The thread title is an actual quote from the promotional text for "Galaxy Command: Dirty Galaxy".

I just stumbled across it on DriveThruRPG and the preview is pretty wild, to say the least. At first glance, I'm thinking Book of Erotic Fantasy crossed with Book of Vile Darkness.

Anyone know anything more about this? Just curious. I don't see myself ever using it, honestly, but it's riding that line for me between 'me want' and 'fuck no.'

What if James Desborough hadn't become "Public Enemy #1" for the RPG wing of the Inquisition and he spent his time making inappropriate, satiric, politically charged and politically incorrect d20 products?

Then he might be Skortched 'Urf Studios.

Remember with the GamerGate Cardgame how DTRPGs excuse was that it wasn't an RPG but a card game, therefore yanking it wasn't the market leader engaging in gate-keeping censorship?

Well Skortched 'Urf just released a RPG supplement for their satirical Hentai RPG Black Tokyo.  It's name?  Tournament of Rapists.  (No the author didn't invent this trope.  Google "Battle Raper". Yes, Japanese fighting games where you watch cutscenes of the victor raping the loser are a thing). The "censor this or I walk" comments have started, but who knows if Evil Hat has seen this or not.
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Compared to Black Tokyo, Galactic Command and it's Barbarella/Heavy Metal supplement line Heavy Future are pretty tame.  There's a lot of chuckles in the product blurbs for the Galactic Command stuff.  An R version of Underground or Paranoia sounds like it might be an entertaining read.

Quote from: CRKrueger;851724Tournament of Rapists.  (No the author didn't invent this trope.  Google "Battle Raper". Yes, Japanese fighting games where you watch cutscenes of the victor raping the loser are a thing).

You know what?  This may get me branded a "Social Justice Warrior," but so what.

Free speech be damned.  There comes a time when there really, truly is such a thing as "going too far."  And that's a fine example.

CRKrueger, correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't that a bit of a thread hijack?

Quote from: Mark Plemmons;851718The thread title is an actual quote from the promotional text for "Galaxy Command: Dirty Galaxy".

I just stumbled across it on DriveThruRPG and the preview is pretty wild, to say the least. At first glance, I'm thinking Book of Erotic Fantasy crossed with Book of Vile Darkness.

Anyone know anything more about this? Just curious. I don't see myself ever using it, honestly, but it's riding that line for me between 'me want' and 'fuck no.'

Poser art, and d20 are two negatives for me.

Galaxy Command

70's pulp punk-plotation cheeky sexy Afros and boobies. Bad poser art. D20 OGL.

Look, it's someones fantasy and creative work. You may not approve of the subject matter but freedom and liberty allow for Afros and boobies too.

On the Hentai Satire/OBS Banning Shit;

With a devotion to Liberty and Freedom of Speech you get a double-edged sword. Some stuff will be created you appreciate, other stuff will be created you loathe. And the crux of it? Another person standing right next to you could feel the exact opposite about those works.

Fact is, they are satirizing an actual fetish. If you don't approve, don't buy it, don't read it, and don't advertise it. Telling someone they CAN'T do something because it goes against your beliefs or tolerances is pure censorship and oppression.

Worse, it's just a distraction. The same deflection of responsibility Rape Culture drones use to justify rape.

Just today I saw a story out of India where a council of elders (all male) sentenced two girls to be raped and paraded around town naked because their brother eloped with a married woman. It's 2015. We have real equality problems in the real world. I'm sure this council of elders never played a pulp-space Afro 70's boobie RPG.

Rape is a horrible disgusting evil thing. It also happens to be a REAL thing (problem). It still happens even in our "enlightened" societies. Avoiding the topic of rape because it's squicky is just as Polly-Anna as avoiding the topic of war, famine, genocide, domestic violence, child abuse and human trafficking. If you and your friends want to pretend to be ultimate fighter rapists in a world where tentacle-monsters vie for the hottest girls to impregnate - knock yourselves out. If you want to play Miami Vice and stop drug traffickers from selling underage girls to the highest bidder? Even better. If you just want to pretend to be an elf and help your friends kill orcs, loot their bodies and eat their pie? Awesome.

