Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2021, 07:48:42 PM
The key battle is happening now and is being waged EVERYWHERE at the same time. The hordes of fucking barbarians that are the SJWs have come from inside the Polis itself and are now going house-to-house trying to burn it ALL to the fucking ground and leave nothing but salted earth in its wake. It's a battle in a defining war for the future of civilization itself, and if the SJWs win we will all be plunged back into a new dark age of savagery.

Every single measure to stop this needs to be on the table, because the death tolls if they win will give the Black Death a run for its money.

It won't be won by waging a bloody thread by thread war on the RPGSite.

It will only be won by waging a post by post war against SJW entryism LITERALLY EVERYWHERE.

This is a civil war, and I get that it feels inconvenient for some of you that my fighting back against people who want to destroy the hobby you love, and LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE you love (your country, your economic freedom, your job, your education, your art, your religion and your children), is getting in the way of you feeling relaxed while painting your elf miniatures, but for those of us who care about the future of human civilization it's a little more important to us to be trying to stop your fat asses from ending up in the death camp or the killing fields, and to stop your children from being ideologically and/or literally taken by these psychopaths and brainwashed into being terrorists for the destruction of the human species.

And if you're really tired by all this and just want it to stop, then I'm not the one you need to be dealing with. If YOU stood up to these Communist Totalitarian psychopaths like I do, they'd be finished in a day. On the other hand, if you got me to stop, you would end up in a gulag, dumbass.

Funny, because I don't have conspiracy theories, and I've never seen you question a damn thing.

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 23, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Funny, because I don't have conspiracy theories, and I've never seen you question a damn thing.

You know that Mistwell questions the anti-WotC narrative.

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Quote from: rgalex on July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

Honestly, I don't consider Breitbart and the like so much different from woke outlets. Like Stanley Kubrick said of the political parties in "A Clockwork Orange", superficially they are opposite, factually they are the same thing.

"A man who engaged in non-violent protest at the Capitol was given eight months prison, while hundreds of BLM cases have been dropped." Just write "A man who engaged in non-violent protest during a BLM event was given eight months prison, while hundreds of Capitol protest cases have been dropped." and you will have a woke screamsheet. But that's the "new America" for us who are watching from the sidelines.

Except this is literally a lie. Capitol protest cases have NOT BEEN TRIED. People have been held, without even having charges against them, as GUANTANAMO-STYLE POLITICAL PRISONERS, for seven months now.

Name ONE BLM rioters who has had the same happen? Instead, Leftist DAs, mayors and governors all over the country  have dropped charges and Kamal Harris personally paid the bail of BLM rioters who engaged in burning down entire city blocks, looting businesses and stabbing people.

There is a clear collapse of equal treatment in Rule of Law in America. Once that happens, it's almost impossible that things will get fixed without conflict.

The claim the capital rioters are being held without being charged is all false (like patently absurdly lyingly false, they're charged and most made bail and are out "on personal recognizance") but more importantly I am really trying to see how this is about RPGs?

Because some people have been charged, doesn't doesn't mean other people have not.  Meanwhile BLM rioters and terrorists are not held, not charged and don't need bail (many Capitol protesters who are charged are also being held without bail for no violent crime), because the Leftists in control of the legal system view them as their mercenaries.

But you're right. I should probably ban Reckall and yourself for posting about it. But instead I'll just tell both of you not to post any off-topic politics in this thread again.

Quote from: Merrill on July 22, 2021, 03:36:07 PM
The wokeness and radical politics are practically inescapable these days when it comes to this hobby

years go I used to go to Garycon and have fun there playing old school D&D, hanging out with the old-timers from the hobby. Everything was chill, and like a private party

since that convention has gotten popular, and WOTC was invited in, it has turned into a meeting of the fucking RAF

next year's guests include:

Tom Morrello: Rage Against the Machine guitarist, ANTIFA member, committed Communist. The guy who consistently praised Castro, called for violent riots last year, denounces all cops as Klan members, demanded that statues to Jefferson and Washington in DC get ripped down, and calls the American flag a symbol of racism and genocide

BDave Walters: some gamer / activist dude who pushes CRT on his youtube channel, and basically bashes white people non-stop

Aliza Pearl: another BLM figure

Mike Mearls: don't need to comment on this guy

Jennel Jacquays: transgender activist and complete psycho

and like 6-7 more guests from the furthest reaches of the radical left

and the colors of the t-shirts next year are the colors of the transgender flag (coral, baby blue and white)

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Other conventions aren't much better. So it isn't simply liberal or even a little lefty --it is full-on Anti-American activist socialism all over the place.

Do you have a link to the guest list? Just to confirm.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 21, 2021, 11:23:36 PM
[I still remember someone telling me that if WotC started loosing money the bean counters at Hasbro would do something... No we know Hasbro has also been converted so D&D is lost, dead, long live the OSR!

My only argument against this position is that if you limit yourself to the OSR, you're dead in the water. The masses have spoken and the OSR is a tiny minority in terms of play preference, but the majority isn't the Woke mobs either.

