Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1062141Considering these are the reasons I'm leaving this hobby, I suspect they aren't the way to attract casual and lapsed players either.

Because a couple of nuts are arguing on twitter? I doubt many RPGers even know about the existence of Pundit or Alexander, much less follow them on twitter.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1062257Because a couple of nuts are arguing on twitter? I doubt many RPGers even know about the existence of Pundit or Alexander, much less follow them on twitter.

Unless they're harrassing you personally, I think it's silly to leave a hobby because some other people are being jerks.

Most people who play games have no idea what goes on in obscure little corners of the internet. Maybe it's time for a twitter break.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1062253... plus hummus & crudité.

Thus is the way of the D.O.N.G.

I do enjoy hummus. But it gets old after a while. While the D.O.N.G. has no official stance on vegetarians, crudité is for rabbits.

Quote from: tenbones;1062353I do enjoy hummus. But it gets old after a while. While the D.O.N.G. has no official stance on vegetarians, crudité is for rabbits.

D.O.N.G. ?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1062370D.O.N.G. ?

Department Of Neutral Gamemasters

Not to be confused with the online anti-Furry organization D.O.N.G.L.- Dicks Only Nuking Gerbil-Lovers.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1062257Because a couple of nuts are arguing on twitter? I doubt many RPGers even know about the existence of Pundit or Alexander, much less follow them on twitter.

Well, definitely not Alexander.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1062257Because a couple of nuts are arguing on twitter? I doubt many RPGers even know about the existence of Pundit or Alexander, much less follow them on twitter.

But that's the thing, it's not just a couple of nuts anymore, it's almost every game designer, forum mod, and event runner I know of at this point. Great that your average gamer doesn't know or give a damn, but they're not the ones in control or setting policies.

This shitshow has metastasized into an unavoidable mess, and I'm tired of it.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1063336Great that your average gamer doesn't know or give a damn, but they're not the ones in control or setting policies.

In control of what? Setting policies on what?

None of this affects whether I can get players for my game session, or what we do at these game sessions.

There's actually a similar drama going on in the barbell training world at the moment. And none of the lifters in my gym know anything about it unless I tell them, and even when I do, most aren't interested.

Let us not feed their delusions of relevance.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1063342There's actually a similar drama going on in the barbell training world at the moment.

And HEMA. It's everywhere. SJWS have to control *everything*; they can never stop.

Quote from: S'mon;1063344And HEMA. It's everywhere. SJWS have to control *everything*; they can never stop.

What they will accomplish with their efforts to change the RPG industry; is that they will inspire the creation of games that appeal to them, but nobody else.  Then, if D&D / PF Special Snowflake Edition isn't as commercially successful as prior editions; they will blame it on our hateful bias.

Quote from: S'mon;1063344And HEMA. It's everywhere. SJWS have to control *everything*; they can never stop.

Which is why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jln3mi0vfJU

Quote from: Razor 007;1063444What they will accomplish with their efforts to change the RPG industry; is that they will inspire the creation of games that appeal to them, but nobody else.  Then, if D&D / PF Special Snowflake Edition isn't as commercially successful as prior editions; they will blame it on our hateful bias.

Just like how the comic book industry has ruined itself.

Quote from: S'mon;1063344And HEMA. It's everywhere. SJWS have to control *everything*; they can never stop.

To my mind it's like the thing of our local councils doing all this crazy stuff in case someone gets hurts or discriminated against. They spend $10 million to avoid a $100,000 lawsuit payout. They'll pay an extra $9.9 million just to avoid the drama and bad publicity - it is after all someone else's money.

So I think the genuine SJWs are quite small in number, but for every SJW there are 100 people desperate to avoid any bad publicity or drama. Social Justice Warriors, like Conservative Justice Warriors, are just another version of the customer service nightmare, the woman with the I'd Like To Speak To The Manager haircut. It's the 1% of customers who use up 50% of your time.

Everyone panics lest they trigger someone and meanwhile people are running the Adventurer's League stuff for 5e, or open game tables like mine - and people of all ages, genders, sexualities and ethnic backgrounds are just sitting down, rolling up a character and playing. That's how you attract people to games, and that's how you're inclusive: you just lay the books on the table in a game club and invite people to play.

As I've said before, this stuff is really taking off, we're seeing numbers of people gaming we've not seen since the 80s. And it's not because of X-cards or posters up with Tolerance & Inclusivity Policies, it's not because the warrior woman on page 123 is mentioned as being a transwoman. It's because people are sitting down at game tables and inviting people to play. And the modern world of social media has left people friendless and lonely and wanting face-to-face contact. So they come along and play.

The major deficiency is the lack of small talk and snacks. After 10-20 years of sitting around at home alone at their keyboards, people have forgotten how to socialise. They no longer know how to just shoot the shit with people, or that eating and sharing food is a basic way human beings bond with each-other.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1063446Just like how the comic book industry has ruined itself.

Comic books were already ruined by adult collectors, which turned a kid's fun thing in SuperShockEdgyEmoCool horseshit. Fat neckbeards ruined comic books long before SJWs got to them.