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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #225 on: July 26, 2021, 05:14:19 PM »
Anyone arguing against Toddlers being racist has obviously never met a real life Toddler.
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« Reply #226 on: July 26, 2021, 05:40:25 PM »
Regarding the Clark doll test -- I would emphasize again that this isn't part of Critical Race Theory or any 2020-era SJWism. It's a study from over sixty years ago that was influential in the original Civil Rights Movement.

One could say that the Clark doll test isn't true anymore in modern day is one thing -- but saying the test was always bullshit is another. It isn't arguing against modern-day SJWs. It's arguing against figures like Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall and other early civil rights leaders. I haven't read the full studies, but a quick Google search suggests the test has been reproduced a number of times in later decades with varying results.


I'd be curious about corroborating what the course says about toddlers. It sounds here like many are saying that attributing racism in toddlers is insane -- but as Pat mentioned earlier, racial bias in toddlers has been well documented for decades. The bias of toddlers in treating identical white-skinned dolls vs black-skinned dolls (the Clark doll test) was one of the key arguments for desegregation in the 1950s.
Wow, toddlers tend to prefer people that look like their parents!

Is this true for all toddlers? YES

Does this prove racism? NO
So apparently you're not familiar with the Clark doll test. This is the opposite of what the test found. What it found, instead, was that American black toddlers preferred *white* dolls - and would say those dolls are prettier and nicer, while attributing negative traits to identical black-skinned dolls.
O God, I thought this was a serious study, forgot we're dealing with social "sciences".

253 children... From this they extrapolate to ALL children in all places and SOME ppl here pretend also that this "scientific" study can be extrapolated to today and maybe to other races too.

(1) I share skepticism about social sciences -- but if the question is "can young children be racially biased", that's inherently a social science question. It's not going to get answered by a physics study or a chemistry study. If you have better studies that address the question, I'd be interested to see them.

(2) I haven't said anything about extrapolation. I would think that the results will vary depending on time and place. I would be interested to see about results from other countries - my search only turned up attempts in the U.S.

(3) GeekyBugle - you previously claimed that inherently, toddlers will prefer people that look like their parents. Do still think that black toddlers in the U.S. will prefer black people over white people? Is there any evidence that demonstrates that?


Now prove white children are racist, and that children from other races aren't, because that's CRT.

Again, the Clark doll test isn't part of CRT. It shows the even black children in America are biased against black dolls, which is different what you're arguing against here.

As Ratman_tf points out, the argument was that ppl pushing CRT claim that WHITE toddlers are racist, you (or someone else) provided the Clark doll test as evidence that this is true.

The study is BS, pure, inadulterated, steaming BS. Was not conducted on toddlers, ridiculously small sample size and is over 60 years old.

The study talks explicity about racial identity, same BS pushed by nazis, black nationalists (the black panthers and Malcom X for example) and again as Ratman_tf points out lots of commie scum to be found there. This exact same BS is pushed by CRT.

Did you think CRT was full of original brand new ideas?
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« Reply #227 on: July 26, 2021, 05:50:21 PM »
Anyone arguing against Toddlers being racist has obviously never met a real life Toddler.

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« Reply #228 on: July 26, 2021, 06:20:51 PM »
   So if blue eyes and blond hair are preferable traits, preferring those traits in a doll or person you are looking at is racist?   I still do not see how any measure of the test did anything but show blonde hair and blue eyes are visually pleasing.    Social science is complete bullshit and reminds me of "stopping power" studies with firearms.  You can make it come out any way you want it to.

If you have an alternative to social science in order to use evidence to understand social behavior like racism, then I'd be interested to hear about it.

As for what defines a "racist"...  That's a semantic argument that has no obvious answer.

But qualitatively, the children in the study didn't just say that the white dolls were prettier. They also more often said the white dolls were nicer, and more often said that the black dolls were bad. I see similar comments in more recent tests trying to reproduce the results. For example, here was a study that worked without questions but just qualitatively observing play:

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Without asking specific questions as the Clarks did, I still found a great deal of bias in how the girls treated the dolls. The girls rarely chose the Black dolls during play. On the rare occasions that the girls chose the Black dolls, they mistreated them. One time a Black girl put the doll in a pot and pretended to cook the doll. That’s not something the girls did with the dolls that weren’t Black.
Source: https://theconversation.com/what-i-learned-when-i-recreated-the-famous-doll-test-that-looked-at-how-black-kids-see-race-153780

It seems like you're arguing that blonde-haired blue-eyed dolls are objectively more visually pleasing, which explains the children's behavior. Regardless of semantics, the point is that children should learn to treat people equally regardless of race.

