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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #105 on: August 14, 2022, 11:44:52 AM »

Or you can do a quick cost/benefit analysis and then just choose not to go. That is the route that I have chosen. GenCon has demonstrated that they do not like my kind (and will not provide a worthwhile environment for the price), so I feel no need to give them money.

In my case I have only been able to 'afford' it the last 4 or 5 times I went because a friend lets me stay in her room. There are also 3 or 4 other friends of hers sharing the room(s) - but I've grown to trust them. The small irony is that she and I first met when we were both in costume way back in 2000, and for three years we had no idea what each other looked like as a 'Human'.

If I didn't have that option of an almost free room space and roommates I trust - then I would not go.

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The lady who was sexually assaulted stayed in that room for free too. That was was how she got sexually assaulted by a trans, because the GenCon official in charge of room assignments placed her there thinking it was safe because male-to-female trans = female ib fucked up woke math.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #106 on: August 14, 2022, 11:52:53 AM »
Does the incident or event impact or affect the average gamer at Gen Con ?
At Gen con next year?

Or does it impact any average gamer anywhere?

- Ed C.

Since this has happened at GenCon and they are responsible for the room assignment that led to this, I'd say that this is unique to GenCon.

Will it matter next year? Well in previous years we have seen a popular podcaster get assaulted (which GenCon did nothing about) and GenCon itself has declared that the non-woke are not welcome there. So I'm secure in calling this a pattern of behavior for the convention.

"Or does it impact any average gamer anywhere?" is an obfuscation of the incident at hand. Do we have to worry about every gamer in the world? Do we just have to worry about the average ones? Is sexual assault OK for you as long as it is just at GenCon?

Your argument is one that the woke use. How about we just declare that sexual assault is wrong and that it is bad no matter how you look at it.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #107 on: August 14, 2022, 12:51:18 PM »

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...


Well hang on now, because it's not clear to me either, which is the real situation. There's two very different scenarios.
Its clear that the two people involved already knew each other, had worked together before, were both invited in some way to be there by GENCON and were both put in the same hotel room.
But which of the two is the case:
1) GENCON required that volunteers or whatever share hotel rooms, and these two people who already knew each other both CHOSE to share a room together?

or

2) GENCON requires that volunteers share hotel rooms, and these two people were ASSIGNED to share a room together, and both just happened to know each other?


Because in fact those are two very different scenarios as per GENCON's policy/responsibility.

Both scenarios have the same end result because they knew eachother anyhow. And would have had potentially the same end result had they not.
I am guessing the room sharing is to both cut costs and not use up attendee rooms.

Sounds like they opted to share the room based on knowing eachother. Thats fairly common for con goers too.

Big question is. Did she know this person had mental problems?

Way back in 2001 our transport to a con had a panic attack in the middle of the night, flipped out and was hellbent on getting to the con like NOW! I went along to keep an eye on him and whoooo-eeee that as one mad ride in the pitch black at breakneck speeds. Luckily he got lost. Calmed down and I got him to turn around ad head back to where had left the others. I think at one point we were doing close to 100mph and were lucky we didn't hit anything, wrap around a tree, or get pulled over by a cop.

Seeing someone just fail their sanity check and having to deal with it can be a pretty harrowing thing.

I feel sorry for both of them, if the guy/gal who flipped out was suffering from some mental disorder. And sounds like they do.

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #108 on: August 14, 2022, 04:20:44 PM »

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...


Well hang on now, because it's not clear to me either, which is the real situation. There's two very different scenarios.
Its clear that the two people involved already knew each other, had worked together before, were both invited in some way to be there by GENCON and were both put in the same hotel room.
But which of the two is the case:
1) GENCON required that volunteers or whatever share hotel rooms, and these two people who already knew each other both CHOSE to share a room together?

or

2) GENCON requires that volunteers share hotel rooms, and these two people were ASSIGNED to share a room together, and both just happened to know each other?


Because in fact those are two very different scenarios as per GENCON's policy/responsibility.

From what I understood the rooms were assigned by GenCon. If they REQUIRE the room sharing is beyond what I know and what was shared about this issue.

I don't KNOW which one of those is true, have you read the link? Can you elucidate from that what case it was?

