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Hasbro deletes Jeff Easley's signature from the movie poster

Started by GeekyBugle, May 02, 2023, 02:49:41 PM

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GhostNinja

#15
May 03, 2023, 09:45:00 AM
Quote from: Summon666 on May 03, 2023, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: Danger on May 02, 2023, 07:51:24 PMGlad I ejected from that particular brand many moons ago.

yeah... you hate to say it... but there is a good portion of players going "what took you so long" to all the people feeling the burning boat! : )

I am one of those people who stopped buying anything WOTC, but it took the whole OGL mess before I got to that point.

I have enough stuff to run D&D 5E for a long time (Only the three core books and two supplement books) and I am getting into OSR so I am good.
Ghostninja

blackstone

#16
May 03, 2023, 01:28:01 PM
I haven't bought a WoTC Nazi product directly in dog's years. Shit, I pretty much dropped support for D&D when it went to 3E back in 2000.

I was one of the cool kids before it was cool to do so.  8)

Y'all remember that Silver Anniversary set they had for TSR back in '99? I was fortunate to grab me a copy, and lo and behold to what what do my eyes see?

A limited edition print artwork by none other than Jeff Easley himself. Signed and numbered.

It's hung on the wall in a frame in his honor.

So...Fuk WoTC and their shenanigans. they can eat a sack of Owlbear dicks.

VisionStorm

#17
May 03, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
According to a note on the Geek Native article it may have been Paramount or their marketing team rather than WotKKK or Hasbro. Not that WotKKK/Hasbro aren't trash, but we don't know for sure that they're responsible for removing the signature, and it's not like grandstanding is going to do much when many of us were already not giving money to WotKKK/Hasbro, anyways.

Problem is most normal people are completely oblivious to their shenanigans, so they're not gonna hold grudges or stop consuming nu stuff. Making any boycotting on our part mostly symbolic.

QuoteUpdate: 30th April – Paramount Pictures handled the distribution for Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves. Paramount, or their marketing partners, may have directed the removal of Jeff Easley's signature. If so, the erasure is not specifically attributable to Hasbro, but instead, this came from their partner in the D&D movie.

jhkim

#18
May 03, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: blackstone on May 03, 2023, 01:28:01 PM
Y'all remember that Silver Anniversary set they had for TSR back in '99? I was fortunate to grab me a copy, and lo and behold to what what do my eyes see?

A limited edition print artwork by none other than Jeff Easley himself. Signed and numbered.

Nice! And good for Easley! But...

The Silver Anniversary set was released after TSR was acquired by WotC in 1997. WotC still used the TSR brand name at that time, but it was their product release.

Also, back in the 1980s, TSR were the ones who credited the Star Frontiers writers as "TSR Staff" - so they weren't always great on giving credit either.

hedgehobbit

#19
May 03, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on May 03, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
According to a note on the Geek Native article it may have been Paramount or their marketing team rather than WotKKK or Hasbro.

I can understand Paramount doing this as Easley didn't have anything to do with the movie. I know that movie accounting is bizarre and their unions are powerful so putting someone's name on promotional material for a movie could have required that Easley get some sort of residual from the movie itself.

Ghostmaker

#20
May 04, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: jhkim on May 03, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: blackstone on May 03, 2023, 01:28:01 PM
Y'all remember that Silver Anniversary set they had for TSR back in '99? I was fortunate to grab me a copy, and lo and behold to what what do my eyes see?

A limited edition print artwork by none other than Jeff Easley himself. Signed and numbered.

Nice! And good for Easley! But...

The Silver Anniversary set was released after TSR was acquired by WotC in 1997. WotC still used the TSR brand name at that time, but it was their product release.

Also, back in the 1980s, TSR were the ones who credited the Star Frontiers writers as "TSR Staff" - so they weren't always great on giving credit either.
That was common in 'creatives' in general. Atari in particular absolutely refused to credit their programmers.

GhostNinja

#21
May 04, 2023, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 04, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
That was common in 'creatives' in general. Atari in particular absolutely refused to credit their programmers.

I am not sure if you were aware of this but the refusal to credit their programmers is why a bunch of them left and formed Activision which made better Atari 2600 games than Atari ever could.
Ghostninja

Abraxus

#22
May 04, 2023, 01:14:32 PM
At this point beyond a few more books I really want I'm done with Wotc.

I was done awhile back now it's the final mail in the ⚰️. I had zero interest in the new edition and the main 5E products I want are mostly have been released and done better than Kobokd Press.

blackstone

#23
May 04, 2023, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: jhkim on May 03, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: blackstone on May 03, 2023, 01:28:01 PM
Y'all remember that Silver Anniversary set they had for TSR back in '99? I was fortunate to grab me a copy, and lo and behold to what what do my eyes see?

A limited edition print artwork by none other than Jeff Easley himself. Signed and numbered.

Nice! And good for Easley! But...

