For a home based Pathfinder game; I'm too far invested into 1E, to ever switch to 2E. I purchased a copy of the Playtest Rulebook; but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E, and a great campaign setting. I'm not replacing what I already have. I don't feel that my PF stuff is lacking anything.
Quote from: Razor 007;1085442For a home based Pathfinder game; I'm too far invested into 1E, to ever switch to 2E. I purchased a copy of the Playtest Rulebook; but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E, and a great campaign setting. I'm not replacing what I already have. I don't feel that my PF stuff is lacking anything.
I'll be keeping Pathfinder 1E and playing it, there's no way in Hell that I am supporting the Marxist propaganda that is Pathfinder 2E.
I am aiming to finish up my Starfinder campaign first. I figure that will give me enough time to see if PF2 is Marxist enough to satisfy me.
Haha!!! Both sides of the coin, in the first two replies!!!
Quote from: Shasarak;1085445I am aiming to finish up my Starfinder campaign first. I figure that will give me enough time to see if PF2 is Marxist enough to satisfy me.
Greetings!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!:D
That had me almost in tears from laughing, my friend.:D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
None of my local players are interested in 2e PF. They got into PF in the first place because it was essentially straight up 3e D&D with more widgets. 2e PF to them is not that.
Quote from: Omega;1085472None of my local players are interested in 2e PF. They got into PF in the first place because it was essentially straight up 3e D&D with more widgets. 2e PF to them is not that.
Yes. That says it well. They are not compatible.
I cannot blame Paizo for trying to actually release something new as with 5E I'm not sure if a rehash of rehash of 3.5 with better production values would sell as well as a second time. The same factors that made PF 1E are not in place this time around. D&D 4E and a fanbase that was at the time more resistant to change. 5E changed that. As well the flaws of the 3.5 rpg engine are well known and short of them relying on 3pp to fix the flaws as the Paizo devs seemed reluctant to fix the flaws they needed something new and fresh even if it may not be for everyone including myself. While I do not see it as Marxist propaganda (curious in what way?).
Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition. To be honest I was already on the fence about buying a new edition of D&D. Reaching an age where on so many levels yet more importantly financially I just do not feel like doing so. If 5E was not released I probably would have as while I can work around many of the flaws of 1E PF I just find it too consuming. The sad part is they could have kept 1E going if the Paizo devs had actually tried to address some of the same flaws in official yet optional spurcebooks like the Skills and Powers for 2E D&D. That being said everyone says they never will buy the new edition yet depending on their area they game in. They either switch over or they do not find a group. Or forced to go on roll20 to get a group. It took me awhile to switch over to 3E when it came out and it killed off about 60-80% of the 1E and 2E D&D campaigns in my area. So it was either adapt and buy the new edition. Or wait who knows how long before older editions campaigns if ever were to come back. Which they did almost a decade later.
I don't even like D&D 5e, but I'm also done with PF1e (no one wants to run it).
PF2e isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's still not exciting. Our group has already moved on to Savage Worlds and PF2e lacks more interesting casters (they nerfed magic so much that I would rather play a Savage Worlds caster, which is sad, because cool magic is the one thing a D&D clone should be doing better. Though magic is still OP, it's just less fun in PF2e).
PF2e is probably going to end up like a Numenera with more baggage for me. A neat little system that I find boring but is clearly well done, with the baggage of this killing a game I liked.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1085529I don't even like D&D 5e, but I'm also done with PF1e (no one wants to run it).
PF2e isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's still not exciting. Our group has already moved on to Savage Worlds and PF2e lacks more interesting casters (they nerfed magic so much that I would rather play a Savage Worlds caster, which is sad, because cool magic is the one thing a D&D clone should be doing better. Though magic is still OP, it's just less fun in PF2e).
PF2e is probably going to end up like a Numenera with more baggage for me. A neat little system that I find boring but is clearly well done, with the baggage of this killing a game I liked.
That is a big hurdle for PF 1E. Someone has to run it, so everyone else can enjoy it.