No, I honestly don't know either. It's not very clear from the victim's account, whether they were just told by Gencon "you're sharing a room with this person" who they happened to have some previous acquaintance with, or if they volunteered/agreed to share the room with that person in some way.

Right, and my commentary was me being sarcastic towards hoshicommie.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #109 on: August 14, 2022, 08:09:21 PM »
Right, and my commentary was me being sarcastic towards hoshicommie.

Oh, I wasn't sure about my views before, but now I know better. I have never before bested by such masterful technique. How could I have been so foolish?

In all seriousness, you're making fun of me by saying something I've been saying all along myself.

Two adults consented to a situation that they knew about in advance, she made it clear in her story that she knew about the roommate situation in advance. I would have thought that folks would be in favor of adults being permitted to do what the hell they want.

No one has argued that the attacker should face consequences, no one has argued about the victim being a victim.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2022, 08:12:53 PM by hoshisabi »

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #110 on: August 15, 2022, 03:27:50 PM »

Or you can do a quick cost/benefit analysis and then just choose not to go. That is the route that I have chosen. GenCon has demonstrated that they do not like my kind (and will not provide a worthwhile environment for the price), so I feel no need to give them money.

In my case I have only been able to 'afford' it the last 4 or 5 times I went because a friend lets me stay in her room. There are also 3 or 4 other friends of hers sharing the room(s) - but I've grown to trust them. The small irony is that she and I first met when we were both in costume way back in 2000, and for three years we had no idea what each other looked like as a 'Human'.

If I didn't have that option of an almost free room space and roommates I trust - then I would not go.

- Ed C.

The lady who was sexually assaulted stayed in that room for free too. That was was how she got sexually assaulted by a trans, because the GenCon official in charge of room assignments placed her there thinking it was safe because male-to-female trans = female ib fucked up woke math.

I've stayed in a room for free from GenCon, though this was many years ago. If it's still like they did it back then, GenCon doesn't really "assign" you to much of anything. They just give you the information on how to make the reservations on their account and the hotel(s) information, and then you make the arrangements. Based on what this person said, it sounds like her and the trans woman she stayed with, who had been working together for years, made the arrangements together to stay in that room together, on GenCon's account.

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #111 on: August 15, 2022, 05:43:44 PM »
Right, and my commentary was me being sarcastic towards hoshicommie.

Oh, I wasn't sure about my views before, but now I know better. I have never before bested by such masterful technique. How could I have been so foolish?

In all seriousness, you're making fun of me by saying something I've been saying all along myself.

Two adults consented to a situation that they knew about in advance, she made it clear in her story that she knew about the roommate situation in advance. I would have thought that folks would be in favor of adults being permitted to do what the hell they want.

No one has argued that the attacker should face consequences, no one has argued about the victim being a victim.

Folks are in favor of CONSENTING adults doing whatever among themselves. Key word CONSENTING. Lets say she knew or maybe even did the arrangements to share the room with the guy. That doesn't mean she consented to him trying to rape her.

Bolded part: WHAT THE FUCK are you smoking!?
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #112 on: August 15, 2022, 08:57:40 PM »
Folks are in favor of CONSENTING adults doing whatever among themselves. Key word CONSENTING. Lets say she knew or maybe even did the arrangements to share the room with the guy. That doesn't mean she consented to him trying to rape her.

Bolded part: WHAT THE FUCK are you smoking!?

Can I just say you're doing it again.

You're restating my argument for me, and then pretending that it's not what I said.

Two adults consented to a situation, one of them did something that was wrong, that one should face consequences.

Who says Daisy shouldn't face consequences? I didn't.

"What the fuck am I smoking?"

Either you are intentionally not reading my posts or you're intentionally misreading them, since you just keep restating my points. In either case, you do it again, I'll know for sure you have no intent to argue points in good faith, so I won't need to worry about the actual words of your posts.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2022, 11:41:26 PM »
Folks are in favor of CONSENTING adults doing whatever among themselves. Key word CONSENTING. Lets say she knew or maybe even did the arrangements to share the room with the guy. That doesn't mean she consented to him trying to rape her.