The Woke are a minority, which means they need to keep their enemies divided into factions smaller than they are so they can attack those smaller groups one a time.

We need to embrace EVERY type of play that doesn't cave to Marxist wankery; Old School, New School, Home School, Organized Play School. If its opposed to the Woke its part of the team.

The OSR is a great incubation chamber of ideas.

But ultimately if a future woke D&D is to be brought low, a viable alternative needs to come forth.

At some point we are going to have to pick a horse to back.

Well, it's obviously got be Lion & Dragon.

Make L&D the next pathfinder!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2021, 06:09:46 PM

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 21, 2021, 11:23:36 PM
[I still remember someone telling me that if WotC started loosing money the bean counters at Hasbro would do something... No we know Hasbro has also been converted so D&D is lost, dead, long live the OSR!

My only argument against this position is that if you limit yourself to the OSR, you're dead in the water. The masses have spoken and the OSR is a tiny minority in terms of play preference, but the majority isn't the Woke mobs either.

The Woke are a minority, which means they need to keep their enemies divided into factions smaller than they are so they can attack those smaller groups one a time.

We need to embrace EVERY type of play that doesn't cave to Marxist wankery; Old School, New School, Home School, Organized Play School. If its opposed to the Woke its part of the team.

The OSR is a great incubation chamber of ideas.

But ultimately if a future woke D&D is to be brought low, a viable alternative needs to come forth.

At some point we are going to have to pick a horse to back.

Well, then someone needs to make a non-woke clone of 5e.

It's premature. Because right now, the "non-woke clone of 5e" is.. the 5e PHB. It's not woke. Neither are the DMG or the Monster Manual.

Which is how you know that once Jeremy Crawford, or whichever of his comrades stabs him in the back for it, finally assumes absolute power over D&D, they'll be making a Woke 6th Edition (continuing to prove that the even-numbered editions of D&D are cursed).

That will be the point to do a 5e clone that is non-woke.

Quote from: Batman on July 22, 2021, 06:58:23 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 22, 2021, 02:08:38 PM

Quote from: Batman on July 22, 2021, 01:51:28 PM
Bwhahahaha..... project veritas

I didn't even need to go any further.

Being covered by mainstream press like Newsweek also though.

I looked for Newsweeks article but didn't see it. I did find one from the Daily Mail that said that
1. This training webinar wasn't mandated, but voluntary, and only for small groups.

2. The content was derived from a 3rd Party, which may have views that are not consistent with WotC views.

3. The whistleblower didn't even attend such webinar about the content therin.

Here's the Daily Mail article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9805663/Hasbro-whistleblower-claims-firms-CRT-training-teaches-babies-racist-3-months-old.html

read it carefully. Yes, the Race Grifters are a third party, contracted by Hasbro! This is what big companies do, hire specialists meant to indoctrinate. The disclaimer that "they might not represent Hasbro's Values" is ridiculous when Hasbro is getting its employees to go listen to these people TELL THE EMPLOYEES to put this indoctrination INTO Hasbro's products.
I mean if you looked at a list of Hasbro's speakers, do you think you'd find Jordan Peterson on it? No. You'll find one after another of postmodernist SJW psychopaths.

"Optional": Note that has Hasbro's lawyers say they "occasionally invite third party speakers for optional sessions" but does not say that this Webinar in particular was optional. If it was, they would have said so. The fact that they didn't pretty much guarantees it was. As does EVERY other bit of information we have, including Johnson's own testimony, the recording of the webinar, and Johnson's taped conversation with his supervisor.



Also, WHERE does the article claim Johnson didn't attend? He obviously did, HE WAS THE ONE WHO FUCKING RECORDED IT.

Finally, I note you have no comment on the appalling and toxic content of the racist SJWs from this "Conscious Kids" indoctrination group, do you? They've gone underground now, trying to hide what your side doesn't want the public to see: that you're after their kids.

Quote from: sevenlabors on July 23, 2021, 03:36:15 PM


Speaking as a relatively new guy who's not been around RPG forums for a decade, that sure seems to be the interesting dynamic here. I appreciate the contrast this forum presents to the other one, but goodness, it seems to be as much about counter-RPG.net sociopolitics as much as it is the games themselves. Regardless of how much I tend to agree with the points made, it makes it hard to wade through and find the good gaming content.

I'll give you one quick tip: if the TITLE of the thread includes the terms "CRT" and "Wokism"... it's probably going to be a bit political.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 06:09:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 23, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
There are a ton of politics lite or free threads. Every thread with politics tends to have it right in the title.

Sure, but then what do you do with stuff like this:

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
Because I'm fucking sick of people constantly breaking the rules on off-topic posting, I'm making a new policy, effective immediately.

As always, the main forum allows threads on the subject of the RPG hobby, INCLUDING political entryism or other political issues WITHIN the hobby.