But with the Playtest, it's not as appealing on the players' side anymore?
I still expect the 640 page 2E rulebook to be an interesting piece of RPG literature, though.
The one PF campaign I'm playing in is my brother's. I don't know if he plans to move to 2nd edition or stick with 1st.
"No NO NO! You all have to convert to the new edition and play gender-fluid Dragonelf Whatchamacallits (new class that can pick any feats, skills, class abilities and spells, regardless of level)!"
The Paizo forums have been a crackling dumpster-fire visible from space ever since the playtest started. It's worse than the D&D 4E launch. Easily. People are committing text-based seppuku.
I cannot believe Paizo missed the mark so badly. Is it just PF1E grogs defending their turf? I liked the "Unchained" rules, but this new version is something different. But, different is same.
I've played & run PF1E. It's a blast, to the point that I thought it might overcome my OTL (The Arcanum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_(role-playing_game)), Bard Games, 1985). But, the available race-class combinations got way too silly for me, eventually. I'll stick to what I wanted AD&D2E to be.
For me though I --- I always feel a measure of pain when editions change because the gamers who REALLY enjoy that previous edition seem to always cry out. Like a gazelle being eaten alive by a lion. Man, these edition changes.
Quote from: sureshot;1085493While I do not see it as Marxist propaganda (curious in what way?).
Marxism ---> heavily influences post World War II French intellectuals (think Foucault & Derrida) ---> French intellectuals' ideas revered by faculties in the USA during the 70s ("French Theory") ---> French Theory mixes with feminism in the 70s and 80s ---> today: Simpering Juvenile Whiners (SJWs) - the ugly postmodern stepchildren of marxism and feminism ; unconsciously or not, they want to dismantle Western civilisation. As a liberal humanist, I say : fuck them and a pox on their mad house !
Quote from: sureshot;1085493Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition.
It had the same effect on me. I really wonder: do Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz, Paizo's bosses, realize that they have alienated some of their former user base with their pseudo-moralistic bullshit ? Do they even care ?
So obviously: no PF 2E for me, unless Paizo cuts on the SJW bullshit.
Ho: they should leave trans people well alone too, instead of "celebrating" them. It's disrespecful of them and cringingly embarrassing (sigh).
Quote from: Razor 007;1085442but I already have probably a dozen books for 1E
In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.
Quote from: happydaze;1085598in pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.
lol & qft.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1085598In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.
Haha!!! I jumped on PF, mainly because I was out of the hobby during 3rd and 4th Edition D&D. I also purchased myself a decent selection of 4E and 5E books as well. Then I went back to the AD&D books, and a little OSR stuff too; just for good measure. If the modifiers and feats were scaled back in PF 1E, I would love it to death. It was much easier to find PF books, than 3rd Edition books in excellent condition.
Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1085588It had the same effect on me. I really wonder: do Lisa Stevens and Vic Wertz, Paizo's bosses, realize that they have alienated some of their former user base with their pseudo-moralistic bullshit ? Do they even care ?
So obviously: no PF 2E for me, unless Paizo cuts on the SJW bullshit.
Ho: they should leave trans people well alone too, instead of "celebrating" them. It's disrespecful of them and cringingly embarrassing (sigh).
When I first read that I had to make sure to pinch myself. Then make sure I was not drunk, high or suffering from a major concussion. Whether we like it or not rpg companies are jumping on the fully woke train. I do not even mind what the intent they were trying to say with those two pages. It was just how they fucking said it. WTF did SJW pea pod people from outer space replace the Paizo staff. It could have been said in so many other betterways and they had to pick the worst way possible to appease the SJWs who play PF. MY job is to DM. Not to be a fucking pop psychologist at least not for free. Play at my table and expect Orcs, Drow and other traditional monsters to be enemies and evil. Before any SJW minded finishes spouting "your perpuating white colonial stereotypes towards defenseless helpless indigenous monster population" One is out the damn door.