Bolded part: WHAT THE FUCK are you smoking!?

Can I just say you're doing it again.

You're restating my argument for me, and then pretending that it's not what I said.

Two adults consented to a situation, one of them did something that was wrong, that one should face consequences.

Who says Daisy shouldn't face consequences? I didn't.

"What the fuck am I smoking?"

Either you are intentionally not reading my posts or you're intentionally misreading them, since you just keep restating my points. In either case, you do it again, I'll know for sure you have no intent to argue points in good faith, so I won't need to worry about the actual words of your posts.
Geeky takes things VERY literally much of the time.

I think your last sentence meant to say "nobody is arguing the attacker should NOT face consequences..." because I initially read it that way and then went back and realized it was written without the "not."

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2022, 11:55:11 PM »
Geeky takes things VERY literally much of the time.

I think your last sentence meant to say "nobody is arguing the attacker should NOT face consequences..." because I initially read it that way and then went back and realized it was written without the "not."

Ah, see, I thought it was clear, but apparently I missed the colon or comma I meant to have. It does make it mean what I didn't mean, I was intending something like: "No one is arguing: the attacker should face consequences, the victim is a victim."

Regardless, like I had said, it's pretty clear in all my past messages that I've consistently said that. Heck, I took time to add the disclaimer in some of the posts where I thought it was already clear. Just to be that extra explicit.

So I think it's less that he's "too literal" and more that he's "more interested in making a joke than making a point."  I mean, like I said, I was stunned by the brilliant turn of phrase "hoshiscommie."

I try to avoid painting folks all with the same brush, I recognize the struggle, sometimes it's hard, especially in a forum where you can't see the faces to differentiate folks.

I know from past experience, there will be people who get what I am saying, even if they don't agree, they at least recognize a point. I argue for those folks, y'know?

I often get asked here "Why do you come here where people hate you?"  Because I don't think that everyone hates me. Hell, I am that geeky kid in school that got picked on constantly, I'm used to it. I bet a lot of the rest of you were the same. So, I can operate just fine with a bunch of people mocking me, I figure one or two of you might get my point.

But as an aside, for the folks that are intentionally misrepresenting my arguments just to score internet points that no one keeps track of: I hereby grant you an infinite amount of those points. You win, ok?
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #115 on: August 16, 2022, 01:14:42 AM »
Lets see if it's me "being TOO literall" or maybe you don't know how to English, or maybe there's another correct grammar and redaction rules in English I'm not aware off (what with it not being my mother tongue and all).


No one has argued that the attacker should face consequences, no one has argued about the victim being a victim.

Bolding mine. How can you, with a straight face, pretend this can ever mean what you write below (and that I will put in bold)?

Geeky takes things VERY literally much of the time.

I think your last sentence meant to say "nobody is arguing the attacker should NOT face consequences..." because I initially read it that way and then went back and realized it was written without the "not."

Ah, see, I thought it was clear, but apparently I missed the colon or comma I meant to have. It does make it mean what I didn't mean, I was intending something like: "No one is arguing: the attacker should face consequences, the victim is a victim."



No, you didn't miss a colon or a comma, you "missed" words. Let me put it below how you would have wrote it IF you meant to say what you now claim you meant.

No one has argued that the attacker should NOT face consequences, no one has argued about the victim NOT being a victim.

Italics and underscore to make it even more visible.

Now, IF you meant to put the NOT both times all fine and dandy, you just need to recognize that your comment BEFORE HappyDaze intervention is flawed and that you done fucked up.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #116 on: August 16, 2022, 01:31:02 AM »
Lets see if it's me "being TOO literall" or maybe you don't know how to English, or maybe there's another correct grammar and redaction rules in English I'm not aware off (what with it not being my mother tongue and all).


No one has argued that the attacker should face consequences, no one has argued about the victim being a victim.

Bolding mine. How can you, with a straight face, pretend this can ever mean what you write below (and that I will put in bold)?

Geeky takes things VERY literally much of the time.

I think your last sentence meant to say "nobody is arguing the attacker should NOT face consequences..." because I initially read it that way and then went back and realized it was written without the "not."

