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Hasbro wants to become a digital games giant.

Started by GeekyBugle, August 18, 2023, 08:09:53 PM

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Scooter

#15
August 19, 2023, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 12:31:32 PM

It's disappointing that all their IPs are being squandered, but that's a problem only copyright reform by the government will fix.

Their IP is not important.  I mean creators can make new settings.  Nothing they own cannot be replaced by something better.
I'm still looking for replacements.

For what exactly?
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Scooter

#16
August 19, 2023, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 12:31:32 PM

It's disappointing that all their IPs are being squandered, but that's a problem only copyright reform by the government will fix.

Their IP is not important.  I mean creators can make new settings.  Nothing they own cannot be replaced by something better.
I'm still looking for replacements.

For what exactly?

There ya go.  No big deal
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Chris24601

#17
August 19, 2023, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on August 19, 2023, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 12:31:32 PM
On the bright side, this will tear a huge gaping vacuum in the ttrpg market ready to be exploited by anyone with the means to do so.

I'd say TTRPG's already had their high water mark, and now it's going to slowly contract to a very niche hobby with few new players, like model railways and stamp collecting.
To be fair, we still have conventions for both of those things in my area. The fact there's zero big corporate money to be made helps keep those far more sane than WotC is trying to make D&D.

Exploderwizard

#18
August 19, 2023, 08:09:57 PM
One important fact that I bet Hasbro didn't even stop to consider- WOTC has screwed the pooch on every single digital initiative that they have attempted. They are like Wile E Coyote planning their next diabolical contraption and surely THIS time, they will be completely successful. The cottage TTRPG industry will keep chugging merrily along while the whale of the industry beaches itself again with craptastic digital offerings.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Scooter

#19
August 19, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on August 19, 2023, 08:09:57 PM
One important fact that I bet Hasbro didn't even stop to consider- WOTC has screwed the pooch on every single digital initiative that they have attempted. They are like Wile E Coyote planning their next diabolical contraption and surely THIS time, they will be completely successful. The cottage TTRPG industry will keep chugging merrily along while the whale of the industry beaches itself again with craptastic digital offerings.

There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

BoxCrayonTales

#20
August 19, 2023, 09:34:52 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 05:58:13 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 04:51:41 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 12:31:32 PM

It's disappointing that all their IPs are being squandered, but that's a problem only copyright reform by the government will fix.

Their IP is not important.  I mean creators can make new settings.  Nothing they own cannot be replaced by something better.
I'm still looking for replacements.

For what exactly?

There ya go.  No big deal
Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Alternity, Amazing Engine, d20 Modern/Future/Past... WotC owns so many IPs they've forgotten existed.

Scooter

#21
August 19, 2023, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 09:34:52 PM

Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Alternity, Amazing Engine, d20 Modern/Future/Past... WotC owns so many IPs they've forgotten existed.

Anyone can make compatible content for those.  There are tons of PDFs for those games floating around. Also most of the material isn't actually under copyright anyway.  So what's the problem?
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

BoxCrayonTales

#22
August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 19, 2023, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 19, 2023, 09:34:52 PM

Star Frontiers, Gamma World, Alternity, Amazing Engine, d20 Modern/Future/Past... WotC owns so many IPs they've forgotten existed.

Anyone can make compatible content for those.  There are tons of PDFs for those games floating around. Also most of the material isn't actually under copyright anyway.  So what's the problem?
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find if they're not on drivethrurpg and you're not allowed to host or sell them yourself. Also, I haven't found any substitutes nor any surviving communities interested in either the original or a substitute.

You can't keep a community alive if you can't freely share the books and make a profit producing supplements. I don't understand why people keep failing to understand this or care about my concerns.

Unless you yourself are a fan of an obscure dead IP trapped in copyright jail with a dwindling community that will be forgotten soon, then you're never gonna understand my perspective.

Scooter

#23
August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

VisionStorm

#24
August 20, 2023, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.

This is about the IPs. No one gives a shit about the game mechanics. Maybe if you weren't in such a hurry to dismiss people's posts and claim that they're "wrong" you'd notice that.

GeekyBugle

#25
August 20, 2023, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.

I'm sure he meant legally.
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Scooter

#26
August 20, 2023, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 20, 2023, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.

This is about the IPs. No one gives a shit about the game mechanics. Maybe if you weren't in such a hurry to dismiss people's posts and claim that they're "wrong" you'd notice that.

Then name the exact IP you are so concerned about and how you cannot play because of it or STFU
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Theory of Games

#27
August 20, 2023, 04:02:19 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 20, 2023, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.

This is about the IPs. No one gives a shit about the game mechanics. Maybe if you weren't in such a hurry to dismiss people's posts and claim that they're "wrong" you'd notice that.

Then name the exact IP you are so concerned about and how you cannot play because of it or STFU
The Adventures of Indiana Jones.

The SJWs stole it, gender-swapped the main character, and turned the game into a Nazi participation award for POCs with no TTRPG design experience or talent.

So I must now make an OSR version of the game: Diana Jones and the Temple of Cooze!

TTRPGs are just games. Friends are forever.

VisionStorm

#28
August 20, 2023, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 02:52:29 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 20, 2023, 01:12:50 PM
Quote from: Scooter on August 20, 2023, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on August 20, 2023, 12:56:12 PM
It is under copyright. That's the problem. PDFs are hard as hell to find

Wrong.  I just found 3 of them in 10 minutes.  Also, you can make new content for them, even saying "For use with GammaWorld" if you like.  NONE OF THE MECHANICS AND THAT WHICH SHOWS THE MECHANICS IS COPYRIGHTABLE.

This is about the IPs. No one gives a shit about the game mechanics. Maybe if you weren't in such a hurry to dismiss people's posts and claim that they're "wrong" you'd notice that.

Then name the exact IP you are so concerned about and how you cannot play because of it or STFU

BoxCrayonTales literally mentioned the term "IPs" since the first post where he brought this up, which you replied to, to summarily dismiss. Then later mentioned a small number of examples of such IPs (there are more of them) in another post that you also replied to.

And this is about people not being able to use those IPs to keep them alive, not about people not being able to play them. BoxCrayonTales also mentioned this in posts you replied to. Providing thrice again that you're not even reading WTF you're responding to before you reply.

Scooter

#29
August 20, 2023, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Theory of Games on August 20, 2023, 04:02:19 PM

The Adventures of Indiana Jones.



So, why can't  you play it?
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity
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