It is such a backward thing to do especially when trying to sell a new edition of their core book.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1085568I cannot believe Paizo missed the mark so badly. Is it just PF1E grogs defending their turf? I liked the "Unchained" rules, but this new version is something different. But, different is same.
They complain about Wizards being too powerful and Fighters sucking at the table yet they also do not want both issues fixed so they can just complain about it. Don't you dare fix the issue though. As I said with 5E a rehash of a rehash of 3.5. with better production values was not going to sell either. Many gamers are fucking cheap and they also offer the rules for free though not sure if they do anymore on their online SRD. They fixed both issues and gamers complained "oh noees my caster cannot dominate at the table anymore." Go cry me on river on that I don't care. Casters with the right player and feats could pretty much do almost anything imo.
Someone will eventually run PF 2E somewhere it is inevitable so somewhere someone will be teaching others about it.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1085598In Pathfinder, a dozen books means you're still a dabbler.
Just checked my library - I have 61 Pathfinder publications, though that includes 9 early ones written for 3.5e. I'm definitely just a dabbler though. :D
I'm keeping D&D 3.5 with some of the tweaks made by Paizo for Pathfinder... go figure.
Quote from: Theory of Games;1085568"No NO NO! You all have to convert to the new edition
Well PF1E is open content so the fans fix things if they wanted too in the same way Pazio fixed things with Wizards.
Quote from: sureshot;1085646They complain about Wizards being too powerful and Fighters sucking at the table yet they also do not want both issues fixed so they can just complain about it. Don't you dare fix the issue though. As I said with 5E a rehash of a rehash of 3.5. with better production values was not going to sell either. Many gamers are fucking cheap and they also offer the rules for free though not sure if they do anymore on their online SRD. They fixed both issues and gamers complained "oh noees my caster cannot dominate at the table anymore." Go cry me on river on that I don't care. Casters with the right player and feats could pretty much do almost anything imo.
Someone will eventually run PF 2E somewhere it is inevitable so somewhere someone will be teaching others about it.
What's funny is casters are still objectively stronger than everything else. They are just less fun to play now. Martials still suck and in some ways suck more.
A+ design work
I watched an old Know Direction podcast; in which Jason Buhlman said the people who played the PF Playtest, still haven't played PF 2E yet. He promised it would be different.
Then I watched another Know Direction podcast; in which a Paizo employee claimed the two female characters pictured on the cover of the 2E Rulebook are involved in a lesbian relationship. He specifically mentioned the LGBTQ+ acronym.
Kyra and Merisel (cleric and rogue) have been a couple for years. This is not news.
Quote from: Manic Modron;1085787Kyra and Merisel (cleric and rogue) have been a couple for years. This is not news.
But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover. Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out. Pathetic pandering........
Quote from: Razor 007;1085789But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover. Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out. Pathetic pandering........
I thought it was pretty well understood that most adventurers are somewhat queer. The heterosexual adventures eventually settle down, get married, have kids, etc.
Quote from: Rhedyn;1085796I thought it was pretty well understood that most adventurers are somewhat queer. The heterosexual adventures eventually settle down, get married, have kids, etc.
Wow.... That's enlightening.
I'm all in for Starfinder, but PF2 no way. There's more than enough editions of fantasy gaming on my shelf to scratch the itch. D&D 5e is just fine, and if my crunch-happy friends want to go back to PF1, that's fine too.
Quote from: Razor 007;1085798Wow.... That's enlightening.
Yeah, like the homosexual adventurers don't want to settle down too. Everyone wants to retire someday.
Quote from: Manic Modron;1085829Yeah, like the homosexual adventurers don't want to settle down too. Everyone wants to retire someday.
Old wizard's secluded in their towers, the grizzled old guard captain, wise women all by herself? All queer. Where are their significant others? If they aren't dead they probably have separate houses to lower suspicion and they can afford that luxury since they didn't have kids and apprentices are technically free-labor (cheaper).
