Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 16, 2022, 10:39:31 AM

Your words are like poetry. I have never heard such beautiful language and there should be classes that teach the perfectly rhythmic construction that is your art.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 16, 2022, 10:39:31 AM

Your words are like poetry. I have never heard such beautiful language and there should be classes that teach the perfectly rhythmic construction that is your art.

I think you forgot "not" a few times again. 

Quote from: S'mon on August 13, 2022, 02:02:04 AM
Just checked ENW - I could not find a thread about this, though there is one about number of visitors at Gencon, whereas sexual harrassment that fits The Narrative, like Bill Webb's behaviour, always gets tons of attention. ...

They have one now, days after the fact. With a bunch of dummies wondering why it hasn't exploded into a mega-thread the way this kind of thing normally does over there.

An Idiot in the thread answered his own question without realizing it:

Quote from:  The Idiot"This one hits really close to home for me because the perpetrator, Daisy Grant, is a trans woman, and has committed these actions at a time when political and media institutions are desperate to paint all trans people in general, and all trans women in specific, as sexual predators. And... nobody's talking about it. Despite it happening at one the biggest events in our hobby, featuring folks associated with one of the largest third party publishers for D&D right now. It's almost eerie, considering how these types of incidents almost always spark Discourse™ in a major way whenever they happen. And I'm flabbergasted as what to make of it."

Apparently the cognitive dissonance bell had been rung quite hard this time...

Nobody's talking about it because no one wants to be seen to speak out about someone that was very explicitly "one of them", and run the risk of going against "The Narrative".

Kind of like how Marion Zimmer Bradley has been largely memory-holed by leftist fantasy fans that used to love her 'trailblazing' feminist works...

What they choose Not to talk about is every bit an important part of the Narrative toolbox as what they choose to overtly censor.

So the same event where a game about thirsty lesbians ran off with Product of the Year, an actual thirsty lesbian ran around committing sexual assault. I don't think #GenCon could have come up with a worse look if they tried.

First things first, I do not hold them accountable for the room assignments, as there was no previous indication it would be an issue, and the victim (little_red_dot) trusted the assailant (AWiseArtist) enough to accept it.

What I do hold them accountable for is not having a spare hotel room available for situations like this after all their talk of providing safe spaces. I do hold them accountable for allowing the assailant to not just attend the rest of the con, but continue operating as part of their stream team, forcing the victim to work around that. I do hold them accountable for allowing the assailant to attend a #GenCon staff afterparty where at least two additional assaults (Superdillin, RekItRaven) took place.

Quote from: DocJones on August 13, 2022, 11:06:49 AM
That flies in the face of how GenCon treats accusations of misconduct against straight white men, in which GenCon immediately escorts them out of the convention and releases public statements deploring their behavior.

Depends on when those accusations were made, as even Jeremy Hambly and Matt Loter were able to attend the con in full and banned after the fact.

Quote from: Zalman on August 12, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
It's not about the abuser in this case being "man" or "woman", IMO, it's more about them being "trans", because if you start with the assumption that men and women can act the very same way and do the very same things regardless of gender, then the only point in being "trans" is a sexual one. Wanting to be "treated like a woman" has only a sexual context, if we espouse the belief that all genders should be treated the same way in every other aspect. In that respect, being "trans" is demanding that your sexual proclivities be entertained by the public at large.

So the question I think, and the feeling about GenCon "putting men and women in the same room", is more about GenCon deciding to have people who are already making public sexual demands of others (i.e. demanding to be called "woman") bunking together with those that would rather not be a part of their sexual proclivities.

And this is where things get complicated.

I have no doubt the assailant's trans status provides a level of protection against accusations. Hell there are sites where I literally cannot post about this because of that. And I have no doubt their transition is driven at least in part by sexual fetish. None. But not all transfolk are like this, the majority realize there's a difference between men and women that goes beyond mere sexuality, and none are more likely to commit sexual assault than anyone else.

This issue needs to be approached with a level of nuance no one seems willing to, and abusers will always take advantage of marginalized identities to cause harm.

Quote from: Koltar on August 13, 2022, 09:36:26 PM
Does the incident or event impact or affect the average gamer at Gen Con ?
At Gen con next year?
Or does it impact any average gamer anywhere?

Not really?

