and-crow

QuoteIf you have a problem with a game where there are no people of European descent represented, than this game is probably not for you.

From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

I wonder what would be the reaction of the exact same pitch for a game where only the evul huwhite devil survived and gained a special mark from God...

I wonder what the reaction would be if a game listed out who was of European descent and who wasn't.

Also, I wonder how many of the Indians they are so keen on focusing on are actual tribal members and how many live or have lived on a reservation.

As an aside, the game does not sound very good or look very appealing. But it got almost a million dollars.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 09:39:56 AM
As an aside, the game does not sound very good or look very appealing. But it got almost a million dollars.

So it's already succeeded in its purpose. Backers got to Virtue Signal, creators of the Kickstarter got to make tons of cash off virtue signalling.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 31, 2021, 09:04:21 AM
I'd be genuinely interested in a setting about "what if the Americas were never colonized?" But the wokeness ruins everything it touches.

Among the woke, there's this stupid idea that pre-colonization Americas were some kind of paradise without war or waves of migration like the entire rest of the world has always been. Which is clearly wrong.

If this game is informed by that bizarre "my shit doesn't stink and comes out bright pink" fantasy, then it's not the kind of game I want to play.

In "Europa Universalis 4" you can start as a Native American tribe and discover the wonders of all-out warfare in pre-Colombian America (the Inca Empire, BTW, was in the middle of a civil war when the Spaniards arrived). The next expansion, "Leviathan", will flesh out even more the "corners of the World", like the island-dwellers in the Pacific (hint: island-hopping warfare was not invented in WWII) and others. I can't wait for it.

Of course EU4 is the game where you can run a slave trade like the... uhm... slave trading nations did. Even worse, these nations are not limited to Europe: you can run this kind of trade while playing as an African Empire. I'm amazed by how no one has yet denounced these "problematic" contents...

Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

QuoteIf you have a problem with a game where there are no people of European descent represented, than this game is probably not for you.

Wasn't this explicit enough for you?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 08:32:22 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2021, 05:21:01 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

No, as far as it is described, the mark shows up on all people - and on animals and plants too. It doesn't indicate that anyone in chosen -- or alternatively, it shows that *everyone* is chosen.

As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

It honestly sounds like its been coordinated with California's new grade school ethnic studies curriculum...

Students are to be taught that white Christian settlers committed "theocide" against indigenous tribes when they arrived in the New World by murdering Native American gods and replacing them with the Christian God. According to the curriculum, this replacement ushered in a regime defined by "coloniality, dehumanization, and genocide," and the "explicit erasure and replacement of holistic Indigeneity and humanity." But all is not lost, we are told. For students will learn that they have the power and the responsibility to build a social order defined by "countergenocide," which will eventually supplant the last vestiges of colonial Christianity and pave the way for the "regeneration of indigenous epistemic and cultural futurity."

Students first clap and chant to the god Tezkatlipoka — whom the Aztecs traditionally worshipped with human sacrifice and cannibalism — asking him for the power to be "warriors" for "social justice." Next, the students chant to the gods Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, and Xipe Totek, seeking "healing epistemologies" and "a revolutionary spirit." Huitzilopochtli, in particular, is the Aztec deity of war and inspired hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices during Aztec rule. Finally, the chant comes to a climax with a request for "liberation, transformation, [and] decolonization," after which students shout "Panche beh! Panche beh!" in pursuit of ultimate "critical consciousness."

I wonder how many spellpoints the spellcasters in Crow & Coyote will get for ritually sacrificing the children of rival tribes to Huitzilopochtli?

RPG.net is a cult

Quote from: Reckall on March 31, 2021, 12:01:42 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 31, 2021, 09:04:21 AM
I'd be genuinely interested in a setting about "what if the Americas were never colonized?" But the wokeness ruins everything it touches.

Among the woke, there's this stupid idea that pre-colonization Americas were some kind of paradise without war or waves of migration like the entire rest of the world has always been. Which is clearly wrong.