In all fairness; blatant pandering by Paizo in PF 2E, is no more offensive to me than pandering by WOTC in D&D 5E. Except, Paizo is trying hard to out pander WOTC. They are alienating some of their potential customers in doing so, and they don't seemingly care. They expect to gain more than they lose. But the ones they gain will demand more and more pandering, whether they actually purchase much product or not. Any gains may be short lived.
Quote from: Razor 007;1085891In all fairness; blatant pandering by Paizo in PF 2E, is no more offensive to me than pandering by WOTC in D&D 5E. Except, Paizo is trying hard to out pander WOTC. They are alienating some of their potential customers in doing so, and they don't seemingly care. They expect to gain more than they lose. But the ones they gain will demand more and more pandering, whether they actually purchase much product or not. Any gains may be short lived.
Exactly I saw and read some diversity and inclusivity elements in 5E. Note I a m not against either even if really for both companies it is suddenly becoming fully woke and pandering to SJWs. With 5E I could see myself still playing the rpg. While one of the reasons for not buying let alone playing 2E PF is essentially Paizo saying "as a player you will confirm to our sudden impossibly high fully woke standards to what is a good more right player for the hobby". At first I was angry enough to no longer play botheditions of PF. as well as not impressed with the new rules overall as a whole and a lack of interest in buying a new edition. To be honest I enjoy PF 1E too much and more importantly I know too many gamers who want to keep playing both.
A friend just send me this link a few minutes ago I never expected this and while it is a smart business move talk about showing your competitor rpg is doing better than yours. With no support for 1E Pathfinder
https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6sgmf&page=3?Help-Paizo-Celebrate-Kingmakers-10th-Anniversary#discuss
10th anniversary King Maker?
Sign me up baby!
Quote from: Shasarak;108593410th anniversary King Maker?
For PF2E/5E only... :(
Quote from: Rhedyn;1085882Old wizard's secluded in their towers, the grizzled old guard captain, wise women all by herself? All queer. Where are their significant others? If they aren't dead they probably have separate houses to lower suspicion and they can afford that luxury since they didn't have kids and apprentices are technically free-labor (cheaper).
You're right, there are absolutely no single straight people in any of those archetypes. Nobody ever gets to old age without having a socially acceptable spouse to live with unless their desired spouse is either dead or socially unacceptable. It just doesn't happen. /s
Quote from: Razor 007;1085789But they purposely pointed out to the LGBTQ+ crowd, "hey look; we've put the lesbians on the front cover now, and we've taken the male fighter off the front cover. Isn't that great!!!". They didn't just do it, they pointed it out. Pathetic pandering........
I have the Kyra/Merisiel coming out comic.
If you can provide blatant fanservice to straight white males while claiming Wokemon points from the LGBTQ you are doing well!
Quote from: Manic Modron;1085956You're right, there are absolutely no single straight people in any of those archetypes. Nobody ever gets to old age without having a socially acceptable spouse to live with unless their desired spouse is either dead or socially unacceptable. It just doesn't happen. /s
Well there are asexuals.
What you really think such accomplished individuals couldn't find somebody if they wanted too?
Quote from: Rhedyn;1085974Well there are asexuals.
What you really think such accomplished individuals couldn't find somebody if they wanted too?
Aside from the very real "they don't want to," yes. It is completely possible. There are plenty of reasons for solitude that don't have to do with whether or not somebody can have a public relationship outside of social taboos.
Quote from: kythri;1085955For PF2E/5E only...
They are the two main systems. I dont mind 5e players getting thrown a bone to suck them into a good RPG system.
Quote from: Shasarak;1086045They are the two main systems. I dont mind 5e players getting thrown a bone to suck them into a good RPG system.
Understand that, but if they're going to multi-stat it, it'd be nice to see PF1E stats as well, given that system ain't going anywhere anytime soon...
Quote from: kythri;1086055Understand that, but if they're going to multi-stat it, it'd be nice to see PF1E stats as well, given that system ain't going anywhere anytime soon...
