Quote from: Sanson on February 13, 2024, 09:42:39 PM
If I lose any sleep over Hasbro's woes, it will be because I can't stop chortling whenever I think of it.  But I'm still salty over the fate of Avalon Hill under
them.

RE: Avalon Hill.

Amen Brother.   and SPI too. 

When Hasbro falls, we should offer them $100 for all the AH/SPI titles.

Quote from: LouProsperi on February 13, 2024, 03:28:18 PMBefore you all think this means gloom and doom for D&D, check this out from page 12 of the Powerpoint:

"Fourth quarter and full year growth in DUNGEONS & DRAGONS (+54% and +76%, respectively)."

Yes that growth was offset by declines in other brands, but companies don't sell brands with growth like that.

Look at page 18. Tabletop gaming for WotC was down -1.3% quarter to quarter. The massive growth they are showing for D&D is all Baldurs Gate 3. And that check is cashed.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on February 14, 2024, 05:17:03 PM

Quote from: LouProsperi on February 13, 2024, 03:28:18 PMBefore you all think this means gloom and doom for D&D, check this out from page 12 of the Powerpoint:

"Fourth quarter and full year growth in DUNGEONS & DRAGONS (+54% and +76%, respectively)."

Yes that growth was offset by declines in other brands, but companies don't sell brands with growth like that.

Look at page 18. Tabletop gaming for WotC was down -1.3% quarter to quarter. The massive growth they are showing for D&D is all Baldurs Gate 3. And that check is cashed.

I looked at p.12 and it didn't say anything about d&d. 

Quote from: Brad on February 14, 2024, 09:08:20 AM

Quote from: blackstone on February 14, 2024, 08:38:24 AM
Wow, do you really believe the shit you're shoveling?

Oh he absolutely does. ... Exactly the same bullshit. Manipulate the data to push a narrative.

I don't think Mistwell does believe.  I think he's just a liar with an agenda.  When he gets squashed, he ignore the argument and goes radio silent.  Until someone goes slightly off tangent so he can pounce again.  That's not the behavior of a true believer, but someone trying to to cause trouble.  Of course, I guess he could be a true believer trying to cause trouble.  But mainly he lives to see if he can get someone here so riled up they'll go off-topic and get themselves banned.  Don't fall for it.

What he really wants is to derail the topic--ideally enough that it gets shut down, but he'll settle for people not actually talking about the subject. 

Anyway, back to focus:  It appears to me that Hasbro and WotC are both in a classic race to the bottom.  Who will hit first?

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on February 14, 2024, 05:30:28 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 14, 2024, 09:08:20 AM

Quote from: blackstone on February 14, 2024, 08:38:24 AM
Wow, do you really believe the shit you're shoveling?

Oh he absolutely does. ... Exactly the same bullshit. Manipulate the data to push a narrative.

I don't think Mistwell does believe.  I think he's just a liar with an agenda.  When he gets squashed, he ignore the argument and goes radio silent.  Until someone goes slightly off tangent so he can pounce again.  That's not the behavior of a true believer, but someone trying to to cause trouble.  Of course, I guess he could be a true believer trying to cause trouble.  But mainly he lives to see if he can get someone here so riled up they'll go off-topic and get themselves banned.  Don't fall for it.

What he really wants is to derail the topic--ideally enough that it gets shut down, but he'll settle for people not actually talking about the subject. 

Anyway, back to focus:  It appears to me that Hasbro and WotC are both in a classic race to the bottom.  Who will hit first?

Same company they are both trying to figure out how to put buttplay and genital mutilation in children's content.  I would say its Disney and Hasbro are in a race to see which one can make themselves culturally irrelevant.  They are both declining financially, but Disney has deeper pockets and Hasbro will go bankrupt first.  That being said, cultural relevance though they are in a race to obsolesence.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 14, 2024, 06:03:37 PM
Same company they are both trying to figure out how to put buttplay and genital mutilation in children's content.  I would say its Disney and Hasbro are in a race to see which one can make themselves culturally irrelevant.  They are both declining financially, but Disney has deeper pockets and Hasbro will go bankrupt first.  That being said, cultural relevance though they are in a race to obsolesence.

Yeah, know they are the same company, but it's like two climbers tied together.  Does WotC fall first, and pull Hasbro off the ledge they are clinging to?  Or does Hasbro jump in, and drag WotC with them?  Maybe they'll get into a fight over who gets the last part of the crumbling ledge to stand on, and push each other off.