As long as you understand rape is vile, you do not rape someone regardless of your gaming or viewing preferences (or fetishes) and you treat people with dignity and respect - there's no reason you can't separate this fantasy with the same objectivity you do playing an Elf, Vampire, Serial Killer, Roman Soldier, Greek Space Alien, Mind Controlling Mutant Super Hero, or Anthropomorphic Post-Apocalyptic Wanderer.

This is just another fucking distraction from the real issue. It's not the woman's fault, or how she's dressed, or how naked/drunk/high she is. It's not about video games brainwashing you. It's not about {insert deflecting excuse here}...

It's about a choice. Being a fucking evil douchebag coward who has to victimize someone to feel powerful and sexually fulfilled OR being a stand-up human being who treats people with dignity and respect. The person makes that choice. PERIOD. So, regardless of the existence of rape, or games with rape, or movies with rape, or Mylar Balloons with Ultimate Fighting Rape Champions logos... there is NO excuse or justification for raping someone.

Personally I don't like it when people tell me what to do. It fucking infuriates me. Having a company tell me I can't buy a Hentai Satire Rape game is going to piss me off. Judge me? Fine. Fuck you. You're a hypocritical pissy-pants. Banning controversial material is a fucking cop-out. Have the goddamned courage to stand up for something real like equality instead of rage-burning shit across the InterTubes is actually DOING SOMETHING.

tl/dr: Banning shit is not going to prevent rape. NOT raping people will.

Quote from: Mark Plemmons;851718The thread title is an actual quote from the promotional text for "Galaxy Command: Dirty Galaxy".

I just stumbled across it on DriveThruRPG and the preview is pretty wild, to say the least. At first glance, I'm thinking Book of Erotic Fantasy crossed with Book of Vile Darkness.

Anyone know anything more about this? Just curious. I don't see myself ever using it, honestly, but it's riding that line for me between 'me want' and 'fuck no.'

Mark, I'm the author of both Dirty Galaxy and Tournament of Rapists (mentioned later in the thread). I figured I'd finally register here to talk about them a little.

Dirty Galaxy is disease and traps book for the Heavy Future Campaign Setting, which is a Pathfinder/D20 Modern based space opera setting. The whole point of the setting is to make a cheesy, retro-future setting based on everything that would of been shocking in 1985. You've got space swingers clubs, evil televangelists, space-Satanistis, all sorts of other off the wall crap.

It's heavily inspired by things like Heavy Metal, Barbarella and bad late 70s and early 80s sci-fi in general. The book itself is rude, nasty and crude but it's definitely not serious.

Tournament of Rapists, which is for my Black Tokyo Campaign Setting is a lot nastier. Intentionally so. This is a really, really adults only setting that deals with some nasty, unpleasant elements and has since the first book came out. Rape, misogyny, and the worst kinds slavery exist in the setting- mostly as evils for the players to fight.

Tournaments of Rapists was intended to expand on a villainous organization/plot-thread that's been out there since day one in the setting. The book's a really dark riff on fighting games like Mortal Kombat and Tekken, mixed with really nasty rape-fetish elements and gore. The intent was to create some really vile bad guys the players WANT to kick the living crap out of.

Open for other questions,
CHRIS

By the way, Mark, I gotta say I loved Corporia. It's one of the most attractive RPG book's I own.

I'm actually kinda liking the sound of this Heavy Future setting... maybe it's the call-outs to Heavy Metal and less serious Euro-scifi like Barbarella. Kind of what I wanted more of from Star Frontiers back when.
There was loads of beating up on rapey villains back then too.
Sounds like it might be a source of ideas for Machinations of the Space Princess.

Quote from: Chris A Field;851763The whole point of the setting is to make a cheesy, retro-future setting based on everything that would of been shocking in 1985.

Funny that a good bit of stuff that would NOT have been shocking in 1985 raises quite a ruckus now. The 80's feel wilder and weirder to me nowadays.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851726You know what?  This may get me branded a "Social Justice Warrior," but so what.

Free speech be damned.  There comes a time when there really, truly is such a thing as "going too far."  And that's a fine example.

You aren't being a SJW in this case.

This stuff ain't my cup of tea either.

