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Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?

Grow up.  It's the same rules as RPG.net, Twitter, Facebook, and any other public forum.  Any borderline posts that support the prevailing narrative get excused, and any that oppose it get pulled.  Go whine on RPG.net about their inconsistent policies, then I'll take your whining here seriously...

I don't use RPG.net.

I come here expressly BECAUSE I enjoy the freedom granted by the moderation policies here.

And I am not even asking for some bright line - just ANY guideline really which is more than "whatever is in Pundit's head at that moment."

That's literally the rule. He could ban everyone whose username starts with "J" and make the site about knitting tomorrow.

If you want a guideline, the one I use is to try to keep it on topic to RPGs in the RPG section. The further political, the more chance Pundit gets fed up.

That is the guideline: you can talk about the politics of an RPG subject, but the second you move away from that to general politics, you are posting out of topic.

If you really have cognitive difficulties understanding this, and cannot grasp the very defined yes/no line, I would suggest you just never post about politics. But of course most the people claiming this definition is somehow "unclear" are just being intentionally obtuse in order to try to attack me and the site.

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Quote from: SHARK on July 23, 2021, 07:24:05 PM
Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?

Grow up.  It's the same rules as RPG.net, Twitter, Facebook, and any other public forum.  Any borderline posts that support the prevailing narrative get excused, and any that oppose it get pulled.  Go whine on RPG.net about their inconsistent policies, then I'll take your whining here seriously...

I don't use RPG.net.

I come here expressly BECAUSE I enjoy the freedom granted by the moderation policies here.

And I am not even asking for some bright line - just ANY guideline really which is more than "whatever is in Pundit's head at that moment."

That's literally the rule. He could ban everyone whose username starts with "J" and make the site about knitting tomorrow.

If you want a guideline, the one I use is to try to keep it on topic to RPGs in the RPG section. The further political, the more chance Pundit gets fed up.

That is the guideline: you can talk about the politics of an RPG subject, but the second you move away from that to general politics, you are posting out of topic.

If you really have cognitive difficulties understanding this, and cannot grasp the very defined yes/no line, I would suggest you just never post about politics. But of course most the people claiming this definition is somehow "unclear" are just being intentionally obtuse in order to try to attack me and the site.

I think it's unclear, and I'm not being intentionally obtuse or trying to attack you or the site.

Take this thread. It's about Hasbro and a worker at Hasbro specifically and some woke HR training that happened at Hasbro. It has nothing to do with RPGs or WOTC or D&D.
One can make a very tenuous link that maybe this kind of woke HR training is representative of the kind of woke attitude at WOTC. But there has been absolutley nothing posted to make that link so far.
"Packaging Engineer at Hasbro" does this guy even work or live in the Seattle area? Where did the training take place? Was it even in the same state as WOTC?

The dude isn't even a Hasbro employee, he's a temp worker from an outside company. Now, nearly 200k has been raised for him. His story may or may not add up. There is really only his side of things out at this point, and James O'Keefe is not a reliable narrator.

Decades ago, I worked for a company where I was required to take a certain number of hours of paid training per year. But the nature of that training was largely up to me. I took mainly management and technology classes (remote), and a very popular (in-person) class called "White Men, Women, and Minorities: Culture and Power In America." It was actually pretty cool. Despite the name, it was pretty even-handed, and I specifically remember that the instructor wasn't just calling out whites (or men) for having shitty behaviors. It was more about getting people to recognize and challenge their own myopic attitudes. Again, this was all voluntary, and there are any number of other courses (like a HUGE catalog of them) that I could have taken instead. 

Not saying that's the case here, but given O'Keefe's history, it's a good bet there's more to the story.

Like Tubesock, I also have an annecdotal story about once having to do training at work which proves that because O'Keefe takes peoples own words and uses it against them without changing them to fit my narrative therefore he can not be trusted.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 25, 2021, 12:02:52 AM
The dude isn't even a Hasbro employee, he's a temp worker from an outside company. Now, nearly 200k has been raised for him. His story may or may not add up. There is really only his side of things out at this point, and James O'Keefe is not a reliable narrator.

Decades ago, I worked for a company where I was required to take a certain number of hours of paid training per year. But the nature of that training was largely up to me. I took mainly management and technology classes (remote), and a very popular (in-person) class called "White Men, Women, and Minorities: Culture and Power In America." It was actually pretty cool. Despite the name, it was pretty even-handed, and I specifically remember that the instructor wasn't just calling out whites (or men) for having shitty behaviors. It was more about getting people to recognize and challenge their own myopic attitudes.