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« Reply #229 on: July 26, 2021, 06:32:44 PM »
   So if blue eyes and blond hair are preferable traits, preferring those traits in a doll or person you are looking at is racist?   I still do not see how any measure of the test did anything but show blonde hair and blue eyes are visually pleasing.    Social science is complete bullshit and reminds me of "stopping power" studies with firearms.  You can make it come out any way you want it to.

If you have an alternative to social science in order to use evidence to understand social behavior like racism, then I'd be interested to hear about it.

As for what defines a "racist"...  That's a semantic argument that has no obvious answer.

But qualitatively, the children in the study didn't just say that the white dolls were prettier. They also more often said the white dolls were nicer, and more often said that the black dolls were bad. I see similar comments in more recent tests trying to reproduce the results. For example, here was a study that worked without questions but just qualitatively observing play:

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Without asking specific questions as the Clarks did, I still found a great deal of bias in how the girls treated the dolls. The girls rarely chose the Black dolls during play. On the rare occasions that the girls chose the Black dolls, they mistreated them. One time a Black girl put the doll in a pot and pretended to cook the doll. That’s not something the girls did with the dolls that weren’t Black.
Source: https://theconversation.com/what-i-learned-when-i-recreated-the-famous-doll-test-that-looked-at-how-black-kids-see-race-153780

It seems like you're arguing that blonde-haired blue-eyed dolls are objectively more visually pleasing, which explains the children's behavior. Regardless of semantics, the point is that children should learn to treat people equally regardless of race.

How about reforming social sciences to be quantitative and not based on feelings?

And mistreating the doll that most resembles the girl couldn't be explained by other factors like abuse from the mother right?

It's not like small children playing with dolls that have sex among themselves has been a clue that said child has been abused or anything.

Yes, children should learn to judge people based on their character and not the color of their skin. Something CRT (And the ppl hired by Hasbro PUSH CRT) clearly and explicity opposes.

Also, something you need to prove, is that black girls preferring blonde dolls and/or mistreating the black ones somehow reflects on white children and on all children's behaviour to people.

Dolls aren't people, pixels aren't people, drawings aren't people, imaginary races aren't people.
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« Reply #230 on: July 26, 2021, 06:48:11 PM »
But qualitatively, the children in the study didn't just say that the white dolls were prettier. They also more often said the white dolls were nicer, and more often said that the black dolls were bad. I see similar comments in more recent tests trying to reproduce the results. For example, here was a study that worked without questions but just qualitatively observing play:

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Without asking specific questions as the Clarks did, I still found a great deal of bias in how the girls treated the dolls. The girls rarely chose the Black dolls during play. On the rare occasions that the girls chose the Black dolls, they mistreated them. One time a Black girl put the doll in a pot and pretended to cook the doll. That’s not something the girls did with the dolls that weren’t Black.
Source: https://theconversation.com/what-i-learned-when-i-recreated-the-famous-doll-test-that-looked-at-how-black-kids-see-race-153780

Dude. That's one person in a daycare. And the wording of her article leads me to believe there was a certain bias in her observations.
Too bad the actual paper is behind a paywall, and the data is password protected.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10643-020-01095-9

And.

Again.

These are not toddlers. The original statement was about toddlers.
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« Reply #231 on: July 26, 2021, 07:33:27 PM »
As a former science major I should mention that so-called social "sciences" were always at best a "soft" science.

Things like chemistry and math are actual sciences. 2+2=4, period. Mix two particular chemicals under certain conditions and the result will always be the same.

Recently an article in that "recommended by Pocket" claimed that the view of women as gatherers and men as hunters was not true, that "new evidence" suggested that women did hunt the mammoth (yeah, right). This "new evidence" is nothing more than feminist demands. Margaret Mead did terrible damage to the once-legitimate science of anthropology.

When it comes to any sort of study looking for bias from whites, including children, notice how we are never given details about anything. This is because the "social scientists" WANT a certain outcome, to prove their already-decided conclusions. The idea that white toddlers can be racially biased at two years of age but not black or hispanic toddlers is so obviously SJW it's disgusting, and would require such a bizarre twist in the theory of evolution (which I do not believe in- nobody knows how we got here) as to be the stuff of bad 1990's science fiction.