Quote from: Chris A Field;851763Mark, I'm the author of both Dirty Galaxy and Tournament of Rapists (mentioned later in the thread). I figured I'd finally register here to talk about them a little.

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1. Welcome to theRPGsite!

2. You are a brave soul...  :-D

What niche do you feel you are representing?

Was any of this material inspired by real-life media (movies, anime, manga, porn, etc.)?

You know, "ignore this horrible thing because this other horrible thing is worse" is grade A bullshit.

Quote from: Chris A Field;851763Mark, I'm the author of both Dirty Galaxy and Tournament of Rapists (mentioned later in the thread). I figured I'd finally register here to talk about them a little.

Dirty Galaxy is disease and traps book for the Heavy Future Campaign Setting, which is a Pathfinder/D20 Modern based space opera setting. The whole point of the setting is to make a cheesy, retro-future setting based on everything that would of been shocking in 1985. You've got space swingers clubs, evil televangelists, space-Satanistis, all sorts of other off the wall crap.

It's heavily inspired by things like Heavy Metal, Barbarella and bad late 70s and early 80s sci-fi in general. The book itself is rude, nasty and crude but it's definitely not serious.

Tournament of Rapists, which is for my Black Tokyo Campaign Setting is a lot nastier. Intentionally so. This is a really, really adults only setting that deals with some nasty, unpleasant elements and has since the first book came out. Rape, misogyny, and the worst kinds slavery exist in the setting- mostly as evils for the players to fight.

Tournaments of Rapists was intended to expand on a villainous organization/plot-thread that's been out there since day one in the setting. The book's a really dark riff on fighting games like Mortal Kombat and Tekken, mixed with really nasty rape-fetish elements and gore. The intent was to create some really vile bad guys the players WANT to kick the living crap out of.

Open for other questions,
CHRIS

By the way, Mark, I gotta say I loved Corporia. It's one of the most attractive RPG book's I own.

Hey Chris, thanks for stopping by!

Based on your reply above, I bought the Dirty Galaxy PDF. It looks like it'll be an interesting read, and that's why I buy a lot of RPG books anyway, even if I don't plan on playing them.

I wasn't aware of Black Tokyo or ToR until it was mentioned above, but I'm looking forward to reading more in this thread. As trechriron said, you are a brave soul.

Quote from: Chris A Field;851763By the way, Mark, I gotta say I loved Corporia. It's one of the most attractive RPG book's I own.

Oh, and thanks for that!

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;851775You know, "ignore this horrible thing because this other horrible thing is worse" is grade A bullshit.

I think Trent is saying that horrible things in games are NOT the horrible things in real life.
Most any RPG I'm interested in has a lot of horrible things in it... horrible things depicted as horrible, to fight against... not engage in (though I've had PCs there were pimps and slavers and murders and greedy and cruel and...)
Isn't that one of the things that folks find annoying about the SJW crowd? They can't discern the difference? That an author who writes about rape must be endorsing rape, might be a rapist himself? That a game that features sex slavery must somehow be endorsing it in real life? If I play a womanizing character in a game I must actually want to be like that?
Plenty of people do roleplay rape fantasies as part of their sex life and for whatever reason it's never occured to me to think they're fans of actual real life rape.

Quote from: Simlasa;851785I think Trent is saying that horrible things in games are NOT the horrible things in real life.
Most any RPG I'm interested in has a lot of horrible things in it... horrible things depicted as horrible, to fight against... not engage in (though I've had PCs there were pimps and slavers and murders and greedy and cruel and...)
Isn't that one of the things that folks find annoying about the SJW crowd? They can't discern the difference? That an author who writes about rape must be endorsing rape, might be a rapist himself? That a game that features sex slavery must somehow be endorsing it in real life? If I play a womanizing character in a game I must actually want to be like that?
Plenty of people do roleplay rape fantasies as part of their sex life and for whatever reason it's never occured to me to think they're fans of actual real life rape.

You make some good points here, but just like how I do not want my hobby defined by The Book of Erotic Fantasy, Choice and Blood, Poison'd, or Maid - I don't want my hobby defined by Tournament of Rapists. It is not my style and I do not want people to not purchase the thing (people can buy what they want), but I also do not want it to be spotlighted when people talk about RPGs because it is very atypical of the hobby.