PF 1E will keep on existing for another 10 years, without any new adventures being released for it.
I'm tempted to get together with some of my fellow gamers and make our own fork of Pathfinder 1E just to spite the Anarcho-Communist/Marxist-Leninist propaganda trainwreck of Pathfinder 2E.
Y'know, sort of like how Pathfinder was initially a D&D 3.5 retro-clone that was created to spite the very existence of the colossal trainwreck that was D&D 4E.
Long time pathfinder fan here and I've been totally turned off by the thing mainly by there new art for the iconics which (IMHO) looks much worse than the origonal versions except for 1. What has really pissed me off is the way there handling critasism of the new art (Apparently any critique of the female characters is shaming of real life women). Which in the case of the only updated one I like the sorceror Seoni is especially jarring or to paraphrase Archer "Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to highlight her intellect."
Just so everyone can see what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4P (https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4P)
And Seoni old vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http:// (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http://)
And new paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg (https://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg)
Paizo is rolling the dice on their own 2E. I knew they would, at some point. But a lot of their claim to fame, was that you could continue to play the version you already knew and loved.
Quote from: Kevin197;1087414"Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to highlight her intellect."
Was just looking at level 12 Seoni stats this morning - she has all of INT 10. :D
That new outfit looks hilariously bad to me. Why do Paizo slut-shame their Seoni (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/83/5a/ce835a0fdb77d7f9f84faa688c3867f6.jpg) cosplayers (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/8d/c5/078dc5e34a205dcd6a74096c5c48d7e8.jpg) like this??
Quote from: Kevin197;1087414Long time pathfinder fan here and I've been totally turned off by the thing mainly by there new art for the iconics which (IMHO) looks much worse than the origonal versions except for 1. What has really pissed me off is the way there handling critasism of the new art (Apparently any critique of the female characters is shaming of real life women). Which in the case of the only updated one I like the sorceror Seoni is especially jarring or to paraphrase Archer "Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to highlight her intellect."
Just so everyone can see what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4Phttp:// (https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4Phttp://)
And Seoni old https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http:// (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http://)
And new https://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg (https://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg)
Your first two URLs have an extra trailing http:// on them that breaks them.
Who's the new artist? Wayne Reynolds is the original.
Quote from: S'mon;1087427That new outfit looks hilariously bad to me. Why do Paizo slut-shame their Seoni (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/83/5a/ce835a0fdb77d7f9f84faa688c3867f6.jpg) cosplayers (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/8d/c5/078dc5e34a205dcd6a74096c5c48d7e8.jpg) like this??
Don't you know looking sexy and attractive is a bad thing now. better the character look like she is wearing some old drapes my grandmother used to have on the windows then actually look practical. In any case I'm sure most Seoni cosplayer will just ignore the new look. Unless the SJWs cosplay sjame into them having to wear the new one.
Quote from: kythri;1087433Your first two URLs have an extra trailing http:// on them that breaks them.
Who's the new artist? Wayne Reynolds is the original.
Still Wayne Reynold
Ugh. What happened to him?
Quote from: kythri;1087454Ugh. What happened to him?
I know right? Your responce is the exact same ive gotten from everyone in my group ive shown.
I was kinda worried (I don't much care for PF) that our Wednesday night group would embrace PF 2e since a couple of them went all in on PF stuff during 1e... but that doesn't seem to be the case and they're playing D&D 5e instead.
Quote from: sureshot;1085493Their insulting, finger wagging, talking down to myself and other gamers as if we are terrible people SJW "you must be a full time psychologist" Manifesto on pages 6&7 did turn me off wanting to buy the new edition.
Can you post a sample?
Quote from: Aglondir;1088254Can you post a sample?
A photo of the section in question would be wonderful, but I haven't had any pictures hosted since the Photobucket changes of recent past. I own the book. It's the most touchy feely section of GM instructions I've ever read. Bunch of safe space stuff, telling you what to allow and incorporate at your gaming table.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/9dpisn/socjus_tabletop_gaming_paizo_pushes_sjw_nonsense/
It is from an older Reddit thread and they post excerpts from Pathfinder 2E suddenly fully woke manifesto from the core. What happened to don't be a jerk and treat everyone with respect.