But that can be said of most crime, and if nothing is done it could get to the point that it does.

 Gen con not at fault IMO, however no intent to victim blame here, but the pady deciding to room with a person who clearly demonstrates mental illness was not great discretion.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on August 20, 2022, 10:34:34 AM
So the same event where a game about thirsty lesbians ran off with Product of the Year, an actual thirsty lesbian ran around committing sexual assault. I don't think #GenCon could have come up with a worse look if they tried.

She could have used a sword?

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on August 20, 2022, 10:34:34 AM
I have no doubt the assailant's trans status provides a level of protection against accusations. Hell there are sites where I literally cannot post about this because of that. And I have no doubt their transition is driven at least in part by sexual fetish. None. But not all transfolk are like this, the majority realize there's a difference between men and women that goes beyond mere sexuality, and none are more likely to commit sexual assault than anyone else.

This issue needs to be approached with a level of nuance no one seems willing to, and abusers will always take advantage of marginalized identities to cause harm.

Fair points. Still, I can't shake the feeling that the sexual fetish aspect is something GenCon (in particular) might want to take into account when evaluating gender-based room assignments. Of course, there's lots more they could consider but probably won't: most men aren't abusers either, but they still separate men from women. Is their separation policy really intended to be gender-based, or rather based on biological sex? If it is gender-based, are trans-women and cis-women really the same gender?

Quote from: SHARK on August 13, 2022, 08:56:28 PM
Well, anyone that believes that the abuser is a "woman" must be an absolutely delusional moron. The abuser is a *man* that was wearing a dress and a fucking wig.

Geesus. It is so sad and pathetic that our society has become so mentally infantile and delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This is it right here and really there need be no more discussion.  They thought it would be fine to put a mentally ill man with a proclivity for getting wasted and doing stupid stuff in a room with a woman with whom he was already well-acquainted.  I'm guessing Gen Con hasn't checked the date rape statistics lately.  It is utterly insane the mental gymnastics people are going through.  Man, woman, alcohol, bad behavior.  Just call it what it is.

I'm not denying the existence of trans people out there, though I promise I'll never get it.  But in this case it's just a dude riding the wave of the latest "cool" and he acted out.  It makes me want to scream. 

The fact that the trans community is about 99% men pretending to be women (yes, I made up that statistic, see Mark Twain) should raise eyebrows.  They are weak men looking for a simpler way in life and deciding they're women and we all have to be nice to them now.  F*** that.  Hold him accountable like you would anyone else, Gen Con.  And admit your own culpability in the process.

Here's me not holding my breath.

I don't see it mentioned here, but I saw on ENWorld that Kobold Press terminated their relationships with Daisy Grant. Here's the quote:

Quote from: Kobold PressUpon the conclusion of our investigation, we terminated all relationships with Daisy Grant effective immediately. Her behavior at Gen Con was unacceptable and we cannot support or condone what she did. Our thoughts are with the people she hurt. As a company, we are revisiting a convention code of conduct for all our staff and affiliates. Due to the sensitive nature of the situation, and in respect for those who are hurting, we will not be going into further detail.

Source: https://www.enworld.org/threads/gen-con-daisy-sleeping-in-the-lobby-and-all-that.690704/

As for Gen Con management, my understanding is that the two were voluntarily rooming together. So I don't see that they had cause to act in advance. After it happened, they should investigate and get statements from both sides and supporting statements.

Quote from: Brooding Paladin on August 20, 2022, 05:12:46 PM
The fact that the trans community is about 99% men pretending to be women (yes, I made up that statistic, see Mark Twain) should raise eyebrows.  They are weak men looking for a simpler way in life and deciding they're women and we all have to be nice to them now.  F*** that.  Hold him accountable like you would anyone else, Gen Con.  And admit your own culpability in the process.

The majority of the transgender people I know today were assigned female at birth. From current survey of the U.S., what I see is roughly equal numbers.

QuoteOf the 1.3 million adults who identify as transgender, 38.5% (515,200) are transgender women, 35.9% (480,000) are transgender men, and 25.6% (341,800) reported they are gender nonconforming.

Source: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

I understand that worldwide transgender women are significantly more common, but that's not what's relevant for Gen Con. Obviously, regardless of whatever gender they are, whoever is accused of sexual assault should be investigated and punished if found guilty.

