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Author Topic: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?  (Read 980 times)

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How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« on: April 03, 2021, 08:50:09 PM »
Death cult, lots of references to blood, keeps coming back, wants people to "let him in".

I can see a game where that is a secret truth. I can also see people going absolutely crazy just mentioning the idea.

Could it Ever be done? Is there a group of people that would actually give it a go?

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2021, 09:12:07 PM »
Throw these questions out to your group in a Session 0. It's the only way to know if it will matter to the people you're going to play with.

As for publishing something like this, it might go fine for the edgy sorts that Vampire-type games attract. Is it really any more ridiculous than OP's "God-Machine" with angels and demons being like Agents from the Matrix (rogue Agents in the case of demons)?

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2021, 09:27:33 PM »
Lots and lots, or none at all -- just like burrahobbits.

On the lots and lots side, it could cause a major moral panic.

On the none at all side, as a High Church Christian, I'm curious, what does this do to Transubstantiation? Are all of the folks who believe they are literally drinking Jesus' blood and eating His flesh during communion Ghouls? Is that the real secret to eternal life?

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 12:26:13 AM »
  I think it would cause a shitload of trouble.  Of course you may find a group that has no issue with it, I think you could find a group that enjoys detailed sexual assault scenes, overtly racist themes and ideas and scenes playing out, torture and dismemberment scenes, etc.

   I am not saying the mere idea compares to the other things, but in a whole lot of people's minds, it will be on par with the most utterly offensive thing you could think of.  Call me a prude, but though I like to keep themes of games adult and for people with critical thought, I dont see a real payoff in fun or game experience in trying to come up with one of the most offensive things to some people I could imagine. 

  If your plan is to present this to a group of people you know well, I guess I am with HappyDaze, and present the idea before running with the game and see where they stand.  As a published thing, well, good luck.   I personally would not want to see if I could push a few zealot christians to carry out a crusade (and I mean the middle ages kind, not the jack chick kind).

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 01:32:04 AM »
  I think it would cause a shitload of trouble.  Of course you may find a group that has no issue with it, I think you could find a group that enjoys detailed sexual assault scenes, overtly racist themes and ideas and scenes playing out, torture and dismemberment scenes, etc.

   I am not saying the mere idea compares to the other things, but in a whole lot of people's minds, it will be on par with the most utterly offensive thing you could think of.  Call me a prude, but though I like to keep themes of games adult and for people with critical thought, I dont see a real payoff in fun or game experience in trying to come up with one of the most offensive things to some people I could imagine. 

  If your plan is to present this to a group of people you know well, I guess I am with HappyDaze, and present the idea before running with the game and see where they stand.  As a published thing, well, good luck.   I personally would not want to see if I could push a few zealot christians to carry out a crusade (and I mean the middle ages kind, not the jack chick kind).
If you play it off as parody, like South Park does with their Jesus stuff, you might get a pass. Or maybe not.

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 02:30:40 AM »
So Stunning & Brave.
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 02:52:35 AM »
So Stunning & Brave.

Because when he asks:

"How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?"

He knows he will not be met with immediate threats of violence for suggesting it.

Those intolerant and bigoted Christians seem to be a bunch of big softies.

Now if he had rephrased his question to:

"How Much Trouble Would Playing Muhammed As A Vampire Cause?"

And posted his question here:
https://www.gawaher.com/forum/183-islamic-western-dialogue/

That would be some stunning and brave shit.
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 02:55:58 AM »
It's not in itself any more offensive an idea than a game like The Last Exodus. Which is not to say it wouldn't be hugely offensive, at least to people like me who take their Christian faith at least semi-seriously, but that's a small enough proportion of the gaming hobby in the West that there might be an audience.

A bigger strike against the idea is that I don't see a lot of repeat gameplay value in it once the shock quotient wears off, not without a lot of drastically reinventing the world background. Exactly how would it enter a game, and how would the ramifications of this discovery affect gameplay?
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 03:32:03 AM »
I don't think it's possible to do this without coming across as either 12 years old or just a massive edgelord, but if you're cool with that, . . . *shrugs*
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2021, 03:56:19 AM »
Death cult, lots of references to blood, keeps coming back, wants people to "let him in".