From now on, anyone who - TO MY OWN JUDGMENT - takes advantage of this to start posting off the topic of the RPG hobby and into their wider political opinions on the subject, will earn a PERMANENT ban from this forum.

and how do you reconcile that with stuff like this?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 21, 2021, 06:16:19 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 21, 2021, 08:24:38 AM

Quote from: rgalex on July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

Honestly, I don't consider Breitbart and the like so much different from woke outlets. Like Stanley Kubrick said of the political parties in "A Clockwork Orange", superficially they are opposite, factually they are the same thing.

"A man who engaged in non-violent protest at the Capitol was given eight months prison, while hundreds of BLM cases have been dropped." Just write "A man who engaged in non-violent protest during a BLM event was given eight months prison, while hundreds of Capitol protest cases have been dropped." and you will have a woke screamsheet. But that's the "new America" for us who are watching from the sidelines.

Except this is literally a lie. Capitol protest cases have NOT BEEN TRIED. People have been held, without even having charges against them, as GUANTANAMO-STYLE POLITICAL PRISONERS, for seven months now.

Name ONE BLM rioters who has had the same happen? Instead, Leftist DAs, mayors and governors all over the country  have dropped charges and Kamal Harris personally paid the bail of BLM rioters who engaged in burning down entire city blocks, looting businesses and stabbing people.

There is a clear collapse of equal treatment in Rule of Law in America. Once that happens, it's almost impossible that things will get fixed without conflict.

Can I post about the capital riot here? Can I only do that if I find an excuse in an RPG topic (or not even an RPG topic, a Hasbro topic, so already once removed) to bring that up? WTF is the guideline here?

You can't. Not here. You can on the Pundit's forum.

I can post ANYTHING I WANT ANYWHERE on here, because I own this forum.

Quote from: Shasarak on July 23, 2021, 07:35:09 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 23, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Funny, because I don't have conspiracy theories, and I've never seen you question a damn thing.

You know that Mistwell questions the anti-WotC narrative.

No, he COMPLAINS about it. He posts memes about it. He insults about it.

I haven't seen much actual "questioning".

Quote from: SHARK on July 23, 2021, 07:24:05 PM
Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 09:27:16 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 23, 2021, 07:24:05 PM
Greetings!

What is the purpose of *complaining*? That just seems like whining to me, or otherwise trying to be purposely hostile and seeking to play "Nyahh Nyahh!" games with Pundit.

Pundit is human, and digresses, gets caught up in topics and side-discussions, just like everyone here has also periodically. Just try and remind people in a thread--respectfully and generously--and then go start a particular political thread in Pundit's Forum about whatever. Go back to the original RPG topic thread, and remind people, "Hey, I have started a thread on X in Pundit's Forum."

There is no problem here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because he's literally the only one on the entire forum free from the threat of a total perma ban for making a misstep like that? Is it really so much to ask for some clarification as to what the vague guideline is supposed to be?

And he just gave that clarification - do as I say, not as I do. Which I think is a shitty guideline because it basically baits people to respond in kind. But it's his forum so what yah gonna do?

Grow up.  It's the same rules as RPG.net, Twitter, Facebook, and any other public forum.  Any borderline posts that support the prevailing narrative get excused, and any that oppose it get pulled.  Go whine on RPG.net about their inconsistent policies, then I'll take your whining here seriously...

Why dont we just use the Twitter/Facebook equivalent rules on what can be posted?






Too soon?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 23, 2021, 07:48:46 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 22, 2021, 06:09:46 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on July 22, 2021, 05:10:54 PM

Quote from: Chris24601 on July 22, 2021, 10:43:53 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 21, 2021, 11:23:36 PM
[I still remember someone telling me that if WotC started loosing money the bean counters at Hasbro would do something... No we know Hasbro has also been converted so D&D is lost, dead, long live the OSR!

My only argument against this position is that if you limit yourself to the OSR, you're dead in the water. The masses have spoken and the OSR is a tiny minority in terms of play preference, but the majority isn't the Woke mobs either.

The Woke are a minority, which means they need to keep their enemies divided into factions smaller than they are so they can attack those smaller groups one a time.

We need to embrace EVERY type of play that doesn't cave to Marxist wankery; Old School, New School, Home School, Organized Play School. If its opposed to the Woke its part of the team.

The OSR is a great incubation chamber of ideas.

But ultimately if a future woke D&D is to be brought low, a viable alternative needs to come forth.

At some point we are going to have to pick a horse to back.

Well, then someone needs to make a non-woke clone of 5e.

It's premature. Because right now, the "non-woke clone of 5e" is.. the 5e PHB. It's not woke. Neither are the DMG or the Monster Manual.

Which is how you know that once Jeremy Crawford, or whichever of his comrades stabs him in the back for it, finally assumes absolute power over D&D, they'll be making a Woke 6th Edition (continuing to prove that the even-numbered editions of D&D are cursed).

That will be the point to do a 5e clone that is non-woke.

That event can't be too far in the future, and cloning 5e isn't something you do in a few months, unless you have a team doing it. If it's a single developer that person better start right now.