Quote from: jhkim on July 23, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
Shouldn't this go to the Pundit's forum? As far as I can see, there is zero RPG relevance here.

Hasbro may own WotC, but we're not even talking about WotC here - and a lot of the discussion is even broader than Hasbro.

I made that complaint, to Pundit. No response. Because...it was his comments making it not about RPGs. In fact his comments were not even about Hasbro. It was just generic "The left is evil" stuff.

At this point I really don't know what is supposed to go where. When Pundits own rants in this RPG forum clearly violate the rule he stickied to the top of the forum, which causes dozens of others to make similar rants which have nothing to do with RPGs, and he wont' even speak to it, how are any of us supposed to know what the rule is supposed to be?

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 02:41:15 PM

Quote from: jhkim on July 23, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
Shouldn't this go to the Pundit's forum? As far as I can see, there is zero RPG relevance here.

Hasbro may own WotC, but we're not even talking about WotC here - and a lot of the discussion is even broader than Hasbro.

I made that complaint, to Pundit. No response. Because...it was his comments making it not about RPGs. In fact his comments were not even about Hasbro. It was just generic "The left is evil" stuff.

At this point I really don't know what is supposed to go where. When Pundits own rants in this RPG forum clearly violate the rule he stickied to the top of the forum, which causes dozens of others to make similar rants which have nothing to do with RPGs, and he wont' even speak to it, how are any of us supposed to know what the rule is supposed to be?

Speaking as a relatively new guy who's not been around RPG forums for a decade, that sure seems to be the interesting dynamic here. I appreciate the contrast this forum presents to the other one, but goodness, it seems to be as much about counter-RPG.net sociopolitics as much as it is the games themselves. Regardless of how much I tend to agree with the points made, it makes it hard to wade through and find the good gaming content.

But honestly? Far be it for me as that new guy to come in pissing and moaning or trying to change how the community here has shaken out. If people like the vibe, cool. It's just surprised me, if I'm honest.

Quote from: sevenlabors on July 23, 2021, 03:36:15 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 02:41:15 PM

Quote from: jhkim on July 23, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
Shouldn't this go to the Pundit's forum? As far as I can see, there is zero RPG relevance here.

Hasbro may own WotC, but we're not even talking about WotC here - and a lot of the discussion is even broader than Hasbro.

I made that complaint, to Pundit. No response. Because...it was his comments making it not about RPGs. In fact his comments were not even about Hasbro. It was just generic "The left is evil" stuff.

At this point I really don't know what is supposed to go where. When Pundits own rants in this RPG forum clearly violate the rule he stickied to the top of the forum, which causes dozens of others to make similar rants which have nothing to do with RPGs, and he wont' even speak to it, how are any of us supposed to know what the rule is supposed to be?

Speaking as a relatively new guy who's not been around RPG forums for a decade, that sure seems to be the interesting dynamic here. I appreciate the contrast this forum presents to the other one, but goodness, it seems to be as much about counter-RPG.net sociopolitics as much as it is the games themselves. Regardless of how much I tend to agree with the points made, it makes it hard to wade through and find the good gaming content.

But honestly? Far be it for me as that new guy to come in pissing and moaning or trying to change how the community here has shaken out. If people like the vibe, cool. It's just surprised me, if I'm honest.

That's a fair assessment.  Probably just avoid any forum topic with exclamation marks in the title and you'll be fine. heh

The one key difference I see here that I don't see elsewhere is pretty much anything related to RPG's is debatable (and more on the specific Pundit's own forum).  Granted, you're going to get some pushback if you're view is contrarian to the general vibe of the forum, but things are debatable at least, not completely wiped and negated.  I could be wrong but I haven't seen it happen.

It is a charged topic to be sure, but an important one as Hasbro mandates the temperament of its subdivisions like WOtC.  As I have yet to find any other RPG forum discussing this, I can understand why it may get a little heated as one could see it as ground zero for the RPG related side of things.

I'll be happy with a clear statement by WOtC's parent company about the issue, as it no doubt affects the type of environment that creates the RPG material that makes its way to market.  So far, the waffling they are presently doing, while expected, is less than impressive, no matter how one feels about the topic.  Like it or not, WOtC's actions and direction have a huge influence on the hobby, good or bad.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 02:41:15 PM
At this point I really don't know what is supposed to go where.

Same here.

There are a ton of politics lite or free threads. Every thread with politics tends to have it right in the title.

Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!

Anyone shocked we're talking about the culture war in a thread about woke "training" at Hasbro, owners of WOTC?

I'll even do your work for you. Here's some threads-

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/simultaneous-initiative/

Got an opinion about simultaneous initiative? Go for it!

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/so-i-finally-ran-dnd-on-roll-20-last-night/

danskmacabre just ran his first session on roll20. What a thread! Check it out, man!

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/fantasy-rpg-combat-preferences/

Participate in the combat preferences poll! Surely you have an opinion to share!

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 23, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
There are a ton of politics lite or free threads. Every thread with politics tends to have it right in the title.