I can see a game where that is a secret truth. I can also see people going absolutely crazy just mentioning the idea.

Could it Ever be done? Is there a group of people that would actually give it a go?

Could it Ever be done? Yeah, dumber ideas have become games.


Is there a group of people that would actually give it a go? Yeah, idiots abound in this world of ours.


Why am I so negative? Because the idea is boring. Edgelord game design for shock value becomes nothing but schlock.

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2021, 04:32:47 AM »
It could work in a parallel World, or maybe as a part of the "True Reality" in Kult (but I don't know Kult enough to judge if it could work in that setting).

Regarding the Transubstantiation, that's something that bothered me since I went to Sunday School when I was a kid. Over and over we were told that it must be intended in the most literal way. That's a basic cannibalistic rite not even "hidden in plain sight" - but literally in plain sight.
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2021, 06:56:59 AM »
Greetings!

The idea is terrible and very offensive. Advertising and promoting such a game depicting such, as Jaeger mentioned, is like a neon sign invitation to being beaten to death with a lead pipe. Considering that in our world right now, people have been attacked, beaten and or killed for far less.

Fast food workers not bringing food fast enough and being assaulted or killed;

Store employees asking someone politely to wear a mask and being assaulted and beaten;

Innocent people sitting outside choosing not to wear a mask, and having women come up to them and attack them and throw hot coffee in their face;

Uber drivers picking someone up for a ride and being tazered to death.

So, promoting a "game" depicting Jesus as a vampire...just no. I don't think such a "game" would be a good idea and would recommend against it very strongly.

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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2021, 07:17:39 AM »
Greetings!

The idea is terrible and very offensive. Advertising and promoting such a game depicting such, as Jaeger mentioned, is like a neon sign invitation to being beaten to death with a lead pipe. Considering that in our world right now, people have been attacked, beaten and or killed for far less.

Fast food workers not bringing food fast enough and being assaulted or killed;

Store employees asking someone politely to wear a mask and being assaulted and beaten;

Innocent people sitting outside choosing not to wear a mask, and having women come up to them and attack them and throw hot coffee in their face;

Uber drivers picking someone up for a ride and being tazered to death.

So, promoting a "game" depicting Jesus as a vampire...just no. I don't think such a "game" would be a good idea and would recommend against it very strongly.

Semper Fidelis,

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I agree, it's really important that we avoid anything that might offend anyone. We must make sure everything is bland and inoffensive, or we deserve all the mostly peaceful bone-breaking that comes our way. Because violence isn't real violence, it's words that are the real violence. Censorship is the only way to make the spaces we exist in safe and secure!

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 08:19:18 AM »
None from my part ! If everyone at the game table is cool with it, why not ?
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Re: How Much Trouble Would Playing Jesus As A Vampire Cause?
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2021, 08:38:56 AM »
Greetings!

The idea is terrible and very offensive. Advertising and promoting such a game depicting such, as Jaeger mentioned, is like a neon sign invitation to being beaten to death with a lead pipe. Considering that in our world right now, people have been attacked, beaten and or killed for far less.

Fast food workers not bringing food fast enough and being assaulted or killed;

Store employees asking someone politely to wear a mask and being assaulted and beaten;

Innocent people sitting outside choosing not to wear a mask, and having women come up to them and attack them and throw hot coffee in their face;

Uber drivers picking someone up for a ride and being tazered to death.

So, promoting a "game" depicting Jesus as a vampire...just no. I don't think such a "game" would be a good idea and would recommend against it very strongly.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I agree, it's really important that we avoid anything that might offend anyone. We must make sure everything is bland and inoffensive, or we deserve all the mostly peaceful bone-breaking that comes our way. Because violence isn't real violence, it's words that are the real violence. Censorship is the only way to make the spaces we exist in safe and secure!

Greetings!

*Laughing* "we deserve all the mostly peaceful bone-breaking that comes our way." ;D

Good stuff, Pat. ;D

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