Quote from: orbitalair on February 14, 2024, 03:48:42 PMRE: Avalon Hill.

Amen Brother.   and SPI too. 

When Hasbro falls, we should offer them $100 for all the AH/SPI titles.

Try being a fan of the pre-80s GI JOE line. Their 1970s Adventure Team was totally setup for "modern audiences" as the figures were a reaction to the anti-war sentiment of the time, so they are just a group of people that fly around and help other people. Sort of like Grizzly Adams crossed with the Thunderbirds. They didn't even have weapons. How this idea has been ignored by modern Hasbro I'll never know.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on February 14, 2024, 05:30:28 PM
I don't think Mistwell does believe.  I think he's just a liar with an agenda.  When he gets squashed, he ignore the argument and goes radio silent.  Until someone goes slightly off tangent so he can pounce again.  That's not the behavior of a true believer, but someone trying to to cause trouble.  Of course, I guess he could be a true believer trying to cause trouble.  But mainly he lives to see if he can get someone here so riled up they'll go off-topic and get themselves banned.  Don't fall for it.

You notice that he didn't do it on the Pundit's post with the video?  Yep he is a true troll

Quote from: hedgehobbit on February 14, 2024, 06:18:24 PM

Quote from: orbitalair on February 14, 2024, 03:48:42 PMRE: Avalon Hill.

Amen Brother.   and SPI too. 

When Hasbro falls, we should offer them $100 for all the AH/SPI titles.

Try being a fan of the pre-80s GI JOE line. Their 1970s Adventure Team was totally setup for "modern audiences" as the figures were a reaction to the anti-war sentiment of the time, so they are just a group of people that fly around and help other people. Sort of like Grizzly Adams crossed with the Thunderbirds. They didn't even have weapons. How this idea has been ignored by modern Hasbro I'll never know.

Dude you don't know the quality art of GI Joe today like this homoerotic piece:



I mean look at the package shripwreck is packing and Ripper is just asking for it.  What father and mother wouldn't want their 10 year old boy learning about intersectionalism, communism and buggerey from Hasbro?

I saw that on comics youtube when it was released but it's even more horrible now years later.  That's some bad tumblr art missing only the obligatory anthropomorphic furry in the background... and, IIRC, is indicative of the quality of the writing inside as well.

Quote from: Rhymer88 on February 13, 2024, 09:04:40 AMI guess they either mean "ahead of 6th edition release" or "ahead of 5th edition re-release", although I wouldn't be surprised if the people at Hasbro's Finance department don't know that 5e was released ten years ago.

Reading further into this I saw a line where it said, "upcoming update of the Fifth Edition." So they are going all in on the idea that D&Done is just an update to 5e.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on February 15, 2024, 12:04:13 PM
Reading further into this I saw a line where it said, "upcoming update of the Fifth Edition." So they are going all in on the idea that D&Done is just an update to 5e.

Yea they have used ideas like "the 2024 Player's Handbook" and will compare like, the "2024 Warlock" to the "2014 Warlock".  Their new big revision, you know, "5.5" is intended to patch over existing older content.  I'm sure there will be "5.0" and "5.5" purists, of course, as the players will need real terms, not marketing muckmuck.

More like idiots who will DM the new rules written after Mearl's have left D&D.  If you remove everything rules wise Tasha's and later, the game runs fairly well at lower and mid levels and breaks at level 12.  All the new power creep the idiots at WotC are shoveling in screams of fuckers who don't DM, they are only thinking what would be cool for the players and not things the DM's will hate who then stops DMing and 6 of their former players are no longer players.

I'm waiting for crawford to change Wish to a level 3 spell so that more 5th level Wizards get to use Wish because for some reason all their players quit playing D&D at 5th level and that would keep them playing.  I could see that being their logic.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 14, 2024, 07:30:39 PM
I mean look at the package shripwreck is packing and Ripper is just asking for it.  What father and mother wouldn't want their 10 year old boy learning about intersectionalism, communism and buggerey from Hasbro?

That's not the worst art I've ever seen, but it's close.

Also that's Leatherneck (PROBABLY), not Shipwreck. But does it even matter? I can see they are shitting all over the property, but what else is new?

You're right, it doesn't matter, although I think it's Gung-Ho because of the tattoo on his chest.

Leatherneck is a more homo-erotic sounding name though.