Those Hasbro re-education camp...oh, excuse me, "sensitivity training" sessions- are merely the next logical link in what has been happening for decades now- whitey is evil. The next step from there is to have "critical race theory experts" go to kindergarten or nursery schools and "educate" white children by putting them in chains to show them what whites were guilty of- as has already been done in places. Me, I would have hit that smug &*$$@*&! with a heavy chair even as a kid. Which only proves I'm a racist, of course. Right?  >:(

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« Reply #232 on: July 26, 2021, 07:34:57 PM »
Like Tubesock, I also have an annecdotal story about once having to do training at work which proves that because O'Keefe takes peoples own words and uses it against them without changing them to fit my narrative therefore he can not be trusted.

Might also have something to do with O'Keefe, y'know, lying about ACORN (as determined by the California State AG and the GAO - I know, I know, they're all "deep state" lol),

Are you trying to claim that the actual video of the HASBRO training its employees about how all white babies are vile racists is somehow a fake?
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« Reply #233 on: July 26, 2021, 07:36:14 PM »
I'm not a fan of the art itself, but I don't object to them showing a group of dancers of that has something to do with the product showing it. I don't know anything about the product, and my interest in 5e is pretty low overall, so maybe it's fitting. Whatever.

As for the characters in the art, the one with the tail is likely a tiefling, and the blue elves are (I believe) part of the newer 5e Drow palette (no more midnight black skin anymore). I do recall there were supposed to be some owl-people in this (or another?) product, so maybe cat-people too. Still doesn't explain why they all look like they got gassed by the Joker's Smilex...
I looked up the artist and her other work does not look like this at all. 
She actually can draw real females with breasts instead of ambiguous androgynous creatures with horrible joker smiles.
I posit it's bad because it was done at the direction of some horrible danger-haired monster.
I think you're right that it is a tiefling.  I haven't played D&D with those.
Maybe this is a "junior prom" so as to explain the minimization of secondary sexual characteristics?

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« Reply #234 on: July 26, 2021, 07:47:35 PM »
I'd be curious about corroborating what the course says about toddlers. It sounds here like many are saying that attributing racism in toddlers is insane -- but as Pat mentioned earlier, racial bias in toddlers has been well documented for decades. The bias of toddlers in treating identical white-skinned dolls vs black-skinned dolls (the Clark doll test) was one of the key arguments for desegregation in the 1950s.

Wow, toddlers tend to prefer people that look like their parents!

Is this true for all toddlers? YES

Does this prove racism? NO

So apparently you're not familiar with the Clark doll test. This is the opposite of what the test found. What it found, instead, was that American black toddlers preferred *white* dolls - and would say those dolls are prettier and nicer, while attributing negative traits to identical black-skinned dolls.

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The Doll Test looked at 253 black children aged three to seven years old: 134 of the children attended segregated nursery schools in Arkansas and 119 who attended integrated schools in Massachusetts. They each were all shown four dolls: two with white skin and yellow hair, and two with brown skin and black hair. Each student was asked to identify the race of the doll and which one they preferred to play with.

The majority of the black students preferred the white doll with yellow hair, assigning positive traits to it. Meanwhile, most discarded the brown doll with black hair, assigning it negative traits. The Clarks concluded that black children formed a racial identity by the age of three and attached negative traits to their own identity, which were perpetuated by segregation and prejudice.
Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/psychologist-work-racial-identity-helped-overturn-school-segregation-180966934/

One survey from a very specific time and place. 1950's pre-de-segreation America. On a very small sample size at that.
Have any studies been done since then, and in other places and cultures?

Well, there was a large study of different ethnic groups a couple of years ago, I believe it was in the UK though I might be remembering wrong, which found that all races have a majority positive bias toward their own ethnicity, with one single exception: non-latino white people. White people are the only group that have a slight majority NEGATIVE view of their own in-group, that is to say, the only group that says "white people are bad".

The Clark doll test was a real thing, and of course demonstrated that the dominant culture at the time had created an unconscious bias in black children to have negative feelings about their own in-group.

