Barbarella plus Heavy Metal? OMG how did I totally not know about this?! Sweet zombie jesus get me to the page, stat!

(I am so running a Star Children game out in this galaxy. Glam rock bards fighting the evil empire with sex, love, and rock 'n roll!)

Quote from: Simlasa;851785I think Trent is saying that horrible things in games are NOT the horrible things in real life.
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Exactly. Well said.

I don't believe that it's existence, or people playing it, constitutes actually performing the acts within (or influences people to perform said acts in real life).

I am arguing that censoring it or removing it for sale are knee-jerk reactions based on subjective bias.

I pointed out that the real-life issues surrounding the subject matter are more paramount than either the existence of media or anyone indulging in it.

I am not advocating to silence anyone's opinion about the game. If you think the game is stupid or horrible or whatever, that's cool.

I have introduced elements of body horror in my fantasy games where "alien" beings (abberants) were attempting to breed with humanity to rapidly increase their numbers (and invade). I am not personally advocating for the tentacle-alien breeders to actually invade our time-space and use us to rapidly produce an army. I also did not engage in detailed play-by-play descriptions. It did inspire a rapid and determined response from the characters however...

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851726You know what?  This may get me branded a "Social Justice Warrior," but so what.

Free speech be damned.  There comes a time when there really, truly is such a thing as "going too far."  And that's a fine example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtWrljX9HRA

Quote from: jeff37923;851795You make some good points here, but just like how I do not want my hobby defined by The Book of Erotic Fantasy, Choice and Blood, Poison'd, or Maid - I don't want my hobby defined by Tournament of Rapists.

The people who are going to look at some outlier and brand the entire hobby with it surely would LOVE for you to police yourself according to THEIR standards. How can you control what some outsider is going to think about your hobby and why would you care?
If anything the Satanic Panic was good for RPGs ("There's no such thing as bad publicity.")... but lately I think we've moved too far towards being polite and not wanting to offend, 'Here, have some more of your soft gray porridge.'

Quote from: jeff37923;851795You make some good points here, but just like how I do not want my hobby defined by The Book of Erotic Fantasy, Choice and Blood, Poison'd, or Maid - I don't want my hobby defined by Tournament of Rapists. It is not my style and I do not want people to not purchase the thing (people can buy what they want), but I also do not want it to be spotlighted when people talk about RPGs because it is very atypical of the hobby.

Here here. Boy, this site has changed.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851726You know what?  This may get me branded a "Social Justice Warrior," but so what.

Free speech be damned.  There comes a time when there really, truly is such a thing as "going too far."  And that's a fine example.

Free Speech doesn't/shouldn't protect people from criticism.  If you believe that this is going to far, the more power to you.

Quote from: jeff37923;851795You make some good points here, but just like how I do not want my hobby defined by The Book of Erotic Fantasy, Choice and Blood, Poison'd, or Maid - I don't want my hobby defined by Tournament of Rapists. It is not my style and I do not want people to not purchase the thing (people can buy what they want), but I also do not want it to be spotlighted when people talk about RPGs because it is very atypical of the hobby.

The problem is, it already is.  It doesn't matter how many nice things or Blue Rose like games there are out there, hell, there could a massive swath of Last Unicorn style games come out, the fact that all we need is ONE Jack Chick to latch on to anything and we're painted with the largest brush possible.

Personally, I've given up caring what others think of my hobby, if I refuse to hide what I enjoy AND I refuse to categorized by other small minded people who can't get their heads out of their asses.  As the Prisoner once said:  I AM NOT A NUMBER!

That said, this is intriguing, and if I had the money, I'd plunk it down to take a look.

Quote from: jeff37923;851795You make some good points here, but just like how I do not want my hobby defined by The Book of Erotic Fantasy, Choice and Blood, Poison'd, or Maid - I don't want my hobby defined by Tournament of Rapists. It is not my style and I do not want people to not purchase the thing (people can buy what they want), but I also do not want it to be spotlighted when people talk about RPGs because it is very atypical of the hobby.

Except it's not your hobby, is it? It's our hobby and just like literature and movies, you don't have to like the entirety of it.   And if some fuckwad wants to try and use the examples you provided as reasons the hobby is toxic or some other bull?