If this game is informed by that bizarre "my shit doesn't stink and comes out bright pink" fantasy, then it's not the kind of game I want to play.

In "Europa Universalis 4" you can start as a Native American tribe and discover the wonders of all-out warfare in pre-Colombian America (the Inca Empire, BTW, was in the middle of a civil war when the Spaniards arrived). The next expansion, "Leviathan", will flesh out even more the "corners of the World", like the island-dwellers in the Pacific (hint: island-hopping warfare was not invented in WWII) and others. I can't wait for it.

Of course EU4 is the game where you can run a slave trade like the... uhm... slave trading nations did. Even worse, these nations are not limited to Europe: you can run this kind of trade while playing as an African Empire. I'm amazed by how no one has yet denounced these "problematic" contents...

Because nobody is stupid enough to outright state that they don't believe non-white people engaged in slavery because they know it will result in them losing credibility among the general public?

The woke know that claiming that "only white people engaged in slave trade" is false and that nobody will believe such a claim. So they just avoid bringing attention to it and trick people into just not thinking about it. Self-delusion is extremely easy this way.

Quote from: Gagarth on March 31, 2021, 01:15:19 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

QuoteIf you have a problem with a game where there are no people of European descent represented, than this game is probably not for you.

Wasn't this explicit enough for you?

I assumed it was just typical nonsensical virtue signaling woke talking points, not a explicit statement that white people were wiped out. They don't specifically mention people of African or Asian descent, even though they're not represented in the game either.

Quote from: Chris24601 on March 31, 2021, 01:20:35 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 08:32:22 PM

Quote from: jhkim on March 30, 2021, 05:21:01 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 30, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
From what I read in their pitch, an asteroid exterminated the evul huwhite and gave some of the "natives" a special mark, because they're the choosen people.

No, as far as it is described, the mark shows up on all people - and on animals and plants too. It doesn't indicate that anyone in chosen -- or alternatively, it shows that *everyone* is chosen.

As for Europeans, it is left undefined what happened to the rest of the world, including Europe. GMs can define for themselves. The only thing specified in the game is that no one has contacted the Americas at the start of the game.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

It honestly sounds like its been coordinated with California's new grade school ethnic studies curriculum...

Students are to be taught that white Christian settlers committed "theocide" against indigenous tribes when they arrived in the New World by murdering Native American gods and replacing them with the Christian God. According to the curriculum, this replacement ushered in a regime defined by "coloniality, dehumanization, and genocide," and the "explicit erasure and replacement of holistic Indigeneity and humanity." But all is not lost, we are told. For students will learn that they have the power and the responsibility to build a social order defined by "countergenocide," which will eventually supplant the last vestiges of colonial Christianity and pave the way for the "regeneration of indigenous epistemic and cultural futurity."

Students first clap and chant to the god Tezkatlipoka — whom the Aztecs traditionally worshipped with human sacrifice and cannibalism — asking him for the power to be "warriors" for "social justice." Next, the students chant to the gods Quetzalcoatl, Huitzilopochtli, and Xipe Totek, seeking "healing epistemologies" and "a revolutionary spirit." Huitzilopochtli, in particular, is the Aztec deity of war and inspired hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices during Aztec rule. Finally, the chant comes to a climax with a request for "liberation, transformation, [and] decolonization," after which students shout "Panche beh! Panche beh!" in pursuit of ultimate "critical consciousness."

I wonder how many spellpoints the spellcasters in Crow & Coyote will get for ritually sacrificing the children of rival tribes to Huitzilopochtli?

Oh please. We all know the woke are going to whitewash the human sacrifice and present their revisionist neo-Aztec religion as a religion of peace that has more in common with Wicca than the real Aztec religion. Or even the modern Mesoamerican religion(s) which syncretizes Spanish Catholicism with indigenous beliefs.

At least until the Islamofacists start demanding that everyone worship God. Then we can probably expect the neo-Aztecs to start sacrificing the monotheists.