Fair enough.  I withdraw my admittedly ridiculous made up percentage since you spent the energy to prove it was made up. 

I still mean the rest of it.   

And thanks for the update from KP.  Glad to see them bringing the accountability.

The FtMs seem to be causing much less trouble than the MtFs, which is probably skewing perception of their numbers.  A woman in pants with short hair is not particularly noteworthy or uncommon, so a FtM walking down the street is likely to be overlooked regardless of whether the viewer thinks she's a man or a woman.  A man in a wig and a skirt, on the other hand, is extremely noticeable unless he's doing a great job of looking like a woman, and most MtFs are not doing great jobs of looking like women.  Especially since many of them seem to have the fashion sense of a circus clown and roll out of the house in some garish neon-colored eye-searing abomination.

All that said, I don't personally care if a guy wants to go out looking like a clown stripper.  As a grown adult that's their every right to do, and they shouldn't be in danger of having their asses kicked on the sidewalk for being strange, people ought to leave them alone.  My issue is that this particular one got extremely rapey with three separate women and is appearing to just coast with little to no repercussion involved.  One publisher disowning him and he deleting his twitter account is hardly befitting the crimes.

FtM trans people are much less likely to engage in sexual assault than a typical man, while mtf trans people are much more likely to commit assault than a typical woman. Funny how that works, huh?

Also, the number of FtM have gone up significantly in the English speaking world at least, mainly due to "sudden onset gender dysphoria", which is a strange medical condition affecting mostly teenage biological females who never showed the slightest proclivity toward gender dysphoria until they got on places like tumblr and tiktok and saw a bunch of teenage FtM saying how cool and amazing it is and how it solves all the awkward problems of being a teenage girl. Entire groups of teenage girl friends go from not being the slightest bit dysphoric to all demanding they get their breasts removed. It's almost like it's become a fad or a fashion, but of course that can't possibly be true because it's a thought crime against diversity to even suggest such a thing, even if refusing to acknowledge reality in this case makes a complete mockery of actual gender dysphoria and will probably result in tens of thousands of future lawsuits and ruined lives because suddenly responsible adults (parents, teachers and doctors) all fell prey to ideological fashion and did nothing or even encouraged teenage girls who weren't actually transgendered at all to do something irreversible to their lives and bodies.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 22, 2022, 04:26:23 AM
FtM trans people are much less likely to engage in sexual assault than a typical man, while mtf trans people are much more likely to commit assault than a typical woman. Funny how that works, huh?

Also, the number of FtM have gone up significantly in the English speaking world at least, mainly due to "sudden onset gender dysphoria", which is a strange medical condition affecting mostly teenage biological females who never showed the slightest proclivity toward gender dysphoria until they got on places like tumblr and tiktok and saw a bunch of teenage FtM saying how cool and amazing it is and how it solves all the awkward problems of being a teenage girl. Entire groups of teenage girl friends go from not being the slightest bit dysphoric to all demanding they get their breasts removed. It's almost like it's become a fad or a fashion, but of course that can't possibly be true because it's a thought crime against diversity to even suggest such a thing, even if refusing to acknowledge reality in this case makes a complete mockery of actual gender dysphoria and will probably result in tens of thousands of future lawsuits and ruined lives because suddenly responsible adults (parents, teachers and doctors) all fell prey to ideological fashion and did nothing or even encouraged teenage girls who weren't actually transgendered at all to do something irreversible to their lives and bodies.

This is getting very much off topic, but if you'd be willing to share your sources for the above over in your own part of the forum, I would be interested in seeing them.

In the past, fads and fashions involved bad taste in music and clothes and maybe RPGs. In time, most moved on to less embarrassing choices.

The current fad for chopping body parts off for internet points isn't quite so easy to reverse. I think the next 5-10 years - maybe less - will see some serious regrets at irreversible surgery. 

Quote from: Mistwell on August 20, 2022, 01:04:22 PM

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on August 20, 2022, 10:34:34 AM
So the same event where a game about thirsty lesbians ran off with Product of the Year, an actual thirsty lesbian ran around committing sexual assault. I don't think #GenCon could have come up with a worse look if they tried.

She could have used a sword?

Maybe she was doing Thirsty Sword-Lesbian LARP?