Well, I'm certainly glad that a "cool" training course about myopic attitudes specified white people in it's title. [/s]

Greetings!

Hmmm...I have to say that of course this thread is relevant to WOTC and RPG's. It specifically deals with stuff going on and influencing HASBRO. HASBRO, and their policies, etc, has everything to do with WOTC.

To believe otherwise, well, ACTIVISION is to BLIZZARD what HASBRO is to WOTC. Everything that ACTIVISION does has an influence on BLIZZARD. I imagine that the relationship between HASBRO and WOTC is very similar.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 24, 2021, 08:26:48 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 24, 2021, 06:21:54 AM

Quote from: Prairie Dragon on July 21, 2021, 03:38:54 AMThe fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.

The difference is that, this time, in the teacher unions' laziness in not going back to face-to-face learning and the government keeping people out of work, they've spewed their toxic garbage fed to the children over Zoom within earshot of parents and, most importantly, fathers who aren't interested in comity and conflict avoidance as so many mothers are... and have now heard firsthand the sick CRT propaganda calling them and their children evil and deserving of death by dint of skin color.

The second reason it's different this time is that CRT isn't something hard to understand; it's pure race-based hate propaganda and almost no one beyond the utterly deranged wants their own children indoctrinated to hate.

That is definitely going to bite WotC in ass as people realize the agenda being baked into D&D going forward* because things like "white toddlers are racist" coming from leaked training seminars of the parent company is the same sort of easy-to-grok hatred that's seeing Netflix and it's endless parade of "we hate white people, particularly men" new content bleed subs, Black Widow dropping 80% in its second week, the networks wanting to end Neilson Ratings because their woke content keeps losing, etc.

People are already walking away from the CRT madness and WotC/Hasbro is just one more thing and RPGs are one the easiest things to find alternatives for to the Wokist garbage (ex. some people I game with just dusted off their old Spycraft 1e books from the early 2000's for a campaign).

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the "hot mess and frenemies of school life" with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I'm thinking "yes", but I'm open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

What is this travesty from?  The new pseudo Harry Potter WOTC offering?

This is what D&D players are into? 

It went from battle axes, warlords and sorcerers to this?  How long have I been asleep?

I am surely not the target demographic anymore.  This is embarrassing.

Quote from: Dapig on July 25, 2021, 12:43:48 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 24, 2021, 08:26:48 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 24, 2021, 06:21:54 AM

Quote from: Prairie Dragon on July 21, 2021, 03:38:54 AMThe fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.

The difference is that, this time, in the teacher unions' laziness in not going back to face-to-face learning and the government keeping people out of work, they've spewed their toxic garbage fed to the children over Zoom within earshot of parents and, most importantly, fathers who aren't interested in comity and conflict avoidance as so many mothers are... and have now heard firsthand the sick CRT propaganda calling them and their children evil and deserving of death by dint of skin color.

The second reason it's different this time is that CRT isn't something hard to understand; it's pure race-based hate propaganda and almost no one beyond the utterly deranged wants their own children indoctrinated to hate.

That is definitely going to bite WotC in ass as people realize the agenda being baked into D&D going forward* because things like "white toddlers are racist" coming from leaked training seminars of the parent company is the same sort of easy-to-grok hatred that's seeing Netflix and it's endless parade of "we hate white people, particularly men" new content bleed subs, Black Widow dropping 80% in its second week, the networks wanting to end Neilson Ratings because their woke content keeps losing, etc.

People are already walking away from the CRT madness and WotC/Hasbro is just one more thing and RPGs are one the easiest things to find alternatives for to the Wokist garbage (ex. some people I game with just dusted off their old Spycraft 1e books from the early 2000's for a campaign).

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the "hot mess and frenemies of school life" with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I'm thinking "yes", but I'm open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

What is this travesty from?  The new pseudo Harry Potter WOTC offering?

This is what D&D players are into? 

It went from battle axes, warlords and sorcerers to this?  How long have I been asleep?

I am surely not the target demographic anymore.  This is embarrassing.

Greetings!

It's all about drilling for oil now.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Are you sure you're interpreting that image correctly?

In D&D, there tend to be two types of art: Pictures of PCs preparing to slay monsters, and pictures of monsters the PCs are about to slay. The picture can't be a party, because there are no monsters for them to kill and they're not gearing up for anything except regret. So by the process of elimination, these must be monsters the PCs are intended to kill.

Which makes the new art problematic not progressive.

