Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 03:15:08 PM
They're raped repeatedly, forced to give birth, flayed alive, and nailed to shields.

Apart from offscreen forced to give birth, I don't recall any of this in the Anime? Is it from the Manga? Or maybe referred to in dialogue?

Quote from: S'mon on January 17, 2022, 05:41:57 PM
Apart from offscreen forced to give birth, I don't recall any of this in the Anime? Is it from the Manga? Or maybe referred to in dialogue?

The anime tones down these elements a bit.  The light novels and mangas are a bit, but not tremendously, more graphic. 

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 03:15:08 PM
I disagree with the wokescolds as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to buy torture-porn to feel good about myself. When I see people get tortured in media, I feel sympathetic pain. Especially when they look they could be my son or daughter. So I don't watch that stuff.

Pissing christ! What a prude... Feel all the sympathy you want for a graphic novel - It doesn't give a shit, why, because it's not real. Surprise... surprise... no one is getting hurt.

Yeah, more accuracy again. 'Every' single person that buys horror films, and the like, just do it to feel good about themselves. And it's definitely not for 'escapist' entertainment.

Go back to TBH! They'd love your woke censor ass over there. 

Correction: I don't support censorship because it inevitably leads to totalitarian regimes. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to criticize, because that's free speech too. Free speech goes both ways.

Anyway. If that's your position on how GS handles rape, then on what grounds can you criticize how DC Comics raped Superman? How are these situations not equivalent?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 07:40:17 PM
Correction: I don't support censorship because it inevitably leads to totalitarian regimes. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to criticize, because that's free speech too. Free speech goes both ways.

Anyway. If that's your position on how GS handles rape, then on what grounds can you criticize how DC Comics raped Superman? How are these situations not equivalent?

You can criticize anything you want... That's never the problem. But when you put out bullshit 'false arguments' to defend a position that is not tenable, and then add underhand 'insinuations' like you know how other's think - you are as woke as fuck. Using the exact same tactics without logic, while using that childish emotional black male.
"Ooooh you must be twooly eeevil and support real rape."

Now, what the fuck are you talking about? But please go on and do tell me what 'my personal position on rape' is. And provide links. I'll wait...

More fucking whataboutism bullshit. What the fuck has superman got to do with anything?? I don't read that shit. Furthermore... I couldn't care less if superman was raped with an aircraft carrier with a nuclear submarine strapped to it. It's only a fucking comic!! NO ONE is actually raped or hurt.

It's only fiction.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 03:15:08 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 17, 2022, 01:56:24 PM
I've watched the anime and found that it was pretty enjoyable. In no way does the series or the movie glorify rape.

I might pick up the game for the setting background and to just provide support for something that pisses off the woke scolds.

Saw doesn't glorify torture either, but it's still torture-porn.

Like most media that depicts rape, GS depicts rape as voyeuristic torture-porn. The victims are voluptuous underage girls (the dialogue says they're 15) who are posed in a manner that shows off their assets. They're raped repeatedly, forced to give birth, flayed alive, and nailed to shields. To say it's repulsive is putting it mildly: This is torture-porn.

I disagree with the wokescolds as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to buy torture-porn to feel good about myself. When I see people get tortured in media, I feel sympathetic pain. Especially when they look they could be my son or daughter. So I don't watch that stuff.

I've never seen any of the SAW movies, they are not my thing, so I won't comment on them.

As far as how Goblin Slayer the anime depicts rape, there is nothing attractive or titillating about it. It is depicted as a horrible experience done to female adventurers by morally repulsive creatures, it helps to frame the goblins as evil monsters. Now if Goblin Slayer the RPG has rules for role-playing being raped by goblins at the game table, I'll set the book on fire and proclaim that it is not the kind of game that I want to represent my hobby. Unfortunately, the game book isn't out yet so all of this weeping and wailing from you is without context.

And buddy, if your son or daughter look like anime characters, then you've got more problems than a rape scene in a cartoon.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 17, 2022, 08:23:33 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 03:15:08 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 17, 2022, 01:56:24 PM
I've watched the anime and found that it was pretty enjoyable. In no way does the series or the movie glorify rape.

I might pick up the game for the setting background and to just provide support for something that pisses off the woke scolds.

Saw doesn't glorify torture either, but it's still torture-porn.

Like most media that depicts rape, GS depicts rape as voyeuristic torture-porn. The victims are voluptuous underage girls (the dialogue says they're 15) who are posed in a manner that shows off their assets. They're raped repeatedly, forced to give birth, flayed alive, and nailed to shields. To say it's repulsive is putting it mildly: This is torture-porn.

I disagree with the wokescolds as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to buy torture-porn to feel good about myself. When I see people get tortured in media, I feel sympathetic pain. Especially when they look they could be my son or daughter. So I don't watch that stuff.

I've never seen any of the SAW movies, they are not my thing, so I won't comment on them.

As far as how Goblin Slayer the anime depicts rape, there is nothing attractive or titillating about it. It is depicted as a horrible experience done to female adventurers by morally repulsive creatures, it helps to frame the goblins as evil monsters. Now if Goblin Slayer the RPG has rules for role-playing being raped by goblins at the game table, I'll set the book on fire and proclaim that it is not the kind of game that I want to represent my hobby. Unfortunately, the game book isn't out yet so all of this weeping and wailing from you is without context.