It appears that the Conscious Kids gang, Hasbro, the entirety of the modern Left, and presumable Kim here, all think that the "solution" to that is to do everything possible to make sure that instead of making sure of that phenomenon disappearing (which, I strongly suspect, it already has), what they think has to happen is that it needs to be Reversed.
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« Reply #235 on: July 26, 2021, 07:51:47 PM »
Also, I surrender; this thread can't seem to stay on topic, so I'm moving it to the Pundit's forum.
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« Reply #236 on: July 26, 2021, 10:39:53 PM »
Like Tubesock, I also have an annecdotal story about once having to do training at work which proves that because O'Keefe takes peoples own words and uses it against them without changing them to fit my narrative therefore he can not be trusted.

Might also have something to do with O'Keefe, y'know, lying about ACORN (as determined by the California State AG and the GAO - I know, I know, they're all "deep state" lol),

Are you trying to claim that the actual video of the HASBRO training its employees about how all white babies are vile racists is somehow a fake?

No, I'm plainly stating that, given his track record, O'Keefe is about a reliable a narrator as Michael Moore. Nothing he says should be taken at face value, so I'm waiting for more information.

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« Reply #237 on: July 26, 2021, 11:25:27 PM »
Like Tubesock, I also have an annecdotal story about once having to do training at work which proves that because O'Keefe takes peoples own words and uses it against them without changing them to fit my narrative therefore he can not be trusted.

Might also have something to do with O'Keefe, y'know, lying about ACORN (as determined by the California State AG and the GAO - I know, I know, they're all "deep state" lol),

Are you trying to claim that the actual video of the HASBRO training its employees about how all white babies are vile racists is somehow a fake?

No, I'm plainly stating that, given his track record, O'Keefe is about a reliable a narrator as Michael Moore. Nothing he says should be taken at face value, so I'm waiting for more information.

His track record?

Care to provide PROOF that he lied?

And I do mean PROOF, not assertions by corporate media.
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« Reply #238 on: July 26, 2021, 11:28:40 PM »
I'd be curious about corroborating what the course says about toddlers. It sounds here like many are saying that attributing racism in toddlers is insane -- but as Pat mentioned earlier, racial bias in toddlers has been well documented for decades. The bias of toddlers in treating identical white-skinned dolls vs black-skinned dolls (the Clark doll test) was one of the key arguments for desegregation in the 1950s.

Wow, toddlers tend to prefer people that look like their parents!

Is this true for all toddlers? YES

Does this prove racism? NO

So apparently you're not familiar with the Clark doll test. This is the opposite of what the test found. What it found, instead, was that American black toddlers preferred *white* dolls - and would say those dolls are prettier and nicer, while attributing negative traits to identical black-skinned dolls.

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The Doll Test looked at 253 black children aged three to seven years old: 134 of the children attended segregated nursery schools in Arkansas and 119 who attended integrated schools in Massachusetts. They each were all shown four dolls: two with white skin and yellow hair, and two with brown skin and black hair. Each student was asked to identify the race of the doll and which one they preferred to play with.

The majority of the black students preferred the white doll with yellow hair, assigning positive traits to it. Meanwhile, most discarded the brown doll with black hair, assigning it negative traits. The Clarks concluded that black children formed a racial identity by the age of three and attached negative traits to their own identity, which were perpetuated by segregation and prejudice.
Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/psychologist-work-racial-identity-helped-overturn-school-segregation-180966934/

One survey from a very specific time and place. 1950's pre-de-segreation America. On a very small sample size at that.
Have any studies been done since then, and in other places and cultures?

Well, there was a large study of different ethnic groups a couple of years ago, I believe it was in the UK though I might be remembering wrong, which found that all races have a majority positive bias toward their own ethnicity, with one single exception: non-latino white people. White people are the only group that have a slight majority NEGATIVE view of their own in-group, that is to say, the only group that says "white people are bad".

The Clark doll test was a real thing, and of course demonstrated that the dominant culture at the time had created an unconscious bias in black children to have negative feelings about their own in-group.

It appears that the Conscious Kids gang, Hasbro, the entirety of the modern Left, and presumable Kim here, all think that the "solution" to that is to do everything possible to make sure that instead of making sure of that phenomenon disappearing (which, I strongly suspect, it already has), what they think has to happen is that it needs to be Reversed.

Well, one of the gurus of the cult (the author of White Fragility) has said that there needs to be a white racial awakening.

Their founding fathers have spoken and wrote against MLK's way of doing things (judging by character and not race).

So I guess it's fair and accurate to say they do want to reverse anything gained by MLK's activism.

Just watch them demand segregation.
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« Reply #239 on: July 26, 2021, 11:57:38 PM »
Highly disturbing...
The whistleblower looks legit.
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