Ok, is there anything(s) a player could do that, as a GM, you would jsut stand up and say "GET OUT OF MY GAME!!!" to him?
Seriously, I've ran into some issues, and I can see some issues, that would make me just instantly tell someone to get the fuck out of my game and stay out, and one reason is bacause I've seen games ruined by them and the people who do them.
Here are just some things that would make me eject a player or potential player at once:
If the guy wants to play a nazi, get the fuck away from me. Now I might let someone play, say a former nazi, maybe someone who grew up under nazi indoctrination somewhere but was rejecting nazi values, that kind of character I'd at least give a chance to.
If a player decides to rape and murder a female NPC in detail for whatever reason. I've seen this done by players who justified it under a variety of means, but the players were universally sick fucks who I would not want in my game.
If a player decided to dominate the game and make all other PCs subject to his domination. Actually in a good game group I wouldn't have to boot the player, the other players would rip him and his character sheet to shreds. If the other players were actually letting him control them, I'd "withdraw in disgust" from the game.
What would make you toss a player? And please, let's take extremely bad hygeine as a given, no need to turn this into a "I hate catpissman" thread like those that are so prolific on rpg-fucking-net
Pretty much the same stuff that would make me say "Get out of my cocktail party." Player-to-player social-level stuff.
Someone wants to play a Nazi? Coooool. That'll be ugly and conflict-laden, and that's a good thing for games that profit by addressing conflicts.
The graphic rape? How does that even happen? Someone else says "Okay, and we fade to black," and either it ends or else the guy's ignoring clear-cut social cues to talk about taboo topics. See "Get out of my cocktail party," above :D
Trying to dominate the other PCs? See "conflict laden fun," above.
Anybody mentions the term "Conflict resolution" and I kick em right the fuck out.
There's very little in character stuff that would make me kick someone out. Only the ones that would also generate out of character problems will do it: unwarranted PvP, rampant theft from other party members, etc. Of course, if the game is designed to work that way (Paranoia for instance) then the kid gloves come off.
Consistently arguing over and harping on triviliaties - that is, holding up the game in a deliberate and annoying way.
Aside from that, someone being very personally offensive, whether simply insulting and nasty, or racist, etc. But as far as I can remember, that's never happened. Anyone that bad, it showed before the first session.
Quote from: James McMurrayThere's very little in character stuff that would make me kick someone out. Only the ones that would also generate out of character problems will do it: unwarranted PvP, rampant theft from other party members, etc. Of course, if the game is designed to work that way (Paranoia for instance) then the kid gloves come off.
Theoretically, what happens in the game should stay in the game. But "in character" shenanigans is often just an excuse for someone to be a fuck-knuckle. "Oh, it's not
me being a pain in the arse, it's my
character". My tolerance for that sort of crap is pretty low. Even before it starts to generate out of character problems, my arsehole senses start to tingle. I've never kicked someone out for that sort of behaviour, but I have terminated games. 'Cos really, I don't like to play with fuck-knuckles. Yeah, call me crazy :)
I've never actually kicked anyone out for any kind of behavior either. The social sphincter that forms around that kind of crap always does plenty of pushing.
That's true, about "but it's just my character!"
Also, between "I kick them out NOW" and "I'll game with them forever" is a whole range of thoughts and feelings...
For example, there could be
- someone you're happy to play game X with, but not game Y
- someone who you enjoy as a GM, but not a player, or vice versa
- someone who's good when they're with player A, but terrible when not, or vice versa
- someone you're willing to finish the current campaign with, but not game again
and so on.
Quote from: James McMurrayI've never actually kicked anyone out for any kind of behavior either. The social sphincter that forms around that kind of crap always does plenty of pushing.
That's a beautiful analogy, man. And I say that as a guy very fond of analogies. Fucking
beautiful!
Thanks. It's my one cool phrase per month, so I'm glad someone noticed it. :)
I kicked myself out of a game once. Does that count?
The primary GM was outright cheating in a multi-GM online arena. All GMs had characters, which worked fine because of the multi-GM format (I was a GM too). At one point out of curiosity for the character's unbeaten record I checked out the primary GM's main character. It was riddled with mistakes, rules gaffs, and outright insanity. When I mentioned it to him he said "the other GMs should have caught it" and refused to change anything.
It wasn't the only thing that went wrong in that game, but it was definitely the push that started my ball rolling out the door.
