Quote from: Orphan81;1138188Spy agencies, Detective agencies, Newspaper agencies, and criminal empires are legit background patrons for PCs and campaign directions.

Rising from the ashes literally details out how to do these with your players. There is intrigue and crime stories happening every where.

If you can't get Noir from that, the problem is you, not the setting.

Because its presentation and application that make something Noir or not. If those things you listed were the criteria to be Noir then the D&D movies would fit as each has various elements. Especially Book of Vile Darkness.