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Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AMIf I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

Werewolf does suck in that its an eco-terrorist Progtard's wet dream. I liked Mage, but The Traditions are just 100% wrong. I'm not saying The Technocracy are right, but FFS, the neurotic, bong juice swilling, crystal-waving hippie sexual deviant asswipes in the Traditions are just so fucking stupid. That and you had morons claiming Nikola Tesla (who is really The Godfather of the 20th Century) was an Aetherite.

The only time the damn game made ANY sense was when they declared 'The Technocracy won'. The Ascension War was stupid and bringing it back into play did nothing but make the game developers look like Neo-Luddites.

Mage is fundamentally Woke (Mages are even called The Awakened), which is to say Gnostic, with the underlying concept that if you believe something enough then it is true. It's literally trans-ideology before it got mainstreamed.

Similarly, it is the Sleepers' collective beliefs that most stand in the way of your beliefs becoming truly real. For the woke it is the oppressors (i.e. anyone who doesn't believe in their mental illness) who are preventing utopia (and for the Gnostic it is the masses ensnared by the Demiurge's lies that keep the enlightened from achieving their godhood).

Woke, Gnosticism, and Mage all feed from the same original lie... "You can be God."

The World of Darkness in general also suffers from the problem of having existed long enough for its rebel ideologies to become the establishment, but are unable to let go of the Revolution to see they've actually become the bad guys. The Leftwing nuttery that in the 90's focused on "tolerance and freedom from the establishment" has now reached the point where it now requires intolerance of other ideas and tyranny by the establishment to maintain.

But they won't let the natural rebels actually rebel against the real modern establishment, instead they must rebel even further into Leftist nuttery and maintain the fiction that it is still the 90's establishment and it's ideals who are in charge (ex. Vampire 5e has introduced the 2nd Inquisition backed by Religious and Rightwing elements because they can't have the Totalitarian Left as the villains).

And so they flounder because the underlying structure of their setting has no truth to it anymore. It's collapsed into the same late-stage Marxist hell that every institution which embraces it does. It can't understand that anti-establishment rebellion is now rebellion against them.

But yes, Werewolf should die first because without it's stupid we'd never have gotten to Mage and the other bad ideas (for context, prior to WtA the WoD setting was reasonably coherent and had an objective reality, the Lupines were savage beasts in the wilds akin to folklore, what became Mages were practitioners of various numina; magic paths, psychics, true faith; ghosts, fae, and demons were mysterious otherworldly entities... in contrast to defined playable factions with their own New Age/Gnosticism to push).

Before y'all start shitting on #Reddit you might want to read if not participate in the actual, you know, discussion there which pushes back against this insanity. I guarantee you the lack of validation is why they deleted their post. Meanwhile they have no issue leaving responses like this up on a post in r/rapefantasies so extreme the mods removed it.

This is easily the most hypocritical example of virtue signaling I've ever encountered. It's actually awe inspiring.

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AMIf I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf.

Too late, they already did.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 27, 2024, 08:01:01 AMThe only time the damn game made ANY sense was when they declared 'The Technocracy won'.

They only did that once they shifted their own ideology to authoritarianism.

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 27, 2024, 09:21:58 AMMage is fundamentally Woke (Mages are even called The Awakened),

Pointing that out is what led to my permaban on #RPGNet.

And throughout it all we see the same breathtaking hypocrisy which demands such a profound level of doublethink that I'm all but terrified anyone is capable of it.

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Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 23, 2024, 08:10:19 AMBruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Didn't the Mario games already sanitize the Tanuki?

Nobody wants to see those balls...

Pom Poko is the movie that proves you wrong.

Hehe, you have a point.

I don't want OWoD to ever take on Japanese or even any East or Southeast Asian mythology in their games. The Filipinos have dealt with enough bullshit already!

I think the only way to make the idea that 'everyone is god and they just don't know it, knowing it gives you powers' salvageable for a story or game is to make it so that bad people can realize this. Especially bad delusional people. Imagine if Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot had the powers of a Mage.

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 28, 2024, 05:31:24 PMHehe, you have a point.

I don't want OWoD to ever take on Japanese or even any East or Southeast Asian mythology in their games. The Filipinos have dealt with enough bullshit already!

Too late. They already did. Kindred of the East and a full on campaign set in modern Asia with some bits lifted from my own RPG because they are hacks.