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Genocide

Started by RPGPundit, December 29, 2015, 10:49:39 PM

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Skarg

Nope, they haven't tried. Closest to that that I remember was "having it in for" certain groups, such as a crime gang, or the Good Samaritan's club, but that only really extended to going after the ones they met, not hunting them down.

tenbones

Well not an entire species - but they did manage to set off a volcanic explosion that killed off 1.5-million drow (and half of a dwarven city - about thirty-thousand or so there).

They also accidentally helped an NPC created a fungal necrotic disease that affected only drow... and let it loose. The bodycount definitely counted as genocide. On the plus side they did get an antidote and saved five-hundred from one house. It would have been a thousand, but one of the PC's dropped half of the antidote on the ground.

Yeah.

Did I mention the players are not well liked by the Drow?

Xavier Onassiss

Sadly, not yet.

My "allies" won't let me finish off those damned Flumphs!

TristramEvans

The concept is anachronistic to a pseudo-medieval mindset. It would be absurd for a group of 3-6 adventurers to pull off anyways, even with individual armies of hirelings, unless the species was somehow already veryvery endangered.

Spinachcat

I was talking to friend about this and he just finished playing in a campaign where the PCs were on a quest to slay every dragon in the world. The conceit is they belonged to a dragon slaying order with many members across the globe and the necessity was prophesied return of a Dragon goddess who would be empowering her children to eat everyone.

The campaign ended in a TPK of the PCs and most of their order. Oops. So I guess a genocide is coming for the two legged meat snacks instead!

crkrueger

Hmm, Genocide.  That's a weird topic, would hardly ever come up.  I suppose in a Fantasy campaign there could always be 'The Last Whatever" that if you kill it, you've essentially wiped out a species.  In Sci-Fi it would be a lot more prevalent in settings where you can destroy planets and have available killer viruses, etc.

Players in my Shadowrun campaign were heavily invested in destroying all Insect Spirits and Horrors, but they are invaders from other dimensions, so Genocide isn't really possible. Ditto trying to get rid of the Xiticix in Rifts, Genestealers in 40k or Daemons, Demons, Devils or Demodands in AD&D.

I guess "Kill all X on sight" could be called genocidal, but if it's a personal motivation (like vengeance) and not a systematic plan, not sure if it qualifies.

So, basically, no.
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ZWEIHÄNDER

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Quote from: TristramEvans;872102The concept is anachronistic to a pseudo-medieval mindset.

Ever heard of St. Brice's Day Massacre? It was engineered to completely eradicate the Danes from England. The destruction of Carthage was considered to be the first genocide in history.

In fact, the concept of genocide is far more prevalent in times of Antiquity than people may realize. Check out the Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies; it's on Amazon.
No thanks.

TristramEvans

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;872319Ever heard of St. Brice's Day Massacre? It was engineered to completely eradicate the Danes from England. The destruction of Carthage was considered to be the first genocide in history.

In fact, the concept of genocide is far more prevalent in times of Antiquity than people may realize. Check out the Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies; it's on Amazon.

I guess I'm using "genocide" with the meaning "deliberately make the species completely extinct", rather than the more general "any mass violence specifically targeting a racial/religious group".

Kyle Aaron

I had a party who accidentally set fire to a city and killed a few thousand people once, does that count?

There were a couple of Conan stories where he killed the last member of some ancient reptilian race. I always wondered, if there's just one left and you kill him, does that count as genocide?
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Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;872319Ever heard of St. Brice's Day Massacre? It was engineered to completely eradicate the Danes from England. The destruction of Carthage was considered to be the first genocide in history.

In fact, the concept of genocide is far more prevalent in times of Antiquity than people may realize. Check out the Oxford Handbook of Genocide Studies; it's on Amazon.
I think that a lot of people are badly confused as to the definition of "genocide."
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In a 20-minutes-into-the-future Cybernetic Federal Marshal's game I ran a few years ago, the PC's discovered pig farm that had been taken over by genetically modified intelligent pigs who were using the remaining humans to breed a pig-flu that would kill off enough people for them to take over.

It wasn't more than a few dozen pigs, but I had half expected that they might want to spare some of them for scientific research or to prove that humanity was better than the pigs thought (the pigs assessed that if they were discovered, they'd be promptly annihilated).

Nope.

Bacon all the way around, without even slowing down to discuss.

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AsenRG

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Quote from: TristramEvans;872328I guess I'm using "genocide" with the meaning "deliberately make the species completely extinct", rather than the more general "any mass violence specifically targeting a racial/religious group".
Your definition isn't what "genocide" means, since by it, nobody has ever committed genocide successfully. Or you'd have never been able to write this post:).

Quote from: Ravenswing;872349I think that a lot of people are badly confused as to the definition of "genocide."
Indeed;).

Also, I think I managed to find the Last Elf and assassinate him. It was like 300 years after the war of the Elves against the Sapient Races, but so what?
The bounty was still good, maybe because he was something like a necromancer that would have needed killing anyway:D.
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TristramEvans

Quote from: AsenRG;872724Your definition isn't what "genocide" means, since by it, nobody has ever committed genocide successfully.

What a bizarre line of logic.

AsenRG

Quote from: TristramEvans;872729What a bizarre line of logic.
It's a basic logical approach that you're probably familiar with to explore the implications of what is written.

And you wrote "the whole specie". Exterminating the whole specie of humans on Earth would mean exterminating every single living person, including whoever is doing the killing.
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Bedrockbrendan

I think you guys are confusing two things. The term genocide is new. But that doesn't mean it doesn't point to a pre-existing phenomena that extends back into history. People in the past may have not consciously thought of themselves as committing genocide, but they still could have been doing so. What historical events qualify is a matter of debate though.