Move on because they clearly don't know what in the fuck they are talking about.

"Horrible things done to give a vile enemy to do" <> "Japanese fighting games where you watch cutscenes of the victor raping the loser are a thing"

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851840"Horrible things done to give a vile enemy to do" <> "Japanese fighting games where you watch cutscenes of the victor raping the loser are a thing"

They're still both IMAGINARY. No animals were hurt during the making of this film... no actual rapes happened.
As far as I no there's always been ersatz rape scenes in Hollywood/porn films as well.
None of it is my flavor of ice cream but I don't think watching it makes you do it any more than video games make people kill or listening to heavy metal makes you... whatever listening to heavy metal supposedly makes you do.

Quote from: Simlasa;851842They're still both IMAGINARY. No animals were hurt during the making of this film... no actual rapes happened.
As far as I no there's always been ersatz rape scenes in Hollywood/porn films as well.
None of it is my flavor of ice cream but I don't think watching it makes you do it any more than video games make people kill or listening to heavy metal makes you... whatever listening to heavy metal supposedly makes you do.

Heavy Metal, hell, Rock and Roll is supposed to make you violent.

Eh, every hobby has its fringe, and a defining attribute of the fringe is that the mainstream sails right past it. Pretty sure there are people who watch youtube everyday who have no idea what 2 girls, 1 cup is.

Outside of this kooky RPGs online world we live in, most people will roll their dice having no bloody clue these games exist.

Quote from: Simlasa;851819The people who are going to look at some outlier and brand the entire hobby with it surely would LOVE for you to police yourself according to THEIR standards. How can you control what some outsider is going to think about your hobby and why would you care?

Except that those outsiders are part of the larger group where we get new Players of this hobby from.

Games don't have to be wholesome predigested pap to play and simultaneously they do not have to wallow in prepubescent depravity to make good sales. There is a very large middle ground being excluded here.

Quote from: Simlasa;851819If anything the Satanic Panic was good for RPGs ("There's no such thing as bad publicity.")... but lately I think we've moved too far towards being polite and not wanting to offend, 'Here, have some more of your soft gray porridge.'

Having a sense of taste and discrimination means that someone is a milksop to you? Fuckin' A, and I thought that I went over the top sometimes.:rolleyes:

Quote from: Warboss Squee;851836Except it's not your hobby, is it? It's our hobby and just like literature and movies, you don't have to like the entirety of it.   And if some fuckwad wants to try and use the examples you provided as reasons the hobby is toxic or some other bull?

Move on because they clearly don't know what in the fuck they are talking about.

You are correct, it is not my hobby, I do not own or control it. However, I do have a voice in it and participate in the hobby, and will not shut up about it. So if you do not like what I am saying here, then put my ass on Ignore.

Quote from: jeff37923;851854Except that those outsiders are part of the larger group where we get new Players of this hobby from.

I'm not one of those who frets over the 'future of the hobby' or attracting new blood. I mean, it's nice when it happens but it's not some sacred trust. If kids would rather do something else I can't see sweating it. The non-players I've met who've expressed opinions don't avoid RPGs because they're violent or obscene... they avoid them because to them they sound silly and childish and dull.

QuoteGames don't have to be wholesome predigested pap to play and simultaneously they do not have to wallow in prepubescent depravity to make good sales.

I'd never suggest that... but I don't think creating stuff aimed at pleasing strangers before yourself ever yields good product.
Presentation and context are also important of course... one of the current popular series of family movies featured children murdering each other for sport. Watching Game of Thrones just now I saw incest, rape, infanticide, a man eaten by a rat and a nude pregnant woman give birth to a shadow demon... and that's a pretty mainstream show. Most fantasy RPGs I've played are tame in comparison.

QuoteHaving a sense of taste and discrimination means that someone is a milksop to you? Fuckin' A, and I thought that I went over the top sometimes.:rolleyes:

Was the Satanic Panic a reaction to a lack of taste and discrimination? Not sure where you're getting that. I'm not saying to set aside either... just that both are subjective qualities, personal measures. I don't want to play Maid or Rape Tournament but I'm not interested in shaming anyone who does... or keeping places from selling it.