You know I used to believe the expresion get woke go broke was comlpete and utter nonsense bull*&^£ but good gods have paizo and there current forums managed to prove me wrong.
Quote from: Kevin197;1088309You know I used to believe the expresion get woke go broke was comlpete and utter nonsense bull*&^£ but good gods have paizo and there current forums managed to prove me wrong.
I have not really been active on them for a quite awhile. Has it really become that bad.
Quote from: sureshot;1088316I have not really been active on them for a quite awhile. Has it really become that bad.
I had never visited there before, but it did not take long to find this:
QuoteWhat the heck is this? (Why in the 9 Hells did they put politics in the game?)
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I participated in a playtest of PF 2E recently. I'm not a fan of the first edition, and I heard that they were aiming to make 2E simpler so I thought it might appeal to me. I think they were aiming to make the game more like 5E, but oddly, it felt like 4E. Some highlights (?):
It was just a simple tavern brawl followed by some RP.
I did not encounter any social justice, which I'm guessing is in the book but not the rules.**
Everyone got three actions per turn, but it felt more cumbersome than heroic.
The characters had class-specific maneuvers* which cost multiple actions.
Only fighters got AoO, which was actually cool.
The damage output was inflated (swords do 2d8) so they had to inflate the HP. This made the game feel bloated.
Skills did not have ranks, but codewords like expert*, master*, etc. which seemed totally like ranks since they gave you +1, +2, etc.
If you rolled 10 over your DC, you got a critical. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it created a weird dissonance.
The overall experience was merely Ok. Worse than 5E.
*May be the wrong term, or even just wrong.
** I do not have, nor have I read, the rules.
Quote from: Aglondir;1088388*May be the wrong term, or even just wrong.
Some of those things are wrong, but not many of them.
There are no mundane weapons in the playtest rules that do 2d anything. Maybe there was a magic sword in the mix, but a standard longsword is still 1d8. They do seem to want to do more dice rather than more static numbers though. You are more likely to have 2d8 than d8+4.
Hitpoints bloated? Maybe. It is like in their Starfinder line: species + class + Con bonus. Every level you get your class hit points + con bonus again. So a boost at level one and then effectively maximum hit points each level. So kinda bloated, but not by much.
Those code words are called "Proficiency Ranks." They seem like ranks because they are. They are both bonuses and skill unlocks, some things can't be done unless you have a certain rank and some things work better at certain ranks.
I really do like attacks of opportunity being only for Fighters though.
I have all the 2E on order, and await a chance to find out if it was money well spent or me investing in a bunch of books I will throw on ebay a couple weeks later.
In the meantime, I have all my core 1E books + I've been grabbing all the pocket editions because I Gotta Catch Em All!
1E has served me well over the years, not going to quit it anytime soon (even if 5E is the only game in town around here for most....sigh.)
Quote from: camazotz;1089217In the meantime, I have all my core 1E books + I've been grabbing all the pocket editions because I Gotta Catch Em All!
I read on their forums that someone asked if the Inner Sea series of books would be getting the pocket edition treatment and from the posts they are probably not going to do pocket editions of those. They probably plan to do 2E version of the books. I can definitely see 2E versions of Inner Sea Gods and Inner Sea World guide being released. Inner Sea races is not a bad book just more fluff on some of their iconic races, buy either used or online.
Where I live now the PF group I was in crashed & burned. I looked around and all the long running PF groups I knew of poofed into the wind. That's fine, lots of home fixing needs attention.
Where I'm moving all the PF groups seemingly poofed as well. 5E seems to be everywhere. AD&D1E/OSR-friendly groups there, though.
Talked to a guy where I used to live and he mention PF faded as well.
PF2E can get stuffed. Looks like I'll be back in the OSR-saddle again. Maybe try to get a group into Castles & Crusades. Maybe ACKS. If not, I can live with (A)D&D.