The Silver Anniversary set was released after TSR was acquired by WotC in 1997. WotC still used the TSR brand name at that time, but it was their product release.


So? What's your point?

jhkim

#24
May 04, 2023, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 04, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: jhkim on May 03, 2023, 02:12:54 PM
The Silver Anniversary set was released after TSR was acquired by WotC in 1997. WotC still used the TSR brand name at that time, but it was their product release.

Also, back in the 1980s, TSR were the ones who credited the Star Frontiers writers as "TSR Staff" - so they weren't always great on giving credit either.
That was common in 'creatives' in general. Atari in particular absolutely refused to credit their programmers.

Right. It's not a new phenomenon, but some companies are worse than others. Star Frontiers is a rare case among printed tabletop RPGs, which almost always credit the author(s).

I think it's getting better among video games in recent decades, right? And I don't think I've seen a standalone RPG since Star Frontiers without an author credit.

Ghostmaker

#25
May 05, 2023, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 04, 2023, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 04, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
That was common in 'creatives' in general. Atari in particular absolutely refused to credit their programmers.

I am not sure if you were aware of this but the refusal to credit their programmers is why a bunch of them left and formed Activision which made better Atari 2600 games than Atari ever could.
Do not quote the deep magic to me, boy, I was there when it was written. :)

(dusts off old Atari 2600 and copy of Pitfall)

But yeah. Atari sowed the seeds of their own destruction by refusing to credit programmers, then trying to sue those programmers when they left and formed Activision. In a weird way that series of events directly led to the crash, as Atari losing the suit meant ANYONE could make games for consoles.

In any case, I suspect this is just Hasbro/eOne stupidity, not any grand conspiracy to screw Easley. Why should they develop any brains now?

GhostNinja

#26
May 05, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 01:58:27 PM
Do not quote the deep magic to me, boy, I was there when it was written. :)

(dusts off old Atari 2600 and copy of Pitfall)

Rolls a d20 and rolls a Natural 20 for my defense.  HA! :)

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 01:58:27 PM
But yeah. Atari sowed the seeds of their own destruction by refusing to credit programmers, then trying to sue those programmers when they left and formed Activision. In a weird way that series of events directly led to the crash, as Atari losing the suit meant ANYONE could make games for consoles.

In any case, I suspect this is just Hasbro/eOne stupidity, not any grand conspiracy to screw Easley. Why should they develop any brains now?

Yep and Activision made games that were much better than anything Atari was putting.

It probably was.  As often as WOTC steps on their own dick these days, it wouldn't surprise me.
Ghostninja

Ghostmaker

#27
May 05, 2023, 04:49:22 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 01:58:27 PM
Do not quote the deep magic to me, boy, I was there when it was written. :)

(dusts off old Atari 2600 and copy of Pitfall)

Rolls a d20 and rolls a Natural 20 for my defense.  HA! :)

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 05, 2023, 01:58:27 PM
But yeah. Atari sowed the seeds of their own destruction by refusing to credit programmers, then trying to sue those programmers when they left and formed Activision. In a weird way that series of events directly led to the crash, as Atari losing the suit meant ANYONE could make games for consoles.

In any case, I suspect this is just Hasbro/eOne stupidity, not any grand conspiracy to screw Easley. Why should they develop any brains now?

Yep and Activision made games that were much better than anything Atari was putting.

It probably was.  As often as WOTC steps on their own dick these days, it wouldn't surprise me.
The problem wasn't necessarily that Activision was stomping on their nuts. And Atari did put out some excellent games. The problem was that the market became absolutely flooded. EVERYONE had a video game division. Complete market saturation, and unlike nowadays, no real way to sort the wheat from the chaff.

I don't know if the situation today is similar. Unless something changes, I think WotC will slowly decline, unless they manage to turn their absolutely atrocious PR around.

Omega

#28
May 06, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on May 02, 2023, 09:49:49 PM
I think we're coming up on a couple of decades since Games Workshop stopped crediting artists and writers, and WotC/Hasbro are at least as soulless and evil as GW. Faceless corporation content mills FTW.

Weird because in some of the WotC books they go out of their way to credit artists.

Tasha's Cauldron and Wild Beyond the Witchlight credits the artist on every page their is art on with their name on the inner margin.

Ghostmaker

#29
May 06, 2023, 08:48:22 AM
Quote from: Omega on May 06, 2023, 06:06:28 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on May 02, 2023, 09:49:49 PM
I think we're coming up on a couple of decades since Games Workshop stopped crediting artists and writers, and WotC/Hasbro are at least as soulless and evil as GW. Faceless corporation content mills FTW.

Weird because in some of the WotC books they go out of their way to credit artists.

Tasha's Cauldron and Wild Beyond the Witchlight credits the artist on every page their is art on with their name on the inner margin.
Which makes me think this wasn't a WotC decision but a Hasbro/eOne decision.

Won't help them, of course.
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