And buddy, if your son or daughter look like anime characters, then you've got more problems than a rape scene in a cartoon.

I Spit On Your Grave doesn't depict rape as sexy but that doesn't make it not voyeuristic and exploitative. The same applies to GS.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 10:30:04 PM
I Spit On Your Grave doesn't depict rape as sexy but that doesn't make it not voyeuristic and exploitative. The same applies to GS.

Goblin Slayer episode 1, since AFAICT that's the only time anyone gets raped on-screen.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 10:30:04 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 17, 2022, 08:23:33 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 03:15:08 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 17, 2022, 01:56:24 PM
I've watched the anime and found that it was pretty enjoyable. In no way does the series or the movie glorify rape.

I might pick up the game for the setting background and to just provide support for something that pisses off the woke scolds.

Saw doesn't glorify torture either, but it's still torture-porn.

Like most media that depicts rape, GS depicts rape as voyeuristic torture-porn. The victims are voluptuous underage girls (the dialogue says they're 15) who are posed in a manner that shows off their assets. They're raped repeatedly, forced to give birth, flayed alive, and nailed to shields. To say it's repulsive is putting it mildly: This is torture-porn.

I disagree with the wokescolds as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to buy torture-porn to feel good about myself. When I see people get tortured in media, I feel sympathetic pain. Especially when they look they could be my son or daughter. So I don't watch that stuff.

I've never seen any of the SAW movies, they are not my thing, so I won't comment on them.

As far as how Goblin Slayer the anime depicts rape, there is nothing attractive or titillating about it. It is depicted as a horrible experience done to female adventurers by morally repulsive creatures, it helps to frame the goblins as evil monsters. Now if Goblin Slayer the RPG has rules for role-playing being raped by goblins at the game table, I'll set the book on fire and proclaim that it is not the kind of game that I want to represent my hobby. Unfortunately, the game book isn't out yet so all of this weeping and wailing from you is without context.

And buddy, if your son or daughter look like anime characters, then you've got more problems than a rape scene in a cartoon.

I Spit On Your Grave doesn't depict rape as sexy but that doesn't make it not voyeuristic and exploitative. The same applies to GS.

I've never seen I Spit On Your Grave, not my thing. When it comes to horror movies for me, I'm more into those that scare then those that shock or cause revulsion. I'm a big Alfred Hitchcock fan.

Quote from: S'mon on January 18, 2022, 12:58:40 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 17, 2022, 10:30:04 PM
I Spit On Your Grave doesn't depict rape as sexy but that doesn't make it not voyeuristic and exploitative. The same applies to GS.

Goblin Slayer episode 1, since AFAICT that's the only time anyone gets raped on-screen.

Pretty much. Though, there may have been another episode where it came up later in the season, but it's been a while since I saw it and my memory is crap, so I can't recall the details. But at least like 90%+ of the anime is rape-free, and mostly about D&D-ish comedic action adventure, and the prevalence of this rape stuff within it has been highly exaggerated by "critics" (i.e. pearl-clutchers and wokescolds).

Quote from: VisionStorm on January 18, 2022, 06:36:05 AM
highly exaggerated by "critics" (i.e. pearl-clutchers and wokescolds).

It's always the way... Tipper Gore syndrome or Mary Whitehouse if you're in the UK.

Same as the wokies: We know what is best for you, and you must all be treated as children because you can't think for yourselves.

Goblin Slayer uses rape a shock factor to attract attention to its rather mundane and un - noteworthy first episode.
Its most certainly exploitative and shlocky trash.

Not worthy of censorship but its a garbage show. I have said that before. And if we want to discuss it further, take it to media.

I kinda like the aspect of Goblin Slayer where its like... little problems that get ignored by "important" or "powerful" people can grow and become a huge problem, so even small problems like goblins should not be ignored or thought of as not important enough to deal with.  I have softened a bit on the "goblins are always evil" to a more flexible stance where "goblins can fit what you want in your setting", so yes goblins can be intelligent and have culture if you want in your setting, or they can be savage unintelligent and pure evil, even as young babies, if you want for your setting.  I still lean more towards "goblins are always evil" though, and get bored with people who argue for "goblins are always a mixed bag" because I still feel like if you wanted a culture-conflict you could use a PC race instead of a Monster race to make that conflict.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on January 18, 2022, 06:48:06 AM

Quote from: VisionStorm on January 18, 2022, 06:36:05 AM
highly exaggerated by "critics" (i.e. pearl-clutchers and wokescolds).

It's always the way... Tipper Gore syndrome or Mary Whitehouse if you're in the UK.

Same as the wokies: We know what is best for you, and you must all be treated as children because you can't think for yourselves.

Greetings!

*Laughing* So true, my friend! All of these do-gooders think they can think for you in every way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: VisionStorm on January 18, 2022, 06:36:05 AM
... But at least like 90%+ of the anime is rape-free, and mostly about D&D-ish comedic action adventure, and the prevalence of this rape stuff within it has been highly exaggerated by "critics" (i.e. pearl-clutchers and wokescolds).

I'm mildly surprised all this is all still being ragged on (but I probably shouldn't be...) - as shown earlier in the thread: Goblin Slayer (anime and magna) has empirically less rape and nudity than the Game of Thrones Tv series, and books...

The Game of Thrones RPG's were released with zero controversy.

The pearl-clutchers and wokescolds just have a very visceral level of hate for the Goblin Slayer IP...