Sure, but then what do you do with stuff like this:

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
Because I'm fucking sick of people constantly breaking the rules on off-topic posting, I'm making a new policy, effective immediately.

As always, the main forum allows threads on the subject of the RPG hobby, INCLUDING political entryism or other political issues WITHIN the hobby.


From now on, anyone who - TO MY OWN JUDGMENT - takes advantage of this to start posting off the topic of the RPG hobby and into their wider political opinions on the subject, will earn a PERMANENT ban from this forum.

and how do you reconcile that with stuff like this?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 21, 2021, 06:16:19 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 21, 2021, 08:24:38 AM

Quote from: rgalex on July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

Honestly, I don't consider Breitbart and the like so much different from woke outlets. Like Stanley Kubrick said of the political parties in "A Clockwork Orange", superficially they are opposite, factually they are the same thing.

"A man who engaged in non-violent protest at the Capitol was given eight months prison, while hundreds of BLM cases have been dropped." Just write "A man who engaged in non-violent protest during a BLM event was given eight months prison, while hundreds of Capitol protest cases have been dropped." and you will have a woke screamsheet. But that's the "new America" for us who are watching from the sidelines.

Except this is literally a lie. Capitol protest cases have NOT BEEN TRIED. People have been held, without even having charges against them, as GUANTANAMO-STYLE POLITICAL PRISONERS, for seven months now.

Name ONE BLM rioters who has had the same happen? Instead, Leftist DAs, mayors and governors all over the country  have dropped charges and Kamal Harris personally paid the bail of BLM rioters who engaged in burning down entire city blocks, looting businesses and stabbing people.

There is a clear collapse of equal treatment in Rule of Law in America. Once that happens, it's almost impossible that things will get fixed without conflict.

Can I post about the capital riot here? Can I only do that if I find an excuse in an RPG topic (or not even an RPG topic, a Hasbro topic, so already once removed) to bring that up? WTF is the guideline here?

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 06:09:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 23, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
There are a ton of politics lite or free threads. Every thread with politics tends to have it right in the title.

Sure, but then what do you do with stuff like this:

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
Because I'm fucking sick of people constantly breaking the rules on off-topic posting, I'm making a new policy, effective immediately.

As always, the main forum allows threads on the subject of the RPG hobby, INCLUDING political entryism or other political issues WITHIN the hobby.


From now on, anyone who - TO MY OWN JUDGMENT - takes advantage of this to start posting off the topic of the RPG hobby and into their wider political opinions on the subject, will earn a PERMANENT ban from this forum.

and how do you reconcile that with stuff like this?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 21, 2021, 06:16:19 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 21, 2021, 08:24:38 AM

Quote from: rgalex on July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

Honestly, I don't consider Breitbart and the like so much different from woke outlets. Like Stanley Kubrick said of the political parties in "A Clockwork Orange", superficially they are opposite, factually they are the same thing.

"A man who engaged in non-violent protest at the Capitol was given eight months prison, while hundreds of BLM cases have been dropped." Just write "A man who engaged in non-violent protest during a BLM event was given eight months prison, while hundreds of Capitol protest cases have been dropped." and you will have a woke screamsheet. But that's the "new America" for us who are watching from the sidelines.

Except this is literally a lie. Capitol protest cases have NOT BEEN TRIED. People have been held, without even having charges against them, as GUANTANAMO-STYLE POLITICAL PRISONERS, for seven months now.

Name ONE BLM rioters who has had the same happen? Instead, Leftist DAs, mayors and governors all over the country  have dropped charges and Kamal Harris personally paid the bail of BLM rioters who engaged in burning down entire city blocks, looting businesses and stabbing people.

There is a clear collapse of equal treatment in Rule of Law in America. Once that happens, it's almost impossible that things will get fixed without conflict.

Can I post about the capital riot here? Can I only do that if I find an excuse in an RPG topic (or not even an RPG topic, a Hasbro topic, so already once removed) to bring that up? WTF is the guideline here?

Dunno, man. I haven't been thrilled with Pundit's politics rule because it has been really soft and squishy. It doesn't help that most culture war topics involve RPGs and politics with pretty predictable thread drift.

Really, I just play it by ear.

Quote from: Spinachcat on July 21, 2021, 08:01:02 PM
RPGPundit, are the communists in Uruguay and the rest of Centra/South America feeling empowered by America's quickening collapse?

That's a complex question, and the only answer I'll give here is that it varies, because there's a stronger new right raising up in South America around figures like Bolsonaro and Lacalle Pou (my president, maybe the best Head of State in the entire world right now), but it's certainly emboldened the axis of Cuba-Venezuela-Argentina who are looking to expand communist dominance into Chile and the whole Andean region.

But please don't comment further on this in this thread, as it is off-topic. You want to talk about it? start a thread on the Pundit's forum.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 21, 2021, 08:06:33 PM
In the US, there are more Democrats than there are Americans.
Democrats are told to stay home and not work and that they don't have to pay their rent/mortgage because it's year-round COVID now.
Banks that own all these properties won't survive this.

