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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2021, 11:45:49 PM »
Stop buying WotC. They and their parent company are pushing CRT on children and stupid adults.

Tell your friends. Tell your enemies. Tell yourself.

Not only that, stop playing their shit, find different games by people who don't push this racist BS AND buy their stuff, promote their stuff, play their stuff.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #151 on: July 24, 2021, 01:41:14 AM »
... But it's his forum...

Finally caught on have you?

This is Pundits clubhouse, if you don’t like it you know where the door is.

Honestly, you’re whining like a entitled brat.

“But, but, what about meeeeeeee!” “I don’t understand!!!”

Please.

And as for “allowing an opposing narrative....”

Pundit has allowed people who disagree with him to say things here that would get them instantly permabanned if they said the same against the ‘prevailing narrative’ on any other RPG forum.

Up to and including outright profanity directed at Pundit himself.

Yet they are still not banned, and continue to post here.

Dude has inch thick Cape buffalo skin.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #152 on: July 24, 2021, 02:54:18 AM »
[I still remember someone telling me that if WotC started loosing money the bean counters at Hasbro would do something... No we know Hasbro has also been converted so D&D is lost, dead, long live the OSR!
My only argument against this position is that if you limit yourself to the OSR, you're dead in the water. The masses have spoken and the OSR is a tiny minority in terms of play preference, but the majority isn't the Woke mobs either.

The Woke are a minority, which means they need to keep their enemies divided into factions smaller than they are so they can attack those smaller groups one a time.

We need to embrace EVERY type of play that doesn't cave to Marxist wankery; Old School, New School, Home School, Organized Play School. If its opposed to the Woke its part of the team.

The OSR is a great incubation chamber of ideas.

But ultimately if a future woke D&D is to be brought low, a viable alternative needs to come forth.

At some point we are going to have to pick a horse to back.

Well, then someone needs to make a non-woke clone of 5e.


It's premature. Because right now, the "non-woke clone of 5e" is.. the 5e PHB. It's not woke. Neither are the DMG or the Monster Manual.

Which is how you know that once Jeremy Crawford, or whichever of his comrades stabs him in the back for it, finally assumes absolute power over D&D, they'll be making a Woke 6th Edition (continuing to prove that the even-numbered editions of D&D are cursed).

That will be the point to do a 5e clone that is non-woke.


I guess you're right.  5E started out as a cool game.  It stayed that way for a little while.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #153 on: July 24, 2021, 06:21:54 AM »
The fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #154 on: July 24, 2021, 06:55:56 AM »
Stop buying WotC. They and their parent company are pushing CRT on children and stupid adults.

Tell your friends. Tell your enemies. Tell yourself.

Not only that, stop playing their shit, find different games by people who don't push this racist BS AND buy their stuff, promote their stuff, play their stuff.

Problem is, marketing keeps telling companies that your leaving is a good thing. "Fans are bad!" "We neeeeeed to attract the "modern" player!" (and then discard them to for the more modern player!)

Get rid of older players, replace with younger players.
Get rid of male players, replace with female players.
Get rid of fans of one edition and replace with fans of the next.

Failure is the only option.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #155 on: July 24, 2021, 08:20:03 AM »
But you're right. I should probably ban Reckall and yourself for posting about it. But instead I'll just tell both of you not to post any off-topic politics in this thread again.

The problem, as I see it, is that it is almost impossible to separate Wokeism both from his general impact on popular culture as a whole and the political discourse as a whole.

Before banning me, please read what follows  :)

Regarding popular culture, to me there is no difference between movies, comic and RPGs when it comes to "going woke". The recent Tolkien Society Summer Seminars and DC Comics' "I'm not Starfire" episodes don't live on separate planets. The impact of political/philosophical/religious movements on pop culture is always, if widespread enough, integrated. This means that The Tolkien Society, Terminator: Woke Fate, Star Wars and even this year's Oscars fiascoes are all lessons learned that can be useful for the RPGs sector too (with a recurring element: people don't buy woke, full stop).

Regarding the latter, there, I already used the word "political" in the last paragraph. But can you really avoid to not be political about a problem whose source has firm roots in politics (even if not only there)? While wokeism was already trending back in 2015, after the election of a certain President pop culture seemed to feel that it was their task to push back against his "values" and Wokeism all of sudden found an immense fertile ground and exploded. This belief of mine is a political statement (IMHO a simple observation, but let's admit how not everyone will agree).