Ah, see, I thought it was clear, but apparently I missed the colon or comma I meant to have. It does make it mean what I didn't mean, I was intending something like: "No one is arguing: the attacker should face consequences, the victim is a victim."



No, you didn't miss a colon or a comma, you "missed" words. Let me put it below how you would have wrote it IF you meant to say what you now claim you meant.

No one has argued that the attacker should NOT face consequences, no one has argued about the victim NOT being a victim.

Italics and underscore to make it even more visible.

Now, IF you meant to put the NOT both times all fine and dandy, you just need to recognize that your comment BEFORE HappyDaze intervention is flawed and that you done fucked up.

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2022, 01:44:42 AM »

Greetings!

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Excellente Ingles, Hermano!

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It's maddening, how he wrote it it means no one is saying the would be rapist should be punished and that the victim isn't such.

But he claims he's saying the exact opposite.

Insert "English Motherfucker" meme gif.

And I agree, no one has said the would be rapist isn't such, hoshishabi has only equated what the dude did to putting your arm on a woman's shoulder, in public, with several other people around, and then offering a cigarrete.

He also has said the would be rapist is a woman, because in his woke koolaid addled mind women can have a penis.
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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2022, 08:41:04 AM »
It's maddening, how he wrote it it means no one is saying the would be rapist should be punished and that the victim isn't such.

But he claims he's saying the exact opposite.

Insert "English Motherfucker" meme gif.

And I agree, no one has said the would be rapist isn't such, hoshishabi has only equated what the dude did to putting your arm on a woman's shoulder, in public, with several other people around, and then offering a cigarrete.

He also has said the would be rapist is a woman, because in his woke koolaid addled mind women can have a penis.

I've written more than one post, in every single one of them I've talked about how Daisy should face consequences.

You read them and replied to them, so you know that.

The sentence where I missed punctuation doesn't make sense being interpreted the way that you did, because the final clause doesn't agree with the first clause.

I assume you're not incapable of understanding such a thing, given that others had no difficulty.

So at this point I assume you're just being a troll.

So, I suspect you care less about your own point than making a joke that isn't particularly funny.

Do you care so little for your own viewpoint that you'll disregard your real logic, to just say "SEE!  I said that's what he meant" despite me telling you in explicit detail in EVERY OTHER POST, even the ones that come after, that your interpretation isn't my actual viewpoint, that you'll just do a little victory lap?

Like I said: you win the internet points you're looking for.  In the meantime, I'll reply to you the way I've replied to others. 

Since you don't care enough about your words to take them seriously, I'll accept your judgement and stop caring about them too.

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Re: GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?
« Reply #119 on: August 16, 2022, 10:39:31 AM »
It's maddening, how he wrote it it means no one is saying the would be rapist should be punished and that the victim isn't such.

But he claims he's saying the exact opposite.

Insert "English Motherfucker" meme gif.

And I agree, no one has said the would be rapist isn't such, hoshishabi has only equated what the dude did to putting your arm on a woman's shoulder, in public, with several other people around, and then offering a cigarrete.

He also has said the would be rapist is a woman, because in his woke koolaid addled mind women can have a penis.

I've written more than one post, in every single one of them I've talked about how Daisy should face consequences.

You read them and replied to them, so you know that.

The sentence where I missed punctuation doesn't make sense being interpreted the way that you did, because the final clause doesn't agree with the first clause.

I assume you're not incapable of understanding such a thing, given that others had no difficulty.

So at this point I assume you're just being a troll.

So, I suspect you care less about your own point than making a joke that isn't particularly funny.

Do you care so little for your own viewpoint that you'll disregard your real logic, to just say "SEE!  I said that's what he meant" despite me telling you in explicit detail in EVERY OTHER POST, even the ones that come after, that your interpretation isn't my actual viewpoint, that you'll just do a little victory lap?

Like I said: you win the internet points you're looking for.  In the meantime, I'll reply to you the way I've replied to others. 

Since you don't care enough about your words to take them seriously, I'll accept your judgement and stop caring about them too.

"No, no I totally wrote it correctly!"

If you can't recognize where you fucked up and it must be someone else's fault I have no interest in talking to you hoshiecommie.

After all you're desperate to deny the would be rapist is a man.
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