Quote from: Tyberious FunkTheoretically, what happens in the game should stay in the game. But "in character" shenanigans is often just an excuse for someone to be a fuck-knuckle. "Oh, it’s not me being a pain in the arse, it’s my character". My tolerance for that sort of crap is pretty low. Even before it starts to generate out of character problems, my arsehole senses start to tingle. I've never kicked someone out for that sort of behaviour, but I have terminated games. 'Cos really, I don't like to play with fuck-knuckles. Yeah, call me crazy :)
He heh, "Fuck knuckles". heh heh. Never heard that one before. May i assume it's a contraction of "Fucking knuckle walkers/draggers"?
Good one, whatever it is..
Oh, btw, you're crazy. ;)
I assume it has to do with jerk-offs. The guys that fuck their knuckles.
Quote from: James McMurrayI assume it has to do with jerk-offs. The guys that fuck their knuckles.
Ahh, good one. Altho "knucklefuckers" might be better for that particular image...
But Nox – it's a good old Anglo-Saxon formation! Cf. cutpurse, pickpocket etc.
Are you saying the grand linguistic tradition of English isn't good enough for you?
It'd only be for OOC stuff or for being a totally disruptive stupid cunt in character, and even then, we usually just kill their characters and get on with it. PvP weeds out shitbricks right good.
Quote from: Dominus NoxIf a player decides to rape and murder a female NPC in detail for whatever reason. I've seen this done by players who justified it under a variety of means, but the players were universally sick fucks who I would not want in my game.
Quote from: TonyLBPretty much the same stuff that would make me say "Get out of my cocktail party." Player-to-player social-level stuff.
The first two posts covered the reasons I would have mentioned. Rule number one is: don't be a dick. Playing Rongor the Raving Rapist automatically places you in that category. Playing Rongor authentically isn't good roleplaying either, just the same dickery given a shiny new coating of paint.
Fortunately, I have generally been blessed by good players, so booting people hasn't been an issue since I was cca. fifteen.
Being a genuine shithead by being a dick to the group or any of the players, ie ruining their fun, does it for me. I'll either un-invite them or leave that game myself.
If basic Manners (sharing, curteousy) are missing, in or out of character, they might get a good talking to, and taken to extremes they'll get the boot as well.
Ironically, I'm on the same page with Tony. If somebody is deliberately violating the established group boundaries where certain subject matter is concerned or, alternately, where game focus is concerned -- they may get the boot (it depends on the seriousness of a violation). For example:
Giving your character a "joke" name (e.g., Nuckinfutz) in a game that all participants have agreed will be serious beforehand usually merits a warning and an order to step back in line (i.e., change the offending name to represent the agreed upon game tenets).
Attempting to rape the dead body of a fallen party member gets you kicked out. I've long since learned that people who propose such actions are beyond redemption and I'm in this thing to play games, not teach a full-blown course in basic human deceny to people who have none.
Playing the 'lone wolf'. I got pretty tired of this as a teenager.
You're in a party, working together towards a common goal. Save the world, deliver the goods, get revenge, make brekafast whatever. You're all in this together. Sure, you may have ulterior personal motives, or secrets. But someone playing a loaner who 'doesn't play well with others' just causes to bog the game down. If you're going to go out of your way to create conflict in the game, then just leave.
Edit: Just remembered something that almost made me kick someone out. Playing Deadlands-Weird West. The group is in a town somewhere in the North. They'd just broken one of their members out of jail, so that member doesn't have any of his gear. Two Wendigos have suddenly burst through the log-wall around the town. The PCs high-tail it towards the other side of town, planning on escaping out the gate there. More Wendigos are coming, and one is chasing after them.
The PC that was just broken out of jail turns around, saying he's heading back to et his pistol. One of the other PC's tells him he can have one of theirs, becuase they don't have time. He says no, saying he wants his own pistol. Now this wasn't any special pistol. He didn't pay any points for Belongin's, or say it was given to him by his father or anything. Just run of the mill Colt Army Pistol. The same kind the other C was trying to give him. I, being the GM, tell him myself there is no point, the town is being overrun, he wouldn't make it. He still tells me he wants to. I finally just saiid "No. This is stupid, it's just a fucking gun. We're moving on."
If he'd pressed it, I would've told him to leave, because he was already disrupting the ambience I had built up to that point, as well as disrupting the game itself. But that shut him up.
I have never had to boot anyone from a game, but If you bring asshattery to the table your character will probably die a gruesome death at the hands of another PC and you will not be asked back.