A while back I bought this book. And recently, I finished reading it. The content of the book is thick and it does deliver methodologies needed to run some styles of scifi games.

However. The thing it does not deliver is options or different approaches for gamers who may be looking for other alternatives. Which certainly could have been something that could have made a good book into a stellar book.

But you want to know what they did? In a toolkit book. They dedicated half the book to sample settings. Something they have not done with any other book in the series. They included this filler instead of a full form treatment that would have made life easier for scifi GMs. And that's a shame. Because this book could have been far more than what it turned out to be.

But at least this time, the book wasn't a political manifesto.

I'm interested in SFPRGs to, and if i may i'd like to ask what you think of this SF toolkit vs other SF toolkits if you're familiar with them.

Basically there's gurps space, starhero (Does anyone still play the hero system?) d6 space (A dead project i think) and maybe some others i don't know. Does BRP do a SF toolkit?

Quote from: The Thing on May 25, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
I'm interested in SFPRGs to, and if i may i'd like to ask what you think of this SF toolkit vs other SF toolkits if you're familiar with them.

Basically there's gurps space, starhero (Does anyone still play the hero system?) d6 space (A dead project i think) and maybe some others i don't know. Does BRP do a SF toolkit?

You mentioned Hero System in a thread with Darrin? You must be new here... LOL

I play Hero. Did some Star Hero last year.

I don't know the OP. he made a post, i replied to it in a polite and curious manner, the only person to reply at that point. If he's going to go off on me then i'll just say "meh, another asshole" and go on. I hope he doesn't as his post seemed reasonable and invited inquiries.

Quote from: The Thing on May 25, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
I'm interested in SFPRGs to, and if i may i'd like to ask what you think of this SF toolkit vs other SF toolkits if you're familiar with them.

Basically there's gurps space, starhero (Does anyone still play the hero system?) d6 space (A dead project i think) and maybe some others i don't know. Does BRP do a SF toolkit?

I'm familiar with 5th Edition Star Hero. But honestly? The Fate Space Toolkit provides only a bare skeleton to deal with the genre. And that skeleton isn't really that modular. As in, they only show one way to really approach it.

Instead of Star Hero's method of giving you an exhaustive set of elements to combine and approach in the way you want. It just isn't as useful. In my opinion.

BRP to my knowledge doesn't have a scifi toolkit.

Quote from: Aglondir on May 25, 2021, 06:49:55 PM

Quote from: The Thing on May 25, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
I'm interested in SFPRGs to, and if i may i'd like to ask what you think of this SF toolkit vs other SF toolkits if you're familiar with them.

Basically there's gurps space, starhero (Does anyone still play the hero system?) d6 space (A dead project i think) and maybe some others i don't know. Does BRP do a SF toolkit?

You mentioned Hero System in a thread with Darrin? You must be new here... LOL

I play Hero. Did some Star Hero last year.

I refuse to lick Steve Long's ass-crack. Like some other people here do. I don't consider him the "second coming". In fact, I believe his methodology has only brought the system and most of its connected properties to ruin. That he and his partners buying Hero Games foretold its agonizing death. Instead of actually putting up a fight to make the properties successful.

Quote from: The Thing on May 25, 2021, 07:44:28 PM
I don't know the OP. he made a post, i replied to it in a polite and curious manner, the only person to reply at that point. If he's going to go off on me then i'll just say "meh, another asshole" and go on. I hope he doesn't as his post seemed reasonable and invited inquiries.

I'm not going off on you. I'm giving you an honest opinion.

I hope to spare people from buying a bad unhelpful sourcebook. It's my only motivation.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on May 25, 2021, 07:51:47 PM
I refuse to lick Steve Long's ass-crack. Like some other people here do. I don't consider him the "second coming". In fact, I believe his methodology has only brought the system and most of its connected properties to ruin. That he and his partners buying Hero Games foretold its agonizing death. Instead of actually putting up a fight to make the properties successful.

There are Hero fans here? Who? I don't love it or hate it, I just play it. I'll never GM it, it's too complicated. 

Something about sci-fi makes me think percentile dice, probably due to Star Frontiers back in the old days. If you like BRP, I have heard good things about M-Space, which is sci-fi for Mythras.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/194064/Mspace

But I think next time I do sci-fi, it will be Stars Without Number.

You can find my percentile science fiction rpg Galaxies In Shadow here:

I also did a one business card summary of it http://www.uncouthsavage.com/uploads/1/3/3/2/133279619/gis_card.pdf

http://www.uncouthsavage.com/uploads/1/3/3/2/133279619/gisgrfx.pdf

There's no setting in the core but as it's a percentile game it would be easy to use some of it in BRP if that's your system of choice.

FrontierSpace is a % based sci-fi rpg that might be worth a look. https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/222633/FrontierSpace-Players-Handbook

I too was unimpressed with Fate Space Toolkit.

I'm reading Free Spacer right now, which may not quite qualify as toolkit, but does sell itself as a "sandbox star ship RPG."

The setting/system does have some pretty strong built in assumptions: such as your all indebted to a particular patron+faction for your free spacer kit and ship, and their are Anagathics that go so far as to give you a sort of reincarnation if your cocoon is recovered.

It does give you some good guidance on customizing/sandboxing your sector with factions and planets, and operating ships with varying purposes (Flags.) It has neat stuff customizing/modular/upgradable ships.

System is involves a kind of dice pool that I haven't really seen before. D10s success vs d6 threat dice - "successes" on each cancel each other out.  You can store "charge" in your ship or personal reactor from previous "excessive" successes that you can then spend on gaining more benefits from tools or ship systems.


Still working my way through it, but seems like something I'd enjoy running a long campaign with.

There are games like "Five Parsecs from Home" that can fill in the Sci-Fi urge while looking for like minded players.