A couple of months ago an article made the rounds, here, about the rejection of Wokeism by Christian thought. But the writer pointed out how it is rejected by atheists, too. Other articles, out there, show how the left itself rejects Wokeism - because it damages their values by bringing them to the screeching, unassailable extreme and thus causing an unwelcome pushback towards the left as a whole. "Even the left is your friend" should be considered a tool in the struggle against wokeism - not something to be discarded lightly.

And I personally think that all this obsession about "Marxism" only attacks part of the problem and fails to grasp that Wokeism is the symptom of a more deeply rooted malaise in today's Western society; a malaise that, by now, is colorless, and wildly grasps from Marxist to Christian thought - and everything in between - as long as they "validate" their thoughts.

And I also think that people in positions of power, these ranging from political parties, to Hollywood Studios, to journalists, are actively trying to ride and amplify this wave - either giving the impression or genuinely believing that it is THE wave (as we saw, truth is that it isn't). I wrote this before and in this very thread: WotC wants to go woke? They will go broke. Bean counters will save the day.

So, what the solution can be regarding the debate here? My only proposal is to create a separate sub-forum, or use an already existing one, where we can freely talk about "AOC is coming for your CoC books!" leaving this one for the unadulterated discussion of RPGs. If Ravenloft goes woke we can pin it with a link to the appropriate thread.

Whatever the solution will be, I think we need one. As I said, I can't see how you can't speak about woke-[thing] without, soon or later, mentioning the political discourse on the matter.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2021, 08:23:44 AM by Reckall »
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #156 on: July 24, 2021, 08:26:48 AM »
The fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.
The difference is that, this time, in the teacher unions’ laziness in not going back to face-to-face learning and the government keeping people out of work, they’ve spewed their toxic garbage fed to the children over Zoom within earshot of parents and, most importantly, fathers who aren’t interested in comity and conflict avoidance as so many mothers are... and have now heard firsthand the sick CRT propaganda calling them and their children evil and deserving of death by dint of skin color.

The second reason it’s different this time is that CRT isn’t something hard to understand; it’s pure race-based hate propaganda and almost no one beyond the utterly deranged wants their own children indoctrinated to hate.

That is definitely going to bite WotC in ass as people realize the agenda being baked into D&D going forward* because things like “white toddlers are racist” coming from leaked training seminars of the parent company is the same sort of easy-to-grok hatred that’s seeing Netflix and it’s endless parade of “we hate white people, particularly men” new content bleed subs, Black Widow dropping 80% in its second week, the networks wanting to end Neilson Ratings because their woke content keeps losing, etc.

People are already walking away from the CRT madness and WotC/Hasbro is just one more thing and RPGs are one the easiest things to find alternatives for to the Wokist garbage (ex. some people I game with just dusted off their old Spycraft 1e books from the early 2000’s for a campaign).

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the “hot mess and frenemies of school life” with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I’m thinking “yes”, but I’m open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #157 on: July 24, 2021, 08:39:53 AM »
"Opposing narratives" are absolutely allowed. For RPG topics, in the RPG forum. For non-RPG topics, in the Pundit's forum.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #158 on: July 24, 2021, 09:12:17 AM »
But you're right. I should probably ban Reckall and yourself for posting about it. But instead I'll just tell both of you not to post any off-topic politics in this thread again.

The problem, as I see it, is that it is almost impossible to separate Wokeism both from his general impact on popular culture as a whole and the political discourse as a whole.

The pattern usually goes like this.

X "woke" thing happens in RPGs.
People here discuss X woke thing.
Someone pushes back, making Y argument.
In order to discuss Y argument, we have to go into the wider politics and/or origins of the woke movement.
The thread drifts from the original topic until Pundit finally sees it and starts telling everyone to stop talking politics in the gaming forum.
Rinse, repeat.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #159 on: July 24, 2021, 10:12:26 AM »

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the “hot mess and frenemies of school life” with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I’m thinking “yes”, but I’m open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

They encouraged us to go stag if we had no dates. This is some kind of a cargo cult version of a prom with no theme (maybe the masks are a theme?) and two of the all-gay couples* are "idiot slow dancing/swaying" to a ballad while the one on the right is...doing the Charleston? So punk rock of them. And they don't have the authentic mob of wall flowers and "I hate the music" types  ice-berg-ing the punch bowl and chicken wing buffet way in the back. 

" Hey kids! Why not get some GREASE on your rentals!"