Quote from: Kevin197;1087414Long time pathfinder fan here and I've been totally turned off by the thing mainly by there new art for the iconics which (IMHO) looks much worse than the origonal versions except for 1. What has really pissed me off is the way there handling critasism of the new art (Apparently any critique of the female characters is shaming of real life women). Which in the case of the only updated one I like the sorceror Seoni is especially jarring or to paraphrase Archer "Yes because thats why you put Seoni in her origonal outfit to highlight her intellect."
Just so everyone can see what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4P (https://imgur.com/gallery/2w8CP4P)
And Seoni old vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http:// (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/2/2a/Seoni.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080602020008http://)
And new paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg (https://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderRPG/20190509-Seoni.jpg)
Wow, they've managed to make their iconics completely sanitized, "G rated" and completely free of any possible sex appeal by covering them all up and removing any possible curves lest anyone possibly be offended. Yikes, the Paizo folks really are terrified of offending anyone, aren't they. Ugh. Fucking disgusting.
Seoni was a hot thang in PF1.
Quote from: zagreus;1089371Wow, they've managed to make their iconics completely sanitized, "G rated" and completely free of any possible sex appeal by covering them all up and removing any possible curves lest anyone possibly be offended. Yikes, the Paizo folks really are terrified of offending anyone, aren't they. Ugh. Fucking disgusting.
Removing even the hint of curves from the paladin's armour is quite funny.
But I'm most struck by how the faces have become wan and drawn. They're not having a good time. They look miserable now.
They look like SJWs.
https://i.imgur.com/l3IVyE8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C0MggPx.jpg
The barbarian gets it worst, despite keeping the Britney Spears outfit:
https://i.imgur.com/lh2sQFF.jpg
Quote from: S'mon;1089390Removing even the hint of curves from the paladin's armour is quite funny.
But I'm most struck by how the faces have become wan and drawn. They're not having a good time. They look miserable now.
They look like SJWs.
https://i.imgur.com/l3IVyE8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C0MggPx.jpg
The barbarian gets it worst, despite keeping the Britney Spears outfit:
https://i.imgur.com/lh2sQFF.jpg
It's funny, even Disney princesses are allowed to have curves. Pathfinder iconics aren't. I've been to the message boards there and on rpg.net. It seems like bizarro land to me.
Quote from: zagreus;1089371Wow, they've managed to make their iconics completely sanitized, "G rated" and completely free of any possible sex appeal by covering them all up and removing any possible curves lest anyone possibly be offended. Yikes, the Paizo folks really are terrified of offending anyone, aren't they. Ugh. Fucking disgusting.
The funny thing is the people they are now trying to market towards have already turned on them if the whole nonsense about Folca and Jessica price's shitstorm tweets are anything to go by.
Quote from: zagreus;1089371Wow, they've managed to make their iconics completely sanitized, "G rated" and completely free of any possible sex appeal by covering them all up and removing any possible curves lest anyone possibly be offended. Yikes, the Paizo folks really are terrified of offending anyone, aren't they. Ugh. Fucking disgusting.
The funny thing is the people they are now trying to market towards have already turned on them if the whole nonsense about Folca and Jessica price's shitstorm tweets are anything to go by.
Quote from: S'mon;1089390Removing even the hint of curves from the paladin's armour is quite funny.
But I'm most struck by how the faces have become wan and drawn. They're not having a good time. They look miserable now.
They look like SJWs.
https://i.imgur.com/l3IVyE8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C0MggPx.jpg
The barbarian gets it worst, despite keeping the Britney Spears outfit:
https://i.imgur.com/lh2sQFF.jpg
The first is the normal barbarian. The second is the barbarian after she's been attacked by a wight and got part of her soul sucked out of her. Pale. Colorless, and lacking skin on her bones.
It's like the artist doesn't even want to do take these notes from editorial but he "needs to eat". (It's the same artist for both)