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How Tabletop RPGs Are Being Reclaimed From Bigots and Jerks

Started by Gagarth, March 15, 2021, 12:17:10 PM

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Ratman_tf

#16
March 15, 2021, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on March 15, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 15, 2021, 12:28:05 PM
For those who don't want to give Vice the clicks allow me to sum it up;

Quite right, fuck giving money to Identitarian Marxist scum. Points to an archive now.

Archive isn't loading for me.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Ratman_tf

#17
March 15, 2021, 07:35:17 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 15, 2021, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on March 15, 2021, 12:17:10 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20210308122723/https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3mw5b/how-tabletop-rpgs-are-being-reclaimed-from-bigots-and-jerks

We already had a thread about this article, back in January 2020 when the article came out. Here's the thread link:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/vice-claiming-tabletop-rpgs-are-being-reclaimed-from-bigots/

Ah, the good old "This is terribly -ist, but we still want to make money off it, so buy it because we're the exception to the -ism!" article.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

TJS

#18
March 15, 2021, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 15, 2021, 07:32:14 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on March 15, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on March 15, 2021, 12:28:05 PM
For those who don't want to give Vice the clicks allow me to sum it up;

Quite right, fuck giving money to Identitarian Marxist scum. Points to an archive now.

Archive isn't loading for me.
Just do a search for the title.  It's not like it's actually been deleted or anything.

Reckall

#19
March 15, 2021, 08:05:22 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on March 15, 2021, 04:30:41 PM
I'd like to know what Evil Hat produces that is worth spending money on.
For a funny but interesting analysis of this fiasco, check the following video:

For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

Shawn Driscoll

#20
March 15, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: Reckall on March 15, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.
There's nothing intellectual about Bioshock.

Anon Adderlan

#21
March 15, 2021, 11:01:11 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 15, 2021, 05:11:24 PM
We already had a thread about this article, back in January 2020 when the article came out. Here's the thread link:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/vice-claiming-tabletop-rpgs-are-being-reclaimed-from-bigots/

Must be a slow news day.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 15, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
Bryk said she'll keep fighting fascists online as she sees them, and she'll keep writing content warnings and guides for players. "It makes people feel safe, while also making it clear that people who engage with the material in bad faith are not welcome," she said.

Bryk is the only person besides Zak who blocked me for agreeing with them. They also both hate Olivia Hill with a passion. I suspect they have even more in common than either is willing to admit.

Quote from: Reckall on March 15, 2021, 01:29:18 PM
if Lovecraft disparaged, among others, Italians and Asians, how comes that Italy and Japan are two of the countries where his tales are most enjoyed and revered? Maybe because the readers are able to put them in context and just shrug off the offensive parts?

Internalized somethingsomething.

Quote from: Brigman on March 15, 2021, 01:31:31 PM
I thought 'Gatekeeping = Bad'?  :o

Not when they do it.

Lunamancer

#22
March 15, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
The question is, were tabletop RPGs ever in the control of bigots and jerks? And my answer is, not in my experience. I appreciate that others may have had different experiences. And to them, my question is, why do you hang out with so many bigots and jerks? Like is it just low self-esteem, or is it more of a birds of a feather thing? Either way, I won't be lectured by such people.
That's my two cents anyway. Carry on, crawler.

Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito.

Brigman

#23
March 15, 2021, 11:54:44 PM
My gaming group back in the 80s had several white guys, a Native American dude, a Chinese-American guy, a Korean girl, and occasional participation from other folks' significant others.  We pretty much played with everyone we could hijack into gaming with us.
PEACE!
- Brigs

Arkansan

#24
March 16, 2021, 02:46:40 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer on March 15, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
The question is, were tabletop RPGs ever in the control of bigots and jerks? And my answer is, not in my experience. I appreciate that others may have had different experiences. And to them, my question is, why do you hang out with so many bigots and jerks? Like is it just low self-esteem, or is it more of a birds of a feather thing? Either way, I won't be lectured by such people.

The very idea that anyone was ever in control of tabletop RPGs is farcical. Tabletop RPGs are so decentralized by their very nature that I can't conceive a way you could truly control them. Every table I've played at has been different, as has every one I've run to one degree or another. This is just a perversion of the classic appeal to the past for justification, instead of saying "it must be this way because it once was" they say "it must be this way because it was not".

Reckall

#25
March 16, 2021, 05:31:30 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on March 15, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: Reckall on March 15, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.
There's nothing intellectual about Bioshock.
I'm glad to see that you got the point.
For every idiot who denounces Ayn Rand as "intellectualism" there is an excellent DM who creates a "Bioshock" adventure.

horsesoldier

#26
March 16, 2021, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer on March 15, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
The question is, were tabletop RPGs ever in the control of bigots and jerks? And my answer is, not in my experience. I appreciate that others may have had different experiences. And to them, my question is, why do you hang out with so many bigots and jerks? Like is it just low self-esteem, or is it more of a birds of a feather thing? Either way, I won't be lectured by such people.

Same for me.

A leftist sees a hobby that used to be overwhelmingly white/male and is still heavily white (less male, but still a majority). They inevitably assume it was for nefarious reasons.

Samsquantch

#27
March 16, 2021, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: Brigman on March 15, 2021, 11:54:44 PM
My gaming group back in the 80s had several white guys, a Native American dude, a Chinese-American guy, a Korean girl, and occasional participation from other folks' significant others.  We pretty much played with everyone we could hijack into gaming with us.

Same with me. All school friends and friends of friends. Asians, blacks, gay, lesbian, and bi, and white folks of both sexes. Same deal later when I DMed in the military (though sexuality was not brought up back then but it probably wouldn't have mattered to anyone anyhow). Same deal now, the last three females of four in the group were bisexual and openly so.

In the 80's we took anyone we could and only kicked out assholes for being assholes. Nothing's changed since. I think I'm not very good at being a bigot like they say I should be.

Samsquantch

#28
March 16, 2021, 02:10:03 PM
Quote from: Arkansan on March 16, 2021, 02:46:40 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer on March 15, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
The question is, were tabletop RPGs ever in the control of bigots and jerks? And my answer is, not in my experience. I appreciate that others may have had different experiences. And to them, my question is, why do you hang out with so many bigots and jerks? Like is it just low self-esteem, or is it more of a birds of a feather thing? Either way, I won't be lectured by such people.

The very idea that anyone was ever in control of tabletop RPGs is farcical. Tabletop RPGs are so decentralized by their very nature that I can't conceive a way you could truly control them. Every table I've played at has been different, as has every one I've run to one degree or another. This is just a perversion of the classic appeal to the past for justification, instead of saying "it must be this way because it once was" they say "it must be this way because it was not".

I honestly believe its all lies and made up. The only person I have ever personally known in 40 years of gaming that has reported any kind of bigotry or exclusion is one of my current players who is female and wanted to play at school and the boys wouldn't let her. One person in 40 years. That of course doesn't mean it didn't happen to anyone else but I doubt it is nearly as widespread as they want the public to believe.

Samsquantch

#29
March 16, 2021, 02:11:29 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 16, 2021, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer on March 15, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
The question is, were tabletop RPGs ever in the control of bigots and jerks? And my answer is, not in my experience. I appreciate that others may have had different experiences. And to them, my question is, why do you hang out with so many bigots and jerks? Like is it just low self-esteem, or is it more of a birds of a feather thing? Either way, I won't be lectured by such people.

Same for me.

A leftist sees a hobby that used to be overwhelmingly white/male and is still heavily white (less male, but still a majority). They inevitably assume it was for nefarious reasons.

Like hiking and skiing apparently now...
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