* (no cisheteronormativity thing here in fake prom, because this is a safe space from all the  baseball bats and mental institutions with electric conversion therapy or something that i totally read about...only special cases are invited! Take that evil pissbaby shitlordz!)
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #160 on: July 24, 2021, 12:53:17 PM »
Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

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Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?
Grow up.  It's the same rules as RPG.net, Twitter, Facebook, and any other public forum.  Any borderline posts that support the prevailing narrative get excused, and any that oppose it get pulled.  Go whine on RPG.net about their inconsistent policies, then I'll take your whining here seriously...

I don't use RPG.net.

I come here expressly BECAUSE I enjoy the freedom granted by the moderation policies here.

And I am not even asking for some bright line - just ANY guideline really which is more than "whatever is in Pundit's head at that moment."

As for this topic, I actually AGREE with Pundit this is a real issue and I really have serious issues with Conscious Kid and have voiced those issues long before this topic came up. I just want to know how much I can say of those issues which isn't directly about RPGs.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #161 on: July 24, 2021, 01:53:52 PM »
Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?
Grow up.  It's the same rules as RPG.net, Twitter, Facebook, and any other public forum.  Any borderline posts that support the prevailing narrative get excused, and any that oppose it get pulled.  Go whine on RPG.net about their inconsistent policies, then I'll take your whining here seriously...

I don't use RPG.net.

I come here expressly BECAUSE I enjoy the freedom granted by the moderation policies here.

And I am not even asking for some bright line - just ANY guideline really which is more than "whatever is in Pundit's head at that moment."

That's literally the rule. He could ban everyone whose username starts with "J" and make the site about knitting tomorrow.

If you want a guideline, the one I use is to try to keep it on topic to RPGs in the RPG section. The further political, the more chance Pundit gets fed up.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2021, 02:40:42 PM »
And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?

Be a giant sandy flapping vagina about it? Like you are?
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #163 on: July 24, 2021, 03:01:01 PM »
That prom picture posted is...interesting.  Curious how the vaguely hetero (at least I think so) couple are the only ones not actually making any physical contact, evidently 'dancing to a different beat', with no real direct eye-contact with each other.  They look happy, but will never have the deep connection shared by the others.

Best example of 'hover-hand' I've seen in a while.  Thank goodness all that is just me reading too much into an innocent pictorial and not the artist's intention.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #164 on: July 24, 2021, 04:18:19 PM »
The fact that their agenda is openly targeting children with lead them to creating their own downfall.

Hate to say it. But no it wont.

They will push this like all their other screeds. "Think of the children! its for their own good! We have to protect them! Properly "educate" them!". And people will as usual not and agree with these lunatics rather than call them out.

Its been this way with the last two iterations and its in full swing with the current. They opened up during this one with the usual "Think of the children" and calling for carding and background checks on DMs and on and on.
The difference is that, this time, in the teacher unions’ laziness in not going back to face-to-face learning and the government keeping people out of work, they’ve spewed their toxic garbage fed to the children over Zoom within earshot of parents and, most importantly, fathers who aren’t interested in comity and conflict avoidance as so many mothers are... and have now heard firsthand the sick CRT propaganda calling them and their children evil and deserving of death by dint of skin color.

The second reason it’s different this time is that CRT isn’t something hard to understand; it’s pure race-based hate propaganda and almost no one beyond the utterly deranged wants their own children indoctrinated to hate.

That is definitely going to bite WotC in ass as people realize the agenda being baked into D&D going forward* because things like “white toddlers are racist” coming from leaked training seminars of the parent company is the same sort of easy-to-grok hatred that’s seeing Netflix and it’s endless parade of “we hate white people, particularly men” new content bleed subs, Black Widow dropping 80% in its second week, the networks wanting to end Neilson Ratings because their woke content keeps losing, etc.

People are already walking away from the CRT madness and WotC/Hasbro is just one more thing and RPGs are one the easiest things to find alternatives for to the Wokist garbage (ex. some people I game with just dusted off their old Spycraft 1e books from the early 2000’s for a campaign).

* sidebar: WTF is it with SJWs and PROM!?! You see it again and again in recent woke media and the latest announced setting from WotC is some magic school bs talking about the “hot mess and frenemies of school life” with THIS as one of their big marketing pieces...



... Is it just that the SJWs were almost invariably such ugly-on-the-inside hags they never got asked by anyone themselves? I’m thinking “yes”, but I’m open to other interpretations of their weird prom fetish.

What their prom would really look like:

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