Homosexuality in your campaign

crkrueger · February 19, 2013, 06:40:33 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;629960New Battlestar Galactica: RAZOR - Admiral Caine was having a lesbian relationship with a Cylon Six Model.

So the reason Caine had Pegasus-Six gang-raped was the vengeance of a jilted Lesbian lover? Sheesh.

trechriron · February 19, 2013, 07:12:08 PM

Quote from: jhkim;629980Nothing wrong with these, but none of them are an action movie with an action movie hero.

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What about the Succubus on Lost Girl (seasons 1 - 3 on netflix, season 4 in progress on SyFy - God it pains me to type sci-fi that way...)? She's bi, but a strong hero type. The gay sex scenes are intense and not pulling any punches, and there has been some strong gay plots as well. I can't speak for gay people, but the show seems to handle gay issues and straight issues with equal attention.

Spartucus - this season has our gay warrior couple in some intense scenes, both in combat and in bed. Definitively NOT the typical "fabulous girl" romcom depictions.

jhkim · February 19, 2013, 07:44:00 PM

Quote from: trechriron;630050What about the Succubus on Lost Girl (seasons 1 - 3 on netflix, season 4 in progress on SyFy - God it pains me to type sci-fi that way...)? She's bi, but a strong hero type. The gay sex scenes are intense and not pulling any punches, and there has been some strong gay plots as well. I can't speak for gay people, but the show seems to handle gay issues and straight issues with equal attention.

Spartucus - this season has our gay warrior couple in some intense scenes, both in combat and in bed. Definitively NOT the typical "fabulous girl" romcom depictions.

I just saw the start of the Lost Girl series last week, as it turns out. I'm cautiously interested. I have no problem with hot bisexual women, but I don't see them as breaking GLBT barriers - especially since from what I have seen so far she seems mostly straight but willing to mess around with other women to get what she wants. (EDITED TO ADD: I realize that she may show more serious interest in women later in the series - please no spoilers.)

I haven't seen Spatacus - I'll keep it in mind.

gattsuru · February 19, 2013, 08:20:10 PM

Omar Little, in The Wire, isn't a protagonist, but he's very much an Action Hero.

crkrueger · February 19, 2013, 10:02:24 PM

Quote from: jhkim;630060I haven't seen Spatacus - I'll keep it in mind.

In the prequel, Gods of the Arena, the two best Hoplomachi in Rome, Barca and Auctus, are gay lovers.

Elfdart · February 19, 2013, 11:05:31 PM

The only other time I can remember a PC being gay was when the all-male party was being charmed by dryads and one of the players was groping for a reason his character shouldn't be affected ("He had his eyes closed!") and the last excuse he could pull out of his ass was "Because he's gay!"

The DM (after we all stopped laughing) said OK and from that point on, Godfrey the Paladin was gay.

thedungeondelver · February 19, 2013, 11:09:03 PM

Quote from: jhkim;629980Nothing wrong with these, but none of them are an action movie with an action movie hero.

sexy bisexual prostitute (Inara) =/= gay action hero

Xena and Captain Jack Harkness are closer to what I'm talking about, but it's still a bi (or hinted possibly bi) character on television - which is different than a real action movie.

Erstwhile - I didn't know about The Boondock Saints - I've put it on my Netflix queue now.

Have you seen Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang?

DestroyYouAlot · February 20, 2013, 02:17:17 AM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;630118Have you seen Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang?

Good catch. I wouldn't even want to spoil the surprise on that one, 'cause it's such a great movie - but it definitely qualifies.

jhkim · February 20, 2013, 02:30:46 AM

Quote from: DestroyYouAlot;630154Good catch. I wouldn't even want to spoil the surprise on that one, 'cause it's such a great movie - but it definitely qualifies.

Yes, I've seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and I liked it. Still, the gay character in question is definitely a supporting character and not the hero of the story.

I'm not trying to say that there are no good gay characters anywhere in film and television, but that I'd specifically like to see a real action movie hero who is gay.

loseth · February 20, 2013, 02:56:19 AM

Quote from: gattsuru;630078Omar Little, in The Wire, isn't a protagonist, but he's very much an Action Hero.

Possibly my favourite character of all time from any story.

Kaldric · February 20, 2013, 03:39:46 AM

I played with a gay DM, once. He had a propensity for spotlighting radically interventionist domineering female deities. I don't know if this was a factor of his gayness, or his liking for Forgotten Realms. Didn't really care, at the time. My monk was all about dragon-kicking babies in the face.

crkrueger · February 20, 2013, 03:18:44 PM

Quote from: jhkim;630157I'm not trying to say that there are no good gay characters anywhere in film and television, but that I'd specifically like to see a real action movie hero who is gay.

The problem with that is, a lot of action movie heroes really are sexless, in that unless the bad guy captures their significant other, or the ex-wife/husband whatever is part of the "fucked up life" schtick, you don't see what their orientation is because it doesn't come up.

Although it would be entertaining in the new GI Joe movie to have them ask the original Joe why he retired and he responds "Don't Ask Don't Tell". Bruce Willis and the Rock could make that scene pretty funny.

jhkim · February 20, 2013, 03:45:42 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;630312The problem with that is, a lot of action movie heroes really are sexless, in that unless the bad guy captures their significant other, or the ex-wife/husband whatever is part of the "fucked up life" schtick, you don't see what their orientation is because it doesn't come up.

Although it would be entertaining in the new GI Joe movie to have them ask the original Joe why he retired and he responds "Don't Ask Don't Tell". Bruce Willis and the Rock could make that scene pretty funny.

It seems to me that the hero has a love interest plot in a strong majority of action movies. It's not the center of the action, but Indiana Jones, James Bond, Jason Bourne, Martin Riggs, etc. - all have a clear orientation.

I haven't seen the GI Joe movies, but yeah, the point is that sort of scene. (You say funny, though - is there a particular joke you're thinking of?)

Bedrockbrendan · February 20, 2013, 03:55:15 PM

Quote from: jhkim;630157Yes, I've seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and I liked it. Still, the gay character in question is definitely a supporting character and not the hero of the story.

I'm not trying to say that there are no good gay characters anywhere in film and television, but that I'd specifically like to see a real action movie hero who is gay.

If I reember correctly transporter came close (at least the director of the second movie said something about it back when the third one came out) but I can't really think of a main action hero who is gay (though again Jack Harkness was bi-sexual and the star of Torchwood).

Bedrockbrendan · February 20, 2013, 03:58:37 PM

Quote from: jhkim;630322It seems to me that the hero has a love interest plot in a strong majority of action movies. It's not the center of the action, but Indiana Jones, James Bond, Jason Bourne, Martin Riggs, etc. - all have a clear orientation.

I haven't seen the GI Joe movies, but yeah, the point is that sort of scene. (You say funny, though - is there a particular joke you're thinking of?)

I would agree. They usually are not the settle-down types and you do get the occassional loner pining fr his murdered wife who wont touch another woman, but their orientation is rarely a mystery. My guess is this is something you will see in a place like england first. For american studios, it would probably be seen as a big risk (action movies still tilt pretty conservative here compared to others, and many of the major action stars themselves are in fact conservatives).