It's not the banks that are the targets, they'll get bailed out. It's the small landlords. Just like the small businessmen.

The entire goal is to wipe out all of the Independent Middle Class, so that the only middle class that remains will be public employees or employees of big companies. Which will then be politically beholden, knowing that speaking out will mean the loss of everything.

Quote from: Mistwell on July 23, 2021, 06:09:50 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 23, 2021, 04:23:58 PM
There are a ton of politics lite or free threads. Every thread with politics tends to have it right in the title.

Sure, but then what do you do with stuff like this:

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 25, 2020, 07:53:40 PM
Because I'm fucking sick of people constantly breaking the rules on off-topic posting, I'm making a new policy, effective immediately.

As always, the main forum allows threads on the subject of the RPG hobby, INCLUDING political entryism or other political issues WITHIN the hobby.


From now on, anyone who - TO MY OWN JUDGMENT - takes advantage of this to start posting off the topic of the RPG hobby and into their wider political opinions on the subject, will earn a PERMANENT ban from this forum.

and how do you reconcile that with stuff like this?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 21, 2021, 06:16:19 PM

Quote from: Reckall on July 21, 2021, 08:24:38 AM

Quote from: rgalex on July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

Honestly, I don't consider Breitbart and the like so much different from woke outlets. Like Stanley Kubrick said of the political parties in "A Clockwork Orange", superficially they are opposite, factually they are the same thing.

"A man who engaged in non-violent protest at the Capitol was given eight months prison, while hundreds of BLM cases have been dropped." Just write "A man who engaged in non-violent protest during a BLM event was given eight months prison, while hundreds of Capitol protest cases have been dropped." and you will have a woke screamsheet. But that's the "new America" for us who are watching from the sidelines.

Except this is literally a lie. Capitol protest cases have NOT BEEN TRIED. People have been held, without even having charges against them, as GUANTANAMO-STYLE POLITICAL PRISONERS, for seven months now.

Name ONE BLM rioters who has had the same happen? Instead, Leftist DAs, mayors and governors all over the country  have dropped charges and Kamal Harris personally paid the bail of BLM rioters who engaged in burning down entire city blocks, looting businesses and stabbing people.

There is a clear collapse of equal treatment in Rule of Law in America. Once that happens, it's almost impossible that things will get fixed without conflict.

Can I post about the capital riot here? Can I only do that if I find an excuse in an RPG topic (or not even an RPG topic, a Hasbro topic, so already once removed) to bring that up? WTF is the guideline here?

The rules are more open in the Pundit's forum.  You can get a little political over there.

Quote from: Pat on July 21, 2021, 09:31:16 PM
One solution that might work, but which I haven't seen proposed anywhere, is to put cameras in all classrooms, and give parents access so they can watch, in real time and via playback, what exactly the teachers are telling their children. That would completely defang the attempts to teach toxic stuff behind the parents' backs.

I literally proposed this on Twitter weeks ago. And so have others.

QuoteNot sure what to do with Hasbro, though Hasbro is more a downstream problem. It's where the problems created in academia and the primary school system manifest. I think it's mostly useful as an object lesson in what's being taught, and how it's seeping into other institutions, and thus can be used to bring more attention to the problems upstream.

They're engaging in total war in all areas. We must engage in total war in all areas. That absolutely means destroying the entire education system and rebuilding it free of poison while firing most current teachers, and probably ending colleges and universities as we know them.
But it also includes not letting Stalinists use comic books, tv shows, movies and games to indoctrinate people into racial hatred.

Has it all really come to this? Did they really claim white toddlers are racist?

It was nice knowing you years ago, Hasbro. Now you are "Hasbroken."

The first thing one can do is simply not buy anything directly or indirectly connected to them. And this includes any Wizards of the Coast products.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 22, 2021, 12:08:48 AM

There is zero percent chance of them letting themselves be accountable like putting cameras in classrooms.

Cops didn't want that either. But they didn't get a choice. Take over local governments and schoolboards and go to fucking war with the teachers.

Quote from: Jaeger on July 22, 2021, 12:49:30 AM


Ahh... But as the former USSR and Eastern Block has shown – you can collapse your way out of it!

It just depends on which side is more culturally resilient.

Mormons and Baptists will end up inheriting the ruins of Post-Communist America.

Ironically, the feminists will finally get something closer to their Handmaid's Tale cosplay.

Quote from: The_Shadow on July 22, 2021, 01:01:48 AM
The only effective response is to make parallel institutions and vote with your feet/dollars. Exactly as this place and associated content creators have shown. The woke have won, but that doesn't mean there can't be a strong, hard-core of counterculture. The Amish don't despair that the secular and modern world has "won". They live and thrive in their corner, and teach their values to their children. They have been extraordinarily successful, by the way, in an evolutionary sense.

Not in places where they were murdered.

The problem with saying "i don't care, i'll just ride it out here in my little town with my friends playing old d&d" is that if you let these people take the power to commit violence, they'll come to your little town with badges, and their version of the stasi will drag you and your friends out of your basement and have you shot for playing the wrong kind of D&D.

Ask Cubans.