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Honey Badgers youtube interview with James Desborough

Started by S'mon, February 05, 2015, 03:02:39 AM

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Ratman_tf

#1
February 05, 2015, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: S'mon;814182https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxh6flebxe4 - I thought this was pretty interesting.

I liked it. It was good to get Desborough's side of the story. I wonder if Zak and/or Mandy might consider going on the show. They seem to have some interesting things to say about the PC moral brigade.
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TristramEvans

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February 05, 2015, 10:48:02 AM Last Edit: February 05, 2015, 10:51:00 AM by TristramEvans
It was interesting, but I always get itchy when exposed to one side's PoV solely, even if its a side I agree with, ultimately. I generally prefer debates and exchanges of opposing PoV, as I think echo-chambers generally lead to entropy.


I thought the most important point made in the whole broadcast is the that really the best way to deal with people like Sarkeesian and Wu is to not pay them any attention.

Ratman_tf

#3
February 05, 2015, 12:07:06 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;814210I thought the most important point made in the whole broadcast is the that really the best way to deal with people like Sarkeesian and Wu is to not pay them any attention.

Ignoring them only makes it worse. That's how we got here in the first place. That's how rpg.net turned into such a shithole. Pay attention, and they claim harassment, ignore them, and they keep expanding.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

TristramEvans

#4
February 05, 2015, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;814219Ignoring them only makes it worse. That's how we got here in the first place. That's how rpg.net turned into such a shithole. Pay attention, and they claim harassment, ignore them, and they keep expanding.

By ignore, I don't mean "allow to get into a position of authority". I ignore Sarah Palin too.

Snowman0147

#5
February 05, 2015, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;814196I liked it. It was good to get Desborough's side of the story. I wonder if Zak and/or Mandy might consider going on the show. They seem to have some interesting things to say about the PC moral brigade.

I hadn't forgiven Zak for calling James sexist base on what his friends had told him.  That just pisses me off that Zak did that.  The whole, "Well my friends told me so it must be true," is something I find pretty ignorant.  My friends told me things and guess what?  They were wrong.  Hell I been wrong some times and told my friends which they proved I was wrong.  Point is friends do make errors and unwise judgements.

Shipyard Locked

#6
February 05, 2015, 01:26:57 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;814210It was interesting, but I always get itchy when exposed to one side's PoV solely, even if its a side I agree with, ultimately. I generally prefer debates and exchanges of opposing PoV, as I think echo-chambers generally lead to entropy.

Yeah.

I got into an informative argument over Ettin the RPGnet mod with someone on a site unrelated to RPGs. It was good to get pushback, even if it stings at first. Other perspectives are important and keep the analysis level-headed.

Still don't really trust Ettin though.

Bren

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February 05, 2015, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: Shipyard Locked;814230Still don't really trust Ettin though.
Why would you trust an Ettin? It's a two headed troll for gods' sakes.
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Ratman_tf

#8
February 05, 2015, 01:51:10 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;814220By ignore, I don't mean "allow to get into a position of authority". I ignore Sarah Palin too.

I'm seriously curious what your approach would be in that case. Because it's the kind of thing that's been on my mind a lot since the Atheism Plus kerfuffle.

I don't want to censor people or create echo chambers myself, but this SJW-faux-progressive crowd seem to have a pretty strong track record of getting into positions of authority and remaking social spaces to their liking.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

TristramEvans

#9
February 05, 2015, 01:57:13 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;814235I'm seriously curious what your approach would be in that case. Because it's the kind of thing that's been on my mind a lot since the Atheism Plus kerfuffle.

I don't want to censor people or create echo chambers myself, but this SJW-faux-progressive crowd seem to have a pretty strong track record of getting into positions of authority and remaking social spaces to their liking.

I think it's a combination of ignoring their rants and (vocally) deflating them and not taking them seriously. I'll admit, its a bit of a struggle for me as well. I think a serious push-back needs to happen, especially in regards to the education system. Part of that means shunning/being dismissive rather than treating them like they're opinion is equally valid or even worthy of debate. But I don't have a perfect answer. I just know that people like Sarkeesian feed on controversy and get off on people making a big deal about the stupid stuff she says. Engaging her directly, threatening, or even making a big deal debating her points is just playing her game.

Ulairi

#10
February 05, 2015, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: TristramEvans;814236I think it's a combination of ignoring their rants and (vocally) deflating them and not taking them seriously. I'll admit, its a bit of a struggle for me as well. I think a serious push-back needs to happen, especially in regards to the education system. Part of that means shunning/being dismissive rather than treating them like they're opinion is equally valid or even worthy of debate. But I don't have a perfect answer. I just know that people like Sarkeesian feed on controversy and get off on people making a big deal about the stupid stuff she says. Engaging her directly, threatening, or even making a big deal debating her points is just playing her game.

She and the other progressives do not want to engage in an actual debate of their belief system. It's why they need the hate to shield themselves from criticism. I think it's why there is suspicion that they can send threats to themselves. Because how they engage with criticism is to point out HATE and then ignore the actual person trying to engage with them.

Doctor Jest

#11
February 05, 2015, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: Ulairi;814238She and the other progressives do not want to engage in an actual debate of their belief system. It's why they need the hate to shield themselves from criticism. I think it's why there is suspicion that they can send threats to themselves. Because how they engage with criticism is to point out HATE and then ignore the actual person trying to engage with them.

And avoiding having to deal with real criticism by deflecting with cries of oppression works all too often, which is why it won't work. Mudslinging wins elections, not nuanced debates.

Make light of them or ridicule them and that's when they go positively ape, because going from victim to clown is something they can't just scream shrill away. Everything they do just reinforces the stereotype at that point, so it has to be stamped out before it catches on. Once your movement has gone from "fighting oppression" to "ludicrous laughingstock" it's a tough road back, and it's the one thing that can genuinely destroy them.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions -- Thomas Jefferson.

Ulairi

#12
February 05, 2015, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: Doctor Jest;814240And avoiding having to deal with real criticism by deflecting with cries of oppression works all too often, which is why it won't work. Mudslinging wins elections, not nuanced debates.

Make light of them or ridicule them and that's when they go positively ape, because going from victim to clown is something they can't just scream shrill away. Everything they do just reinforces the stereotype at that point, so it has to be stamped out before it catches on. Once your movement has gone from "fighting oppression" to "ludicrous laughingstock" it's a tough road back, and it's the one thing that can genuinely destroy them.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions -- Thomas Jefferson.

How they combat that is by trying to call people horrible names. Because most gamers are good people. They are not racists, they are not homophobic, they don't hate anybody. They just want to have fun playing games with their friends. So, they scare people into silence by immediately calling people horrible names.

Opaopajr

#13
February 05, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
That BadgerPod dog avatar used is so cute! Squee! :teehee:
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Doctor Jest

#14
February 05, 2015, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: Ulairi;814252How they combat that is by trying to call people horrible names. Because most gamers are good people. They are not racists, they are not homophobic, they don't hate anybody. They just want to have fun playing games with their friends. So, they scare people into silence by immediately calling people horrible names.

And they should be - nay must be - mocked mercilessly for doing so.

I agree there's a chilling effect to this kind of rhetoric, but after a point it's Boy Who Cried Wolf. When everyone's racist, no one is.

It's people taking them seriously that lets them scare people into silence. Put the big rubber nose on them and that goes away.
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