What the hell is going wrong with their mouths in that painting?
I want to slay anyone who smiles like that.
Why is that elf thing purple?
Are those lesbian elf and cat critters on the left?

Quote from: Pat on July 25, 2021, 01:16:02 PM
Are you sure you're interpreting that image correctly?

In D&D, there tend to be two types of art: Pictures of PCs preparing to slay monsters, and pictures of monsters the PCs are about to slay. The picture can't be a party, because there are no monsters for them to kill and they're not gearing up for anything except regret. So by the process of elimination, these must be monsters the PCs are intended to kill.

Which makes the new art problematic not progressive.

The real monster in the room, was the monster of misunderstanding <cue credits>
Likely, the AD&D Assassin, hiding in the shadows, would agree with you.

Quote from: SHARK on July 25, 2021, 12:58:15 PM

Quote from: Dapig on July 25, 2021, 12:43:48 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 24, 2021, 08:26:48 AM

Quote from: Omega on July 24, 2021, 06:21:54 AM

Quote from: Prairie Dragon on July 21, 2021, 03:38:54 AMThe fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.

The difference is that, this time, in the teacher unions' laziness in not going back to face-to-face learning and the government keeping people out of work, they've spewed their toxic garbage fed to the children over Zoom within earshot of parents and, most importantly, fathers who aren't interested in comity and conflict avoidance as so many mothers are... and have now heard firsthand the sick CRT propaganda calling them and their children evil and deserving of death by dint of skin color.

The second reason it's different this time is that CRT isn't something hard to understand; it's pure race-based hate propaganda and almost no one beyond the utterly deranged wants their own children indoctrinated to hate.

That is definitely going to bite WotC in ass as people realize the agenda being baked into D&D going forward* because things like "white toddlers are racist" coming from leaked training seminars of the parent company is the same sort of easy-to-grok hatred that's seeing Netflix and it's endless parade of "we hate white people, particularly men" new content bleed subs, Black Widow dropping 80% in its second week, the networks wanting to end Neilson Ratings because their woke content keeps losing, etc.

People are already walking away from the CRT madness and WotC/Hasbro is just one more thing and RPGs are one the easiest things to find alternatives for to the Wokist garbage (ex. some people I game with just dusted off their old Spycraft 1e books from the early 2000's for a campaign).

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the "hot mess and frenemies of school life" with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I'm thinking "yes", but I'm open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

What is this travesty from?  The new pseudo Harry Potter WOTC offering?

This is what D&D players are into? 

It went from battle axes, warlords and sorcerers to this?  How long have I been asleep?

I am surely not the target demographic anymore.  This is embarrassing.

Greetings!

It's all about drilling for oil now.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark,

I tell you...I laughed out loud at your assessment.  I will say such themes are increasingly prominent.  Not sure what to say...other than I admit to some level of embarrassment that the game is trying to capture magic proms whatever the orifice is the goal!  Lol!

So we played BECMI with my 7 year old yesterday.  It was us old guys sharing the hobby.  I let the kid know hey!  We might die!  But it's ok we can play a new character if we have to! 

In the end, his dwarf ended an ogre with his hammer.  Retainers were getting brained left and right. 

The yelling and high fives were the real deal.  So nice to share with my son!  I was his age when a older neighbor showed his moldvay books to me and planted the seed. 

Point being, my son liked the idea of his dwarf as gargauth "the ogre slayer."  Earned on the tabletop!  Proud father son moment...

I don't care if people want to play gay prom.  I find it sad that is what is being promoted though.  And even sadder that folks on other boards constantly remind me that xp for  gold is so passé...that "murder hobo" is no good no how and almost all adventuring is just that.   Now if you say hey, this is that "bad wrong fun" we are so against, right?  Crickets.  From top to bottom, the push is away from adventure and fantasy archetypes to homoerotic Star Trek in the fucking Renaissance.  It is depressing.  It seems like the death of a culture is imminent.

Any such sentiment is literally silenced nearly everywhere these days save here, which of course means this site is oh so icky and problematic.

Long live the ogre slayer!

Quote from: Pat on July 25, 2021, 01:16:02 PM
Are you sure you're interpreting that image correctly?

I'm interpreting it as something I won't be spending money on.

Yes!!!  Long live the Ogre Slayer!!!

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Quote from: Pat on July 25, 2021, 01:16:02 PM
Are you sure you're interpreting that image correctly?

I'm interpreting it as something I won't be spending money on.

You're not into  homoerotic Star